Why would anyone go MGTOW? It seems like a safe haven for whiners who think that all women are feminists

Why would anyone go MGTOW? It seems like a safe haven for whiners who think that all women are feminists.

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The system is setup against men

Nah. It's just people who think that the risk of marrying outweighs what it's worth. Or have never had a strong desire to get in a relationship, and are completely satisfied with friendships.

It's not unthinkable, it's just misrepresented, I think. Y'know, the loudest are always the ones you hear and often the most obnoxious.

>"All women are feminists"
Nah that's just you. I've just only dated bad women who try to baby trap. They just seemed perfectly good at first

you can only date so many harpies and be an incel for so many years before you realize the entire dynamic isn't worth it

>It's just people who think that the risk of marrying outweighs what it's worth. Or have never had a strong desire to get in a relationship, and are completely satisfied with friendships.
That's fair by comparison to what you normally see out there.

>Angry MGTOW here. I am a giant faggot here to tell you why all women are evil bitches.

Some of them are, but this kind of shit is silly. Just do your own thing, you know?

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Clearly you don't have any successful friends. My friends who are the best looking and most financially successful are mgtow. They get laid whenever they want and see housing a woman as an unnecessary burden.
I wish I could do it. I'm currently kind of doing it, but I get attached easily when I fuck women. Idk what is wrong with my brain.

>Idk what is wrong with my brain.
You're a normie like most of us?

Fuck you bro,I'm not a normie! :( I tried to break it off with the last girl I fucked, but she convinced me otherwise and somehow I'm still talking to her every day... I know she's not right for me, but how do I make my dick stop making decisions for me?!

I'm pretty wild and unusual in all other respects. My goal is to keep her as a back up girl if I don't meet someone better, but ya I'm terrible at avoiding catching feelings.

If they're not feminists they're crazy.

Usually both.

Ever been married?

Women are awful. Been married 7 years. Worst time of my life. Destroyed me as a person, ruined my career, left me lonely and a drunk. AMA fags.

We've had our time, we built all this shit, sadly it's coming to an end.

It's sad because if women were actually capable they would already be hired, they're just fucked over by their own hormones and have to make life choices in a different way than men because of biology so...

Men have made everything around us, from the schematics to the testing to laying brick by brick, to the particle accelerators and all the theories that led to it.

Migtow = closet homosexual very sad

I know a couple of guys who are absolutely dead set against marriage or even cohabitation, just live in their own apartments, work and do hobbies and fuck bitches without commitment as and when, neither of them have even heard of MGTOW.

Those who espouse MGTOW are often kissless virgins, but many live the life without even being aware MGTOW exists.

Gonna be a lot of lonely, unhappy, suicidal cat ladies in the decades ahead.

And? Manage the crazy, bro!

Your marriage was bad. Therefore, all marriages are bad?

Nah man. You don't know shit.

Is she fucking tyrone in your house while your children are being traumatized by the screams in the middle of the night?

>Those who espouse MGTOW are often kissless virgins, but many live the life without even being aware MGTOW exists.
That's where the issue lies. If you think that being a playboy is right for you, then that's okay.

It gets really pretentious on Youtube and Reddit.

>If you think that being a playboy is right for you, then that's okay.

If the alternative is having to put up with some hormonal cunt as their emotional hostage exchanging money and security for sex and praying to god she doesn't fuck you over for 50% + Cash & Prizes + Alimony (lifetime in some states) + Child Support then as a reasonable lifestyle "being a playboy" (as you childishly view it) is a relatively risk free way of life.

>she doesn't fuck you over for 50% + Cash & Prizes + Alimony (lifetime in some states) + Child Support then as a reasonable lifestyle "being a playboy" (as you childishly view it) is a relatively risk free way of life.
That 50% number is skewed by second marriages. If you have a college degree and a middle class lifestyle, your odds of divorce in the first marriage are under 25%.

Source? Up your ass? Yes we know you're full of shit. Married cunt.

>That 50% number is skewed by second marriages. If you have a college degree and a middle class lifestyle, your odds of divorce in the first marriage are under 25%.

I'm sorry, but I've seen the stats and for 1st marriages it is 50% rising to 70% for third+ marriages.

You are talking bullshit about something which is essentially an existential risk for most men, not sure why you are being a shill.

psychologytoday.com/blog/the-intelligent-divorce/201202/the-high-failure-rate-second-and-third-marriages

"Conventional wisdom tells us that those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it, so why are second and third marriage so much more likely to fail? South African writer (link is external), potter, translator, teacher, and divorcee based in Israel Leo Averbach returns to explain.

Past statistics have shown that in the U.S. 50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second, and 73% of third marriages end in divorce (link is external). What are the reasons for this progressive increase in divorce rates? Theories abound. One common explanation is that a significant number of people enter a second or marriage 'on the rebound' of a first or second divorce. Often the people concerned are vulnerable; they do not allow sufficient time to recover from their divorce or to get their priorities straight before taking their vows again. They enter their next marriage for the wrong reasons, not having internalized the lessons of their past experience. They are liable to repeat their mistakes, making them susceptible to similar conflicts and another broken marriage follows."

bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/article/marriage-and-divorce-patterns-by-gender-race-and-educational-attainment.htm
I got the 25% stat wrong. Under the qualifications that I mentioned, it's about 29-30%.

That's still pretty decent chances.

Play Russian roulette. You have "pretty good chances" of survival. Dipshit.

>Play Russian roulette. You have "pretty good chances" of survival. Dipshit.
You're not dead if you get divorced, you dope.

If you married me you are. Wise up.

>That's still pretty decent chances.

Still not "'til death do us part" is it fuckhead?

>Still not "'til death do us part" is it fuckhead?
Stay away from feminists and roasties?

a lot of the men who turn to MGTOW feel like they have nothing else to lose. so at the very least it gives them a sense of brotherhood, which is something they tend to lack just as much as romance.

the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

>so at the very least it gives them a sense of brotherhood, which is something they tend to lack just as much as romance.
This is what irritates people. MGTOW isn't about brotherhood. You don't see articles about the glories of being a man or the joy of fixing a car.

>MGTOW isnt about brotherhood

no one said it was. we said it gives people a sense of brotherhood. call it a sense of 'community' if you want, but the point is that by subscribing to something like MGTOW people who are normally absolute loners suddenly dont feel so alone

>You don't see articles about the glories of being a man or the joy of fixing a car.

On my MGTOW site you do, but unfortunately we had to go private (invitation only) after the SJW's attacked The Daily Stormer. The view was that we would receive the same treatment at some point or other because of perceived misogyny.

They're petty and they need somebody else to blame for their inability to function in an adult relationship.

There's the occasional 50 year old dude who has his shit figured out and he preaches MGTOW as a means to enlightenment, self-respect, and not putting up with bullshit from dumb skanks in general, but most of them are just bitch boys who can't accept the fact that their crush would rather get smashed by Chad Strongcock than put up with an emasculated man-baby who would throw a tantrum if she comes home half an hour late.

If Sup Forums is weaponized autism, MGTOW is weaponized male-insecurity.

>On my MGTOW site you do, but unfortunately we had to go private (invitation only) after the SJW's attacked The Daily Stormer.
Why would MGTOWs be concerned about a neo-Nazi website?

>There's the occasional 50 year old dude who has his shit figured out and he preaches MGTOW as a means to enlightenment, self-respect, and not putting up with bullshit from dumb skanks in general
That's what it should be, but it very often isn't.

If you don't want to put up with bullshit from dumb skanks who you want to plow, don't. There's no need for all of this theory bullshit.

All women are not feminists. In fact only very few women identify as feminists these days because of the crazies that have shown it for what it really is.

The issue as I see it is even if you've got a level headed woman she still has all of the rights given to her because of her gender. Meaning she could at any time stop taking her birth control and force you into an 18 year commitment for which you have 2 options, to pay or to stay (and pay).

That's just one example. I don't think it's reason enough to identify as mgtow but its good to be conscious of the fact that you are disposable as a man in today's society.

>Meaning she could at any time stop taking her birth control and force you into an 18 year commitment for which you have 2 options, to pay or to stay (and pay).
Wear rubbers?

If you don't trust the woman, why are you with her?

>>Meaning she could at any time stop taking her birth control and force you into an 18 year commitment for which you have 2 options, to pay or to stay (and pay)

This oh so much. This is the reason why I had a vasectomy, so that when the cunts say "Fuck me bareback, don't worry, I'm on the pill" and you know she just wants you to knock her up so that she can "Ooops" you and fuck your shit up, you still have options.

The shittiest ones are the single moms, but for me they are the most rewarding.

The look on their faces when they have been rawdogging you regularly for two months (while claiming to be on the pill) and still can't understand why they aren't pregnant is awesome, especially since neither party can say anything...

Worth 10,000 hugs from 10,000 lightning bugs.
I must admit that the easiest lays are single moms . They are so desperate to pull an "Oopps" and snag some guy who has his own place and a decent job they will fuck you bareback with the old "Don't worry user, I'm on the pill / coil / some other shit".

Fortunately, I've had a vasectomy overseas (Cheers Malaysia), which nobody knows about, so I can fuck them to my hearts content as long as they are clean.

About 2-months in they start getting that quizzical look wondering why they're not pregnant, but she can't say anything because that would reveal her hand.

It starts to go pear shaped after a while and they start going fucking crazy over why they can't trap you with a womb turd, which is when it is time to move on.

I keep one or two in floating as potentials through Tinder / POF so that as soon as one burns out I can vine-swing to the next.

It's not perfect, but I get continual guilt-free sex, so I'm happy.

>This is the reason why I had a vasectomy, so that when the cunts say "Fuck me bareback, don't worry, I'm on the pill" and you know she just wants you to knock her up so that she can "Ooops" you and fuck your shit up, you still have options.
This is where common sense comes into play. Always use condoms unless you're serious or married.

listen man I don't want to sound condescending but rubbers aren't perfect and it would be incredibly easy to poke a hole or take one out of the trash and turn it inside out.

It's not necessarily about trust. It happens all the time. Woman wants child, man doesn't or is on the fence. Woman forces the issue knowing it's impossible to determine they did it on purpose, they have every right to say "Oops." But then you as a man say you don't want it and youre a piece of shit and should be made to take responsibility for "your actions."

Women aren't logical, live with and you'll start seeing small inconsistencies and eventually you'll realize emotion plays a huge role in their life and decisions.

>listen man I don't want to sound condescending but rubbers aren't perfect and it would be incredibly easy to poke a hole or take one out of the trash and turn it inside out.

There have been cases in the US where men have been trapped in exactly this fashion, by women taking condoms and pouring the sperm into their cunts and 9-months later out pops an 18-year annuity.

Courts don't give a fuck about such fraud. "Pay up user, the only thing that matters is the child" (which is why the money extorted by the female goes on shoes and clubbing with Chad)

Fuck that noise.

>There have been cases in the US where men have been trapped in exactly this fashion, by women taking condoms and pouring the sperm into their cunts and 9-months later out pops an 18-year annuity.
Source?

I'm pretty sure that 1 or 2 cases does not an argument make.

>Source?

Google "Sperm Jacking" you fucking mutt.

Spermjacking is a well known way of getting an "Oopsie" if he won't fuck her without a condom (which a lot of guys won't), although sabotaging his condoms happens more frequently, apparently.

All of this remains under cover because no cunt is going to say "actually I sperm jacked you" when she pulls an Oopsie. Mostly they just want to track some guy into marriage and it is as easy as fuck to get away with.

>Source?

Literally first off the Google pile.

lasisblog.com/2011/02/26/man-receives-oral-sex-ordered-to-pay-child-support/

>lasisblog.com/2011/02/26/man-receives-oral-sex-ordered-to-pay-child-support/
One case. That's it?

We have reached the point where we HAVE to defend men's rights. We can be accused of rape without any evidence and still get in trouble. I don't oppose relationships as a whole, but the legal system, expecially everything related to marriage, needs to be fixed really bad.

That's not really MGTOW. I've got nothing against MRAs, though.

Some of MGTOW have nothing against short-term affairs.

>I don't oppose relationships as a whole, but the legal system, expecially everything related to marriage, needs to be fixed really bad.

While cunts are >50% of the electorate, nothing significant is going to change.

All I can say is, I've traveled the world and met hundreds of women, but the most batshit insane ones were all from America, Canada too. Not surprised MGTOW is a top thing here.

>Some of MGTOW have nothing against short-term affairs.

Even as MGTOW, you have to find the balance of risk / reward that suits you (Men Going Their Own Way remember?), some believe that only marriage should be excluded, others believe that marriage and long term relationships are bad whereas some exclude all female interaction that cannot be avoided.

Horses for courses.

There are probably just as many bad societal expectations placed upon men as women, but modern political and social forces and marginalized men who do have problems. It's not surprising most are pushed toward extremist views. Making fun of these people who might have honest social or mental issues won't solve anything either, and will just further radicalize more men.

I can see it making sense if you actually feel like that's what you want in your life. Which I could never fault, do whatever you want.
Most guys into shit like this though are blatantly just annoying virgins who latched into it because it lets them pretend they don't get women because they don't want to. As opposed to the truth, that they can't anyways.

i was married 17 years. after divorce, once I overcame my hormones and my social programming and just did the plain math, marriage is a shitty deal in the current western world. I can get laid whenever I want but getting married just makes considerably less sense to me at this point. as for name-calling like incel and feminist, thats just a way to try and prevent people from using their best thinking skills. marriage might work for some. and more power to them. but its just not a sound risk for me.

Marriage only works when both people are piss fucking poor. Otherwise it's just a battle over wealth.

If you try to talk to people about it, sometimes I would start an argument defend it just to see if someone would come up with any good points. Typically people just scream "you're a virgin loser". They really can't refute any of the arguments MGTOW makes.

I don't know how I feel about the existence of a social movement like MGTOW. On the one hand, I too eschew relationships with women entirely, primarily because I'm just not comfortable with any sort of emotional intimacy whatsoever and think marriage is utterly pointless. On the other hand though, I don't want to be associated with some stupid club. I can't tell anyone that I avoid relatioships now, because they'll immediately think I'm "MGTOW" and that I harbor misogynist sentiment. In fact, my hatred of women is far more extreme than anything preached by people on MGTOW forums, but I don't want people to know that.

>Marriage only works when both people are piss fucking poor.

Nope, cos even the broke get sent to jail in Merka if they don't pay child support, regardless of their actual ability to pay (unemployment, old age, disability, etc.)

In the era of no fault divorce, where >70% are initiated by the woman, marriage is as dead as the dodo.

The feminazis win!
The majority of women who want a loving relationship and a family, lose.
The men?
Won’t give a fuck.
Zero Population Growth: achieved.
Reverse population growth: achieved
And the men won’t give a fuck

haha!
Find people willing to scam you, pretend to fall for it. They can't tell you they were trying to scam you, so they move on, allowing you to have the free sex.
Beautiful.

It's Schadenbonerific!

Bondage pics that look like authentic photos taken by a serial rapist of his victims. That means no smiling girls, no porn star leering, no stupid costumes, and no overly elaborate S&M shit. Just terrified looking girls simply but effectively bound with rope, duct tape, handcuffs, etc, possibly gagged and blindfolded. Don't fuck this up.