Too early to talk about Star Wars?

Too early to talk about Star Wars?
Also am I the only one who wasent a huge fan?

Star wars sucks period.

It was okay. Had some amazingly awesome moments but also lots of cringe and worthless scenes.

I really enjoyed The Force Awakens because it introduced new characters that were well-thought out and the viewer cared about. This movie reverses all of that progress by introducing new, forgettable, paper-thin characters you could not care less about, and takes interesting characters from the last movie and makes them look like total geeks (especially Finn and Poe). For a movie to be good, you need to care about the characters. Instead of fleshing out more character backstory and behavior, we get a nonsensical, contrived plot where characters we don't know or care about are introduced and wiped out - and nobody cared.

But it's not the thin characters that really kill this movie - a good plot could have saved it - but instead, the plot for this movie is totally contrived and nonsensical. it's really, really bad . Like, worse than Episode I bad.

There is some good in the movie. The connection between Rey and Kylo Ren is intriguing. The visuals are cool. Carrie Fisher's stuff was pretty good. Mark Hamill acted some of the time and I guess the stuff about the Force on that island is okay.

But literally everything else is awful. Poe is a total idiot and a geek. Finn is useless despite the script concocting some stupid sidequest just to have him do something, except he's inept without his new mechanic friend, whose name i cannot recall and I doubt anyone else could, either.

Rey is the only character that survive this movie's axe of stupidity, just because Daisy Ridley is super-cool and Rey kicks ass (but somehow is a master of the force with next to zero training)

Laura Dern and Benecio Del Toro are in the movie for no reason.

The movie literally makes no sense .

All the criticism you read is true. See the movie once to see it, but this will go down as - by far - the worst Star Wars movie ever made, and it's not even close - and that says a lot considering how brutal the prequels were.

Yeah the whole casino planet was kinda pointless

Did they make another one??

But who the fuck was snoke? Why make a character with so much force power than Palpatine or Vader couldn't sense through the dark side of the force??

I liked Kylo

I'm not bothered by a sith killing his master it's almost expected but Luke's death was so much bullshit

also it's bull that everyone exploded on the ship except the main characters

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are you retarded OP?
>am I the only one who wasnt a huge fan?
do you even u know how to internet faggot?

This is the exact side plot that came to mind. They go on a mission to find something to save something. They find something and then fail to save something.

The character development in those scenes does not justify the amount of the movie it took up. I personally didn't care much for either character until Finn was ready to give his life to independence day that cannon but then retarded rose takes that away.

Nothing as horribly forced as in episode 1-3, but just not very relevant.

Different issue I had was how they again copied large sections of a previous film, this time 5. Rebels escaping a planet (hoth), and then the empire hunting what remains down in space (asteroid/cloud city). Pretty dissapointing they couldn't go further than that.

Like every retarded popular thing, people, en masse, will love it cause it simply has the name. It could be a 2hr film of snoke jacking off and it'll break record cause of star wars being in the name. Had to hold back snapping off on a friend cause he mindlessly defends this dogshit series.

Thought it was damn good. My audience got into it so that might have colored my perception.

It sucked. The forced diversity was painful and the only white men were the bad guys and dumpy Skywalker.

>Benecio Del Toro are in the movie for no reason
What a wasted roll he had. His performance was clearly one of the better acting jobs in the film but they waste it by making him generic mercenery/backstabber. I think they missed big on not putting him in a useful roll.

He is (was) a snappy dresser for an evil monster thing.

uhmmm maybe because Kylo Ren is the ultimate form? he is the best and is a better baddie than snoke, he's done taking orders from him and is ready to start his reign. Also, if you paid attention he could sense Kylo turning the lightsaber on, but it was the wrong lightsaber. You don't know how clearly they can see using the force. It's a sense, not future sight.

It was bad.

>30% of movie is a side quest that has literally no impact on the rest of the film.

>Droid singlehandedly carries the SJW duo through their sidequest.

>Plot 404

>Compelling villains 404

>Empire is now ruled by a whiney teenager and some random white guy.

>Asian chick literally kills herself to stop Finn from being useful for the first time in the film.

wtf was this trash

It's like when everyone thought the nigger was gonna be the lead and they were talking about boycotting.

They could have made the main character a jar of horse semen with a troll face drawn on it and the movie would make 2 billion domestic.

>he's done taking orders
I was getting excited with Luke saying the jedi were fucking stupid and there should be a better way. Then Ben Solo effectivelly saying the same thing about the Sith, the republic, the first order, the rebels. It seemed we may get something new and exciting.

Nope falls back to villain vs good guys part eleventybillion.

>30% of movie is a side quest that has literally no impact on the rest of the film.

Wrong it does have an impact. If they didn't do that side quest. The guy wouldn't have dicked them over when they got caught.

The impact is ruining the escape plan, and getting a bunch of their friends killed.

Yeah I was hoping for a empire iron hand mixed with republic justice system

cry to your mom kid. go try to write a better movie. pro tip: you can't.

whiney bitch needs his mom to make him grilled cheese sandwiches.

Was is absolutely amazing? no. It was better than decent, it was good.

I was entertained with Mark Hammil playing himself. He wasn't really acting like Luke so much as Mark Hammil. Didn't really fit the style of the movie, but he is fun with his not giving any fucks general attitude.

Sounds like more C-SPAN in space like the first movie. zzzz

Luke DIES???

The Finn stuff bothered me the most. Former storm trooper realizes killing innocent people is bad, and helps good guy Poe escape. Then he decides he's not into this shit anymore, but his friendship with Rey makes him stick around and help the rebellion after all . Great arc, good character, and pretty well acted.

This movie Finn is utterly useless, you learn nothing new about him. All we know is he is inept unless his new mechanic chick friend is around to point him in the direction of whatever pinata he's supposed to hit.

Finally at the end Finn does something cool by being ready to kamakaze the big ram thing, but that gets nerfed by stupid mechanic girl nobody cares about and whose name nobody remembers.

really, really bad movie

>>Asian chick literally kills herself to stop Finn from being useful for the first time in the film.
I was pissed when that happened. I didn't care at all about Finn until I saw him decide to give himself to save the others. Then even that gets taken away.

Plebbit spacing
Shiggy diggy

Are you pretending to be like a grown up right now with that argument?

pro tip? How fucking gay are you?

No, it really really wasnt. It was garbage.

The writers wanted to get in some social commentary about how capitalism is evil, and the way they could do it was with that stupid casino scene, which led to them bringing up the fact that everyone rich enough to be there was an arms dealer, and arms dealers are the ones selling weapons and crafts to both sides

doesn't even get to fight, the coward died hiding like a coward

I wrote a better movie than this already. It's about a dude who changes his relationship status on facebook to 'engaged' just to see what girls come out of the woodwork to express their dismay they never got together.

that shit is literally better than this shallow dribble.

Weak. It's weak and unnecessary. Finn's character was USELESS in the film. He had such a big role in VII, and in VIII they totally took it away. He was neglected almost completely. That side story was utter shit.
AND to add insult to injury they fucking kill Admiral Ackbar for like NO reason. If they had to kill him, why not make him the guy who stays behind and goes Hyperspace right into the Star Destroyer? At least he would have died like a boss. Instead they make a passing mention for like 5 seconds, oh yeah, the best Admiral in the rebel fleet just got sucked out into space, but it's all good, Laura fucking Dern had enough time away from anally probing dinosaurs to be the token leader so she can look heroic, even though we just met her and dont really have an emotional connection to her to really care if she sacrifices herself or not. That and many many more bullshit mistakes, dumb decidions, and overall stupidness make The Last Jedi Prequel level bad.

Fuck Ep. VIII, it's fucking trash.

A tenative truce would be an interesting plot. Pretty easy to fall back to full scale war later, but seeing them work together to do something other than be in control would be nice.

Like imagine some force disease (bioweapon or natural) that starts infecting everyone, and hurts force sensitive people even more if exposed. Suddenly there is a larger villain than the two warring factions that they can unite to fight.

It was shameful too. The Empire just vaporized the island that he was on with an Imperial Star Destroyer

I kinda liked that the side quest failed. There's only so many times that the heroes can chase some snowball's chance in hell and miraculously pull it off before tension no longer exists. They reminded you that every dashing smuggler isn't your fairy godmother, every long shot isn't guaranteed. If the side quest worked, I would've been disappointed.

Also, episode 7 was far worse for character development. At least Darth Angst now has some reason to be buttfrustrated

Yeah I loved this. Every single person at the casino is rich and thus evil. How many fucking arms dealers does there really need to be? Cause that place was fucking packed.

Not a single once got rich of developing medical droids? No, all arms dealers. Cause Gook Piggy says so.

>Light Speed suicide

So... You're telling me that the Rebels could just strap light speed engines to a bunch of asteroids and railgun the entire Empire fleet.

i personally figuratively choked to read suddenly that laura dern was in this.

it was an odd treat to see her as the actual "diane", in the... "flesh" in "twin peaks: the return" but all she ever did was scream "FUCK YOU" at everyone and it felt like cheap shit because reject lynch has obviously always had a crush on her ugly white trash ass.

she must special mad dick, yo, to get this job. there must be some slimy corrupt fuck in the industry still... she's a good sign.

do you even engrish?

yeah all the rich people at the casino were arms dealers... i figured at least half had to be slave traders, right? Who gives a shit about arms dealers anyway?

would have been much better had he actually been there to deflect the enemy blasters or survive them and even better if he got killed by kylo. But nooooooo, Disney

i meant "she must SUCK special mad dick, yo".

really though... she's never demonstrated talent in her butterface career...

the fuck?

Gook Piggy reminded me a lot of the fat asian boy from Up, only with a shit-ton of snark

That is a fine enough point, but the scenes took way too much time and should have at least helped the plot in some way. Political and social commentary can be conveyed with a short scene and a few words, not hundreds of millions of dollars and 20 minutes of screen time.

Maybe there are some major deleted scenes that would help it make more sense. I personally thought the editing in the movie was off.

And would have made his defeat by Darth Angst much more impactful.

"Holy shit, that whiney bitch just killed the most powerful Jedi alive in single combat. Maybe he is qualified to be the Supreme Ruler!"

>Also am I the only one

Uuuuggghhhh.

EP VII was trash too

All this so we could have some sister hood of the traveling pants type of bonding between Leia and Dern.

>fucking kill Admiral Ackbar for like NO reason
That was such fucking garbage. At least kill him in an emotional way, not just mentioned matter of factly.

I just saw this........

WHAT THE FUCK DID I WATCH.

Who saw this in the pre screening and said it was good?

I am at a loss of words.

I agree with this

Also, the first joke in the movie really set the tone. The whole "Oh, I can't hear you. Yes, I'll hold" thing, and how the Empire fucking fell for it? It seemed really out of place for Star Wars

You’re a cool dude, user.

Why does Snoke dress like Hugh Hefner?

What's up with those fucking salt speeder things? Why on earth would anyone build something that can somehow sort of fly, but also drags some bullshit through the ground? Because I don't know, apparently flight is easy in the future but working out your height isn't.

This whole scene was just built as a successor to pod racing, which we all know ruined the first movie. It should never have happened.

Truly. That joke felt like it belonged in a Marvel movie, not Star Wars. Fucking awkward way to start the movie.

EP VII was EP IV with diversity

exactly, like him getting seduced and poisoned by what turned out to be a trap. Holy shit I really wanted that to happen

THIS!
And it's continued from the force awakens.
You're introducing the new bad guy to carry three movies and what is his first scene? Being mocked by some nobody. No wonder you can't take Kylo seriously as the bad guy, no one in the story seems too from the get go.

The humour side of Star Wars has never really been great outside Harrison Ford. It was natural and often ad-libbed stuff. Not Lucas or whoever is directing now with a pile of their favorite one liners.

I did enjoy Luke giving zero fucks at the beginning.

>But who the fuck was snoke?

Yeah this ties a lot into what
said.

Snoke really should have had a backstory. I don't care how he died or what he did but the Internet was full of guesswork on where he came from and the answer is "lol dunno".

We're all used to seeing heroes win fights but Poe's x-wing was literally the one thing everyone targetted and somehow he was the only thing to not get blown up.

well, if you think of space as a trap, he got sucked by a trap

I think it's best to think of it like two movies combined, "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" and "Rose and Finn's Outrageous Disney Adventure: A Star Wars Marvel Crossover Experience". If you cut out the latter it's a solid if flawed Star Wars movie.

Dont forget the horse-like racing on rich guy planet. Why not have Sabacc being played at the casino? Seems a good enough way to tie an original trilogy idea with the plot to find some codebreaker.

Can someone give me a rundown/ checklist on what people seriously generally don’t like? I enjoyed the whole movie unironically and liked how unpredictable it was. It loosely fit the Lucas pottery meme while doing its complete own thing.

The only stupid thing I can understand is that hardly anything even changed technically when comparing the beginning of the movie to the end.

Visually, the only different thing here is that Kylo rules the First Order instead of Snoke. Literally everything else is just character details that give you a little more context to the characters, whether it’s good or bad.

But I’m also the kind of person who does every side quest available in video games and explores every corner of the map because I like absorbing useless details.

That and Kylo throws tantrums constantly. The writers are fully aware of this. Snoke says that he's just a boy, and the very next thing he does is smashes his helmet apart in an elevator

Agreed

my probelms with the movies are
>hair dye admaral sucked
>finn and rose sub plot was too long
>No mention of knights of Ren?
>snoke was way too powerfull to die such a shit death
>Way too many underutilized characters
>weapons dealers catering to both sides of the war plot not expanded
otherwise good movie

I dunno, in IV vader is mocked multiple times and clearly not the top of the command chain. He was basically a big asshole that did his job well and annoyed the other leaders.

Master of the force and now apparently a master light-saber user with 0 training again.

I actually would like to see that cut of the movie. Maybe throw a few deleted scenes back in to fill it out.

honestly speaking, luke whipping ray after she felt the force was an awesome spin, I can see someone like joda doing that.

but the rest, i mean, they had to introduce a tiny animal with big eyes imitating chewy. that's not star wars, that's guardians of the galaxy

It's not the killing of him, it's the killing of him with no actual explanation of how another Sith with force powers to rival Palpatine just appears and then is gone.

Better than the first movie. Nigger's line was useless and he didn't dies.

He was flying very fast. That's really the only explanation they even try to offer.

And for fucks sake you're writing a new movie. Why start with fucking plot holes. Why have the rebels start with such a small force? If Poe was the lead of a flight of 45 X wings than I could buy them winning a battle with tie fighters to destroy the turrets ahead of the bombers.

>Rey kicks ass (but somehow is a master of the force with next to zero training)
It's a pretty common trope in weak storytelling. Most people will want to see someone being a badass without the buildup or explanation. A lot of the target audience for these new Star Wars movies are people who aren't going to be familiar with Episodes IV-VI

I remember questioning in the 90's why noone could just fly through the death star.

>Relativistic rockets, if their owners turn out to be less than benevolent, are both totally unstoppable and totally destructive. A starship weighing in at 1,500 tons (approximately the weight of a fully fueled space shuttle sitting on the launchpad) impacting an earthlike planet at “only” 30 percent of lightspeed will release 1.5 million megatons of energy — an explosive force equivalent to 150 times today’s global nuclear arsenal

When the BD drops someone is gonna make a fan edit and it'll be legit good, but not great. There's easily 45 minutes of content that could be cut and it'd only make the movie better.

I was hoping they would explore why she is so powerful with the force and with no training. There really was nothing added other than she and Ben Solo have some weird connection (I did like that idea).

Maybe they will explain it more in IX, but I thought VIII was a good spot to explore that more.

I thought Luke's death was sick. It was cool because he outsmarted Kylo and made him look like a fool.

Why has no one talked about the force sensitive slave child using the force to grasp the broom with the rebel resistance logo on his ring at the end of the movie?

>Not realising they're going to pull out Snoke: The Musical for their next spin off film

Yeah, but it will make millions of dollars so they don't fucking care if its pointless and tacky.

It the unfortunate truth that even as far back as episode 6, these movies were made largely to sell toys and other merchandise.

>hey had to introduce a tiny animal with big eyes imitating chewy. that's not star wars, that's guardians of the galaxy
They gotta have something to merchandise that's on par with minions

Because that shit was lame as hell.

I could take the tantrums if there is an arc and growth. Watching a boy grow into a monster would be interesting if done right. Smashing his helmet in the elevator I thought was the begining of this, but it never went anywhere.

Never Forget

Yeah, they did the same thing with 1-3. Even to the point of making up bullshit to explain the force. Just so new mouth breathers and children would get attatched as fans.

>worst Star Wars movie ever made
Rogue One would like to have a word with you

True. But no one dared fuck with him by V did they?

Everyone left before then

dude, you're forgetting something. the empire can never hit their target if it was standing 2 ft from them. that's why they need guns as big as the death star. So they targeted him but ended up hitting the other guys.

Bait

+1, favoritiest scene in the movie

I always thought she stole most of the training from Kylo when he was trying to dig into her mind in the first one.

Correct, they may not have liked him, but they feared him. Especially the guy that got choked for mocking him.