Is magic real? I'm talking about casting spells that have a visible impact in your life. I mean, if it was real...

Is magic real? I'm talking about casting spells that have a visible impact in your life. I mean, if it was real, everyone would be doing it unless it's being purposely hidden. Does anyone practice magic here?

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science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/scientific-experiments/scientific-method10.htm
icr.org/article/3749/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning
nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16569567
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No.

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Magick is all in your head, bud.

For a practical attempt to see for yourself, look up grant Morrison "pop magic" and try to cast a sigil.

magic isn't real in the sense that incantations don't do anything. you can however channel and move emotional energy which can have palpable impacts on places (homes, businesses, etc).

See: Jeffrey Seelman

SPOILER...

It's bullshit

Magic was a verbal art in ancient times. None of it was written down. It is knowledge lost to time. Seek answers from places beyond time. Or ask the gods, they might teach you. I need to become one in this life-time. It will be done.

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Magic don't real

if it was real, that would be the only thing id be ding

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke

In that sense, yes, magic exist. Meaning it's something we just don't understand yet.

but incantations don't work user. you can't cast spells yo.

>Is magic real?
no

Yo don' read too much Harrie Pottah, nigguh

Internet, radio waves, television would all be magic to people from 1890

I just want magic to be real because life is so boring. If this is all that life is, then what's the point

mfw a potentially interesting thread on b

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Yes, not in that literal sense.

But say you travelled back in time, gathered up the villagers and say "OK google, What time will the sun set tomorrow?" (I know they don't work without internet, humor me).

From their perspective, that's pure magic. Incantations, and being able to predict the future

>is magic real?
>interesting thread
boi

>Is magic real?
Yes

>if it was real, everyone would be doing it unless

You know those people who were born popular, with good lucks, money, and time? Parents who support them?
The ones who aren't just being invited to all the parties, but actually throwing them? The ones who get elected to prom king/queen, go snowboarding, windsurfing, foreign vacations, yada yada yada?
And they don't work hard at any of it?

Who's to say they weren't born with an innate magick that they are working, and have no interest or talent for understanding the ability or teaching it to others?

Interesting, I guess magic could just be something that tries to explain the unexplainable. But im talking about results that directly occur because of a spell or incantation and not because of something else that could cause potential results.

someone might write an essay on satanism or something, you never know.

im sure
>i know all the mystical knowledge
>tell us how to summon succubus, so she can suck me off?
>u dont wanna know, its dangerous, u can find it on the internet anyway. It totally works, though

ITT: fucking nutjobs

>im talking about results that directly occur because of a spell or incantation

If you could prove that an action cause a direct result, I don't believe it would be magick anymore, but science. So your question is becoming moot.

Magick is the changing of your reality in accordance with your will. Sometimes that means you subconsciously take actions that result in your success. Sometimes that means changing the way you create "reality" to view things in a different light. These are all subtle effects that fall outside of the scientific method.

>everybody's saying no, madgick isn't real
>they're nutjobs
mkay user

>ITT: fucking nutjobs
Nobody - nobody - has a clear view of reality.
It's all a construction in our brains, that filter some signals out and put heavy emphasis on other signals.
Those signals pass through our biases, learning, and mental abilities to become a virtual map of "reality" as we perceive it.
If you change the way you perceive reality, you literally change reality because that's the only thing you really have. You don't know reality.

>Everybody

no no you're misunderstanding me
I know this is all bullshit, I just find the things people write about it interesting. I'm not tryna learn how to "summon demons" or whatever, it's just fun to read about.

granny weatherwax

That doesn't mean magic is real

what a thrilling hobby u have

that's why we have measuring devices

>real

You totally missed the point. Everyone is literally incapable of understanding what is real - all you have is a mock-up in your brain pan.
You change that mock-up - the map between the signals your brain accepts and how it interprets them - then you literally change your reality, which is all you every really have.

Magick is the art of making those changes.

>that's why we have measuring devices

You can never understand anything just by measuring it. The very act of measuring something changes it.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

Sure is youngfag in here tonight.

idk nigga I'm bored as fuck
it's 5 am everyone here's asleep

>literally
Millennial code word for “everything I say is emotionally biased because I’m a self absorbed prick”

How would one go about making those changes?

>doesn't get invited to many parties

>Everyone is literally incapable of understanding what is real

That does not mean reality does not exist

>How would one go about making those changes?
If I could tell you, I'd be rich teaching classes.

It's about meditation, willpower, focus, self-improvement. It's about teaching yourself to understand your view of the world is passed through flawed sensory organs and biased brain patterns, trying to be more aware of your surroundings, and to be slow in making judgments or assumptions.

The writings I'm most familiar with are Timothy Leary and RA Wilson, but I'm sure there are more modern sources for the same ideas. I just don't know them.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-circuit_model_of_consciousness

okay, i'll byte

>says we cannot know whats real
>is pointed out to source of unbiased data
>brings up literally quantum mechanics as a counteragument

special pleading -> non sequitur, my boy.

also:
>you can never understand anything just by measuring it

that's why we have the scientific method

>That does not mean reality does not exist

Reality does exist, but neither you nor any humans will ever understand it. The only "reality" you have to work with exists inside your head and it is a product of your limited and flawed organs trying to make patterns out of them based on your biases.

the dead are among us, it's not magic it's energy that hasn't ceased to exist.

>that's why we have the scientific method

The scientific method has an innate flaw - it can only validate things that are repeatable, where you have control of the conditions.

If you're sitting on a beach at night and you see a large meteor zoom overhead, burning up in the atmosphere until it's just dust and plasma, that is your truth. You might say it was reality.
If I hear your story and try to duplicate the event, I can sit on the beach every night and I might never see such a meteor. I might see some pinprick shooting stars, but nothing that lights up the sky. So by the scientific method, what happened to you is not scientific truth because I can't duplicate the event. Especially if we're talking pre-rocket history.
The scientific method is a good way of establishing a baseline set of rules that we can operate from, but it is not a good representation of reality because it can't accommodate something that can't be explained but is still "real."

Hey op

Magic is real but not so much in the sense you would think.

First, all the real spells arent lost but almost impossible to find. i know i have one book and i mean one. out of maybe 600 about magic that is real, and its not about the big stuff just little stuff. but hey it works. Looks like a second rate church pamphlet. Didnt buy it I just found it somehow.

second, magic works on more of an ethereal level. lets say were in the ocean and we live on the surface. magic affects the undercurrent. you dont see it but you feel it. sometimes instant sometimes over time, building up.

third, ones you start messing with it and see how it affects life. you can spot how there is so much unused stuff just wondering around that no one will ever find or use. just lost. but at the same time how there is magic just moving around you and affecting everything about life but thats just existance.

why cant we use it and affect the world with it, the same reason we cant blow the leafs off a branch witht the air we blow from our hands. you need help either with cooperation or going with the flow.

got nudes of grace?

Oh dear.

this is very scientific of you

>Clearly, the scientific method is a powerful tool, but it does have its limitations. These limitations are based on the fact that a hypothesis must be testable and falsifiable and that experiments and observations be repeatable. This places certain topics beyond the reach of the scientific method.
>science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/scientific-experiments/scientific-method10.htm

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This is in reference to theories about other universes, life on other planets, etc., not meteors or fucking dipshits that think magic is real.

>Exploring the Limitations of the Scientific Method
>Are there circumstances in which the scientific method ought to work, but for which the method does not provide "an accurate representation of the world"--that is, a correct description of the way things really are? Unfortunately, the answer is yes. As Professor Wolfs mentions above, "personal and cultural beliefs influence both our perceptions and our interpretations of natural phenomena."
>icr.org/article/3749/

A. Yes, magic is real, if you find the right types of sources and people you can experience it.

B. Really, really don't fuck with magic until you absolutely know what you're doing. You probably shoudn't fuck with it even if you do know what you're doing.

Sorry, it appears to me that your brain is still working on a more primitive level where you think your perceptions equal everybody else's reality.

Magic is as real as true communism.

meteors interact with reality and it can be dected. Magic doesnt exist, so it has no impact on reality. Unlike magic, we have a degree of control over reality., while magic doesnt exist.

lets make it simple, then: Write a science paper, where u give instructions on how to repeat your experiment and prove how u cast spells

What type of magic are you referring to?

>Magic doesnt exist...while magic doesnt exist.

>Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving"; also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

Is there any chance I can see proof of this book or a spell that works?

Magic is real but it's devoting most of its resources to making us not overwhelmed by the singularity, it'll be apparent when you're ready for it.

no, nigger. I repeat the fact, that magic doesnt exist, not argue it doesnt exist by deriving it doesnt exist from it not existing
no wonder u believe it does, if u cant follow words

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You don't "cast a spell," but yes. Magic is real in a sense. Our collective thoughts and prayers can cause changes in the world.
>b-b-but praying doesnt do SHIT
Not if you're insincere, like most people who pray. But if many people want something with all their heart, it can come true.

No, no, no. I'm not arguing about how our physiology alters perceptions. That's an obvious fact.

I'm saying that you don't understand the scientific method at all. Yes, it is not the epitome of perfection. However, it does work.

The limitations don't indicate that magic 'could' exist, and, if you think that you don't understand the scientific method and principles at all.

Magic and science are one in the same. Everyone else just calls it science. If we don't understand something we use science to gain a better grasp of reality. We don't blame it on 'magic.'

no true scotsman fallacy
show me the studies, where prayer resulted in what was prayed for, thats also has direct causality, instead of mundane waiting solving the problem

>Write a science paper, where u give instructions on how to repeat your experiment and prove how u cast spells

This would not be magick but science. See:

>If you could prove that an action cause a direct result, I don't believe it would be magick anymore, but science. So your question is becoming moot.

no, that would be real. If it manifests in reality, it can be studied.
Thx for admitting u r wrong and that magic doesnt exist

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Nigga wut? Magic is real. It's praying. you just got to believe it. Anime is real too, you just have to be very passionate about it. Just pray and i mean hardcore praying the shit out god and everything can be real. If nothing happens, you didn't pray hard enough.

>We don't blame it on 'magic.'

This is your definition of magic, not mine as talked about above.

I would have to find it. last time i messed with all that stuff was 15 yeas ago. but i still have them all in the attic. in boxes. with all the other books.

maybe another day

the spell i liked the most was about creating a relationship. it involved invoking Astharoth and Shiva. also the spell i used that made me shit my pants and realizing magic is real. Also now that I know who this existences are I would say be careful. but if you find books around this area your on the right path.

Are you linking me because you want me to help you design a spell to attract a succubus to you?

Look, it's actually pretty complicated and this knowledge isn't to be transmitted casually, how about you make it worth my time first.

Same.

im pointing out how i wrote how a faggot like u gonna talk all around the shit they think they know

It is becoming a reality faggot, virtual reality will be indistinguishable from reality within our lifetime no doubt, and that's because we believe in it and that there's profit in selling fake sex to people. Hell, the amount of video porn we have now would have been almost inconceivable to the majority 20 years ago. Just have some perspective, you buy in too much into limitations that you project towards our future.

prayer works but i do believe just maybe people are praying to the wrong god.

also the best way i would be able to put it out there would be.

Whoever wins the war is always right.

Well, that's just an example of your thought manifesting into the future, you believed that you would be received in a certain way and that's the reality of your current being. If you were open minded about it and looked for the truth of the matter then you'd attract the truth so you have only yourself to blame.

except reality by definition is independent of your perceptions of it

Yeah, I want an experience like that, where I get actual first hand proof that magic is real.

Magic is real. And it has an impact on your social life.

write a paper about it in scientific journal, then, instead of talking vague sophistry on an anonymous image board

There are no studies, no one has thought to study it. It'd even be hard to study if you tried. Most people pray in private, you never hear about it, you couldn't observe or record it. If you were to start a study, you'd have to gather millions of people and hope they are all trying their best. Lack of studies doesn't mean something isn't true, though, and I can tell you that I at least believe in magic with every fiber of my being.

what would be my motivation for distilling esoteric knowledge into a format accepted by academia? What's in it for me?
I'm not that benevolent, look if there is something more to life then what you're educated into believing then it's going to take effort to seek it out and distill the truth of the matter, why would I do the heavy lifting for non seekers?

look for it long enough and it will find you. I guess would work under my experience. Also by the way things are going on around my house right now. sometimes they wont want you to share things. so if you get it its a gift just for you.

hope the hint helps.

another thing, you will know when you find it and its real. just a tingly feeling inside. reading it will have a different feeling and everything in the book or paper will have nothing in correspondence with everything else you have ever read or seen.

also i speak spanish and the pamphlet was written in spanish. weird spanish.

hope it helps and good luck with it all.

Yes. Here is my spell.

lack of studies means theres no reason to believe in it.
if its not testable, theres even less reason to believe in it.
heres an actual example of studies being published on it and concluding prayer is shit:
nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16569567

I reiterate
>ITT: fucking nutjobs

You're right. I don't have any studies to back up that my toaster oven can go super saiyan but I still believe.

nobel prize is a million dollars. So is the prize from James Randi Educational Foundation. On top of spreading knowledge, getting fame and pushing humanity further in development.
But i guess a cretionus retard like yourself needs some "better" motivation

Op
All the mystery schools, secret societies, and fag meetings of the occult nature use the following In mid to high rank rituals:

1. Kabbalah
2. Blood as the main ingredient
3. Physical effort (dancing and fucking and brawling etc)
4. A shared intent.

Every. Single. Group of humans

So make of that what you will, and try to catch my drift?
If every single group around the world do the same thing with noticeable results, then what does that tell you?

calm down there medivh

Read The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O by Neal Stephenson to find out what happened to magic in our world.

>this study that happens to align with my current views is completely factual and not at all biased i know that because i didnt read it
M'science. *tips fedora* Fortunately, things that exist, exist whether you believe it or not.

Magic is real.

The problem is that with all the fluoride and toxins in our societies that it poisons our mind and prevents us from accessing the arcane portions of our mind.

Your pineal gland is your source but it is being calcified by the aforementioned toxins.

If enough people believe it, that toaster WILL go super saiyan. Spread the word.

James Randi withdrew the offer.

Nobody was legit about claiming it. Too many wackos.

Needing reason to believe is rational, you'll rarely be wrong that way. It also means that you'll never be on the cutting edge of new discovery, fear that anything fringe and untested isn't worthwhile because it's not worth potentially being wrong. I'm wondering how you deal with matters of heart, do you only pursue a relationship if every environmental factor dictates success? sounds neurotic to me, belief is irrational and that nonsensical thing in my experience, when followed, brings out the best parts of life. Not everyone has to be scared of that insubstantial part of being and go by the book like you seem to be advocating.

Yes but I'd rather learn things from peer-reviewed research than some random nobody who claims magic is real on the internet.

i always wondered if meme magic worked you know a general idea spread around the masses making it a reality thru pure force of will.