Can we talk Eurozone enlargement?

The EU has 28 states. 19 of these 28 states uses the Euro, one state (Denmark) is using its own currency, but it is pegged 100% to the Euro, so they de facto use the Euro.

Bulgaria: wants to join the Euro as fast as possible (in 2015 they wanted to join in 2018) - 55% of Bulgarians in 2015 said they are pro Euro, with 38% saying against.

Croatia: 53% pro Euro joining in 2015, 40% are opposed, the Croatian president in 2015 said she is confident Croatia will join by 2020

Hungary: 60% are pro Euro joining, 35% are opposed in 2015, Orban is generally opposed to join quickly, but will be pressured to join if other EU states join

Poland: 46% in June 2015 were pro joining the Euro, 43% were opposed, in 2014 politicians said joining the Euro would be done after 2020

Romania: 68% are for joining the Euro in 2015, 26% opposed, in April 2015, the Romanian government stated they are on track for joining in 2019

Opposed countries / peoples:
Sweden: 32% in favor, 66% opposed, no plans to introduce the Euro

Czech Republic: 29% in favor, 70% opposed in 2015, no Euro adoption roadmap

UK: last poll: 6% in favor, 81% opposed, no roadmap to join

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A lot of Danish politicians shill for the euro all the time. It's getting pretty annoying, especially since we keep voting against it.
Fucking EU shills, may they all burn in hell

>It's getting pretty annoying, especially since we keep voting against it.
But you already have the Euro. Your Kronor is pegged to the Euro.

>eurozone enlargement
>german flag
get out of here merkel

Reminder
>swiss franc was linked to euro
>was unlinked and went up by like 25% in one day
>mountain jews literally making money out of nothing

Is Denmark clever enough for that?

>get out of here merkel
Did you even read more than the headline?

You do know that out of the 8 states which do not have the Euro or a pegged currency, 5 want the Euro and 3 do not?

That is the discussion. What if in 10 years it is only the Czech Republic, Sweden, the UK and Denmark which do not have the Euro? And what if Denmark and Czechia also join. What if the UK leaves the EU? What is Sweden going to do? leave the EU?

Why are Germans obsessed with ruling Europe?

Our current gov ceased any works on joining Eurozone. Those polls results look fake btw.

Uk is lynchpin for whole EU project, Once we leave then it will only be a matter of time before it falls apart. So this thread is irrelevant anyway

>all those shitty countries who plan to join
Haha good luck, Germoney.

>Why are Germans obsessed with ruling Europe?
We are not. Stop this meme.

The Euro is a currency, nothing more, nothing less. Think of it like a gold backed Bretton Woods arrangement between the Euro states. You cannot manipulate your own currency any more, but have to reform to stay competitive. That is good.

>Our current gov ceased any works on joining Eurozone. Those polls results look fake btw.
Inform yourself about your own country, Pole.

In October 2014, the Deputy Prime Minister Janusz Piechociński suggested that Poland should join the Eurozone in 2020 at the earliest.[102] The new elect Prime Minister, Ewa Kopacz, having replaced Donald Tusk for the remaining last year of the governments term, at the same time commented: "Before answering the question which target date should be set for the euro changeover, we must ask another: What is the situation of the eurozone and where are they going? If the eurozone will strengthen, then Poland should fulfill all the criteria for inclusion, which would in any case be good for the economy."[103] The PM hereby referred to the earlier political decision of first letting the National Coordination Committee for Euro Changeover complete its update of the changeover plan, which await a prior establishment of the banking union, before setting a target date for euro adoption.[nb 3]

Polls have generally showed that Poles are opposed to adopting the euro straight away,[70][106] with a eurobarometer poll in April 2015 showing that 44 percent of Polish people are in favour of introducing the euro (a decrease of 1 percent from 2014), whereas 53 percent are opposed (no change from 2014).[63][64] However, polls conducted by TNS Polska throughout 2012–2015 have consistently shown support for eventually adopting the euro,[107][108][109][110][111][112][113][114][115] though that support depends on the target date. According to the latest TNS Polska poll from June 2015, the share who supported adoption was 46% against 41%. When asked about the appropriate timing, the supporters were divided into three groups of equal size, with 15% advocating for adoption within the next 5 years, another 14% preferring it should happen between 6–10 years from now, and finally 17% arguing it should happen more than 10 years from now.[115]

>Once we leave then it will only be a matter of time before it falls apart.

That is what Greenland said when they left...

I see what you're saying but they are not nearly on the same level.

GIB FREE EURO MONI RIGHT NOW

>We are not. Stop this meme.
I'm not falling for your lies, Hans.

They are all growing their economies faster than the US.

>I'm not falling for your lies, Hans.
Then start to argue against, if you think those are lies. Why do you think the Euro is bad? Any actual argument that you have for your position?

P.S. why do you care, you are not even in the EU?

Poland won't join Eurozone.

>GIB FREE EURO MONI RIGHT NOW
We already do. But you have to join first to get more free Euro money. Join fast, join good.

>Hungary: 60% are pro Euro joining,

Well fuck, but I like Forint. Why can't different countries put their national symbols onto it?

Plus joining the Eurozone would mean we have to have European prices, which would destroy the economy, so its not likely that Eastern European countires join soon.

>UK: last poll: 6% in favor, 81% opposed, no roadmap to join

good lads

>Let me tell you about your country
Oh boy again the German arogance. It was either end of 2015 or beginning of 2016 when I read new gov ceased works on it. You are pasting info about previous traitors gov. If anything happens by 2020 it's them being locked in prison for conspiring for another country (Reichland)

down with the euro
down with the EU
down with this german pro eu poster

this

>Why can't different countries put their national symbols onto it?

You can, on the coins. On the printed money, it would confuse people and also be easier to falsify notes and cost a shitload of money for different printing presses.

P.S. people who use paper money are retarded anyway in a digital economy.

You cannot begin to compare Greenland with UK.
We are the 5th largest economy in the world, 11th largest exporter. one of only a handful of militaries who can project power worldwide.
EU is holding us back.

i have studied in austria and germany and i can tell you the prices for food are the same as in croatia

was meant for

fuck you and your euro it made everything more expensive

Poland will join at some point. Not right now, but if other states start to join and the number of non-Euro EU member states reduces, the pressure on Poland will increase to be "part of the club", because Germany is already gearing up to create a two speed Europe - one for the Eurozone and one for the rest of the EU.

Or in other words, if Poland wants to be a full EU member it will have to join and once Hungary, Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria join, there will be more pressure on Poland to join as well.

Yeah but Croatia has a pretty good economy, its not Hungary or Romania or Bulgaria tier.

Just think about it, we have lower salaries, that means lower prices, which means if we have the same currency as Austria or Germany, they are going to come here to buy everything, which would hurt their economy.

here is the example

>You cannot begin to compare Greenland with UK.
Big island vs small island. I can sure compare it. People said the EU is falling apart once Greenland left. People said if Greenland can survive, why should Sweden or Ireland or the UK not leave to?

If the UK leaves and the UK economy doesn't do well (for whatever reason) in the next years, no other country will even suggest leaving. Actually, there might be a big push in the UK to stage a second referendum to NOT leave after all, due to the deteriorating economy.

>We are the 5th largest economy in the world, 11th largest exporter.
So?

>one of only a handful of militaries who can project power worldwide.
So? What does this have to do with anything? America is not part of the EU and is the most powerful military in the world. It still has very limited access to the EU single market.

>EU is holding us back.
Ok, then why isn't there an overwhelming majority for Brexit? Why is there not a single other country where people even remotely come close to having a third of the population wanting an EU exit?

These new Countries wanting to join EU will be net burdens on economy, bleeding the Eurozone dry. Greece is fucked. Italy is not far behind.
Youth unemployment is spain is just shy of 50 per cent. EU is the slowest growing bloc worldwide. It's all going downhill

>Or in other words, if Poland wants to be a full EU member

Plenty of people here don't want that and if Krauts won't manage to contain migrant crisis then there will more of EU skeptics.

or we can just leave when the gibs me dat ends :-DDD

Is that why you have deflation?

The Vienna Treaty wasn't harsh enough. I will cheer and gloat when your precious anti-democratic orwellian communist culture destroying crime organization crashes and burns.

Spain is the fast growing large economy in Europe.

Greece's unemployment is getting better and the country is right now returning to growth.

Italy has a balanced budget

Last I checked, it is the UK which has huge debts and is facing a big recession right now.

Poland, Czechia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania are all in good shape economically with low debt levels.

>They are all growing their economies faster than the US.

>Big island vs small island

bc we are meant to

>EU is holding us back.
Ok, then why isn't there an overwhelming majority for Brexit? Why is there not a single other country where people even remotely come close to having a third of the population wanting an EU exit?

Did you envision it being a caliphate?

Ha. No.

If the UK votes to leave the EU, everything changes.

Poland, Hungary, and Denmark will definitely hold referenda on leaving by 2020.

If one or more of them leave, then similar referenda will be held in Croatia, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Austria, and the Netherlands.

If a few of all the countries above leave, then movements to end, not just leave, the EU will pick up speed in France, Italy, Spain, and Portugal. If the Netherlands leaves, the EU will be dead within the year after France decides to pull out. If not, it comes down to sheer force of pressure and numbers.

Either way, if the UK votes to leave, the EU will be on its deathbed by 2026, unless it internally restructures itself into a more powerful federation; then it might survive longer (perhaps a decade or two, but that far out it's difficult to speculate) with reduced membership, assuming it can get its Western European core to remain (if it can't, the attempt at centralisation will kill it).

And all that is why the UK's referendum is going to be fixed.

the food costs the same as in Germany, your nominal goods are cheaper, real estate is expensive and we make 3x less money

Before the Euro coffee was 120 SIT and then when the euro hit the prices had to be readjusted and they pretty much did it with the following formula /100. 120 SIT ice cream or coffee became 1.2€. A cheap car was 1000000 SIT and then it was 10000€. 240 SIT was 1€

>>They are all growing their economies faster than the US.
So you are laughing... because you hate facts?
2004 to 2014 GDP growth average:
Bulgaria: 2.5%
Czech Republic: 2.1%
Poland: 3.9%
Romania: 2.7%

USA: 1.6%

Recently joined Eurozone:
Slovakia: 3.8%
Malta: 2.5%
Lithuania: 2.2%
Latvia: 2.5%
Estonia: 2.4%

>Poland, Hungary, and Denmark will definitely hold referenda on leaving by 2020.
Not a chance.

>If one or more of them leave, then similar referenda will be held in Croatia, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Austria, and the Netherlands.
There is no chance in hell that any of those countries would even hold a referendum.

>hen movements to end, not just leave, the EU will pick up speed in France, Italy, Spain, and Portugal.
You really have no idea what people think in Europe, right?

>Either way, if the UK votes to leave, the EU will be on its deathbed by 2026
Is that the same prophecy as Bill Clinton's prophecy in 2000 that by 2017 the US will be completely debt free?

Not to argue, I just think it's funny how growth = good. The world goes to economic shit without constant growth. Our global economy has the same philosophy as a virus.

Because, you fucking Turk, those countries are fucking shit. The only way for them to go is up. Malta, for example, is letting Chinks buy their houses and offering investment visas for permanent residence.

euro is comfy as fuck :3 especially when buying stuff over internet from other eurozone countries

Romanians are just brainwashed sheep that don't realize that joining the Euro Zone would just fuck up our economy with almost no chance of recovery. They think that joining the Euro Zone will lead to massive salary increases so now people wouldn't earn 400 Euros but instead they will earn 2000 just because we joined the EU and Euro Zone.

Same thing happened with the "free market" sham that fucked us up for good.

But the status quo won't allow anyone comment on that because our "leaders" are fucking cucks that suck EU/US cock every morning before coffee or breakfast.

>Not to argue, I just think it's funny how growth = good. The world goes to economic shit without constant growth.

GDP growth increases wealth. Why do you think increasing wealth is bad?

>Because, you fucking Turk, those countries are fucking shit.
Growth suggests they are getting better.

>Malta, for example, is letting Chinks buy their houses and offering investment visas for permanent residence.
So? I am 100% ok with giving visas to people who have money to invest. We should do that a lot more. Whoever has 250k and invests it in Europe, should get a EU blue card. Whoever creates 5 jobs in the EU should get a EU blue card.

Illegals should NOT be let in, rich people SHOULD come.

BS, Romanian.

Romania and Bulgaria have massive potential for investment and tourism. Both have areas which are beautiful. But because both countries are not in the Euro, a lot of investors and tourists say "nahhhh, I rather spend my Euros in Austria or Slovenia or Italy".

You will get a 10 year boost from joining the Euro.

> GDP growth increases wealth. Why do you think increasing wealth is bad?

Follow it to its logical conclusion. How do we sustain constant growth forever on a finite planet? It's the same way cancer works. We're not colonising others any time soon.

Why don't you fuck off you cunt? How about that?

>UK: last poll: 6% in favor, 81% opposed, no roadmap to join
Yeah that's it, fuck off.

Death to the EU and all its tendrils.

It honesty doesn't matter what happens because western civilization is finished. Once you took those first refugees an immigrants, you lost any standing in refusing anyone, and the majority of your people want them to come and change your nations.

Doesn't matter what the EU does because the demographics are changing into a globalist paradise, as planned and designed by the Jews.

It's a sinking ship and there's nothing you can do about it. The time for stopping it was decades ago. You've got people that literally look on a their countrymen and women get killed and raped and they defend the immigrants and blame the victims and their own society.

I suggest you all stop coming to Sup Forums and just live your lives.

>How do we sustain constant growth forever on a finite planet?

We don't. There is a natural ceiling which is caused by robotics and automation. The "Star Trek" communist future is what is going to happen. But there is a lot of GDP growth we still need to get the wealth to have a society which doesn't require petty work.

> Globalist paradise

It won't pan out like that. The stronger culture (Islam) will just conquer the weak. When enough of them are here to outvote the natives, they'll just start installing Muslim governments and imposing Muslim laws.

Do you think a Muslim Europe is going to be pro-Israel?

bretton woods was extremely beneficial for america

A Muslim Europe won't be Europe so it won't matter whether they're pro-Israel or not. The Jews of Europe can flee to the Jewish nation of America after ruining Europe.

kek, the way things are, it is you who need to fuck off.

>bretton woods was extremely beneficial for america
Actually, it wasn't. The 1970s were pretty rough when America defaulted on its obligation to convert Dollars into Gold.

The point is that Bretton Woods was generally good for everyone, because nobody had to think about exchange rates and could just sell their goods without having to hedge FX risk.

So what was the point of it all?

Who benefits? I think it's big banks and big business. It's not so much malice as avarice. We get Muslims, you get Mexicans. Either way it's flooding the population with cheap labour, driving up property prices and further enriching the elite and the expense of everyone else. I don't think they deliberately want to destroy the west, I think they just don't care if they do or even think about it. All that matters is that bottom line. All perfectly exemplified in TPP and TTIP where common people from three continents get fucked in one big swoop.

shhh don't tell him...
it's a secret !!!

What is the timeless meme that's been around for over 2000 years? All Jews care about is money. It was known to the ancients that Jews would sell out their own mothers for a few sheckles. They'll take present gain for future pain. That's the motivation. Except now they can squeeze and wring Europe for all it's worth and then flee to America when it gets to dangerous for them. Then the cycle begins again.

Jews are rootless and view goyim as cattle that are beneath the chosen in every way. They have no ties or attachments to Europe or western civilization. There is no such thing as hell for Jews. All they care about is amassing money at any cost.

It's a symbolic thing.
I'd also imagine it would be easier to unpeg it, than to change our currency from euro back to kroner, should the need arise.

>The Euro is a currency, nothing more, nothing less
>secretly counting €€€ from higher exports due to common currency

join us

>Poland
Where does this meme come from? Poland is the biggest receiver and haven't achieved anything by themselves for decades, they will go back to 3rd world status if they leave.

I wish, britbro. I wish.

REEEEEE FUCK OFF KRAUTS

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We could be the Allied Kingdoms of the North Sea

>Big island vs small island

wew lad

>81%
GREAT

Pretty much this.
In 2015, Austria held a 'Volksbefragung' on leaving the EU, which isn't a referendum, but a simple and clear way to voice your support for it, and parliament has to make it a point in their daily agenda. Only 215k signed it. If people really cared, there would have been more support, but there wasn't.

don't play dumb slovenia... if we still hat the DM we could just print like idiots as we do now...

the euro changes nothing for us in this regard... just look at japan... devaluing your currency isn't realy a good thing though because you get lazy and avoid reforms and modernisation...

so in this regard it was a bad thing that france, spain and italy insisted on (too) high exchange rates when they joined... because that manouver increased the worth of the capital stock of their economies but also reduced their competitiveness in the long run... and now a few years later we are printing euros like now tommorow to correct this error and because the US, JAPAN and alle it's ASEAN friends do the same for years by now...

Yes please.

Fuck the EU.

Can't wait for all the butthurt in London when the rest of the country votes leave.

Testing posting

>using euro
its shit tier, everytime i go to Germany i come back with a wallet full of those fucking coins and nobody wants them

if you knew anything about the history of EU and its institutions you'd know that EU as is, is probably in its most stable state, even more stable than way back when it was still called EEC

there was a period of like 7 years when its every decision was blocked because the French felt butthurt over certain provisions. there have been 3 major revisions of EU institutions and each and every one of them has only made the EU stronger.

don't be a fool falling for memes. countries like France, Germany and Italy are making a killing out of EU's market and their economies are so intertwined with it that it's likely impossible for them to leave now without some major financial crisis. likewise, economies of other countries you mentioned like Poland, Hungary, Croatia, Bulgaria, etc. are in many ways intertwined with big EU countries that its literally impossible for them to leave either short of having North Korea coups happening

I literally cannot wait until June when the vote happens and Sup Forums is filled for days with British butthurt over having to stay.

And then you all get to enjoy watching Sup Forums meltdown when Trump loses the election.

We all get to take turns being Sup Forums's biggest cuck.

>And then you all get to enjoy watching Sup Forums meltdown when Trump loses the election.

Is there nothing in between June 23 and November 7 which could be interesting from a Sup Forums situation?

No other elections or events?

Olympics. I'm sure there will be tons of sex scandals, corruption, doping, an Zika scares.

Don't think there's much politically happening. Hopefully more terrorist attacks.

Speaking of terror attacks, what are the emergency numbers in Europe? I'd watch for terrorist attacks on those dates.

you have the Euro till 10 of July and you have Olympics in August. those two alone should at least spawn a decent number of Habbening-Con 3 threads.

Entire October is gonna be a big shitstorm of smear campaigning, shilling, SJW-conservicuck tears and poor journalism otherwise known as US Presidential Elections Campaign

that leaves us with September?

>euro
>Poland
sorry Lad its like with the Jews they have shekels we have Gold

Let in Macedonia and Serbia kraut

Current local currency to yuro is 2:1. I have the feeling they'll recalculate the wages but keep the pricing identical so everything will double in cost once again.
Don't call it paranoia. They already did this when we joined the eu and prices skyrocketed the same day because "the eu will punish us if we don't, stupid proles!".

>Romania: 68% are for joining the Euro in 2015, 26% opposed, in April 2015, the Romanian government stated they are on track for joining in 2019


Merkel pls go, it won't happen

It's not about the fact that it would drag the economy down, but that many services and products won't be affordable to many people, specially in the rural area

maybe we'll see some russian american missle shield butthurd rising...

the russians will do something in the coming weeks to show they really don't like the new anti-missle base in romania... maybe they'll put some missles in Kalinigrad and crimea or they start reactivating old soviet missle and naval bases in the far east ( kourills and shit ) to piss of the americans...

Do poor countries even benefit from the Eurozone? I thought weak currency = more investments

they don't that's why we keep gold for our currency becouse it keeps the investments

>majority votes exit
>forced to stay anyway
Good luck

I think Eurozone enlargement was pretty much put on hold, I can see maybe Bulgaria joining because they are poor as fuck, but the others not so much.

Another problem also lies in that the Eurozone is functioning on a two speed level, you have countries like Finland, Germany,Netherlands Czech republic and Austria with sensitive bank assets which are vulnerable right now, but also heavy emphasis on exports.

Then you have slower speed economies like Spain, Italy, Greece, and Portugal.

The euro cannot function properly as it is right now, why would someone join in?

Ok, Bulgaria-bro, are you saying your government is fudging the numbers for inflation and wage growth?

Warsaw NATO summit or World Youth Day in Cracow are both potentialy happening tier events tbqh both in July

You don't translate zloty to gold kek

Euro is fucking cancer and i cant w8 4 eurozone to collapse.

>I thought weak currency = more investments
Currency manipulation doesn't help at all. You can reform and keep wages down and make your country more attractive this way.

Look at other countries trying the currency manipulation route like Japan or China, doesn't help them at all.