If D-Day failed, how would the rest of the war turn out?
My guess is despite the second front Germans would still lost. Kursk was their last chance to turn the tables on Soviets and Operation Bagration was beggining at the same time.
With no Allied foothold in France and Reds on Poland's border, would we see even more of Europe coming under Stalin?
Maybe the holocaust would have actually happened and we would be better off.
The soviet would liberate the rest of Europe up to the channel and every camp would be a extermination camp.
The allies already had acces to europe since Operation Husky and the later invasion of Italy.
So if D-day would have failed the allied would have been forced to go over Italy and not over france.
With the Toskana and the Po valley the Axis would have been in a way better defensive position then they was in France.
The soviets probably would have been able to capture all of Germany, the Benelux and huge parts of France
Isn't that just because it's smarter to build an extermination camp in an occupied country, AKA Poland?
This image is not just a map of who inspected the camps, it's pretty much concentration camps in Germany and death camps in Poland.
Yeah you're probably right, its all just a coincidence.
>If D-Day failed, how would the rest of the war turn out?
It was pretty much over before d-day.
I think Germanys 2 mistakes were not invading England and deciding to bomb it. The agreement with Japan. Japan fucked them so bad with pearl harbor. It was right after Germanys first defeat too.
Day D was fucking nothing.
Stalingrad decided the war.
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Not too mention that there were less than 200k Jews in Germany at the outbreak of the war, but well over 3 million in Poland.
They built the death camps in convenient locations. It is not some conspiracy.
murder yourself jew
>Not too mention that there were less than 200k Jews in Germany at the outbreak of the war, but well over 3 million in Poland.
Where did the other 2.8 million come from?
>Stalingrad
You mean Moscow
>trying to strengthen my arguments by looking at proof critically before I adopt it
oh vey I've been found out
Post war propaganda effort, mostly
Predominantly from occupied soviet territories but also the rest of Europe.
There were well over 6 million Jews in Europe prior to WW2 and Germany occupied a good proportion of continental Europe.
By 1943, Germany's loss was a forgone conclusion.
If you ever have a chance, highly recommend play "Copenhagen," which looks at Germany's attempts to get the atomic bomb and a meeting between Boher and Heisenberg, two of the greatest physicists of the time.
Germany would have probably still have lost
But Russia would have gotten much more clay
>D-Day
pic related
It is american propaganda
>we're the tough guy Krauts couldn't du nuffin ya'll know
WW2 was all about eastern front.
Fuck even north america and the blitzt were more important than the west front.
>north america
sorry I meant north africa
>He argues a different point about the Holocaust
>Strawman his muh 6million
It's about location. #Nobody here actually believes 6million kikes got roasted, probably not even half that, but there were more Jews in occupied territory, answering your original question.
but it was americans that beat you in north africa too
The first D Day was an epic fail.
Just saying.
fuck the italians desu
Please eloborate
>americans
*Commonwealth
FPBP
>1944
>like 90% of the wehrmacht on the eastern front
>americans fought a few hitler youths
>red army already deep in central european territory
the only thing america did was making sure the russians didn't reach paris
This. The western front was held by 30 reserve divisions, three half strength SS divisions and 3 paratrooper divisions.
The eastern front had 200 infantry divisions alone.
Karl Doenitz actively tried to direct German refugees west behind the American lines in the dying stages of the European war. Once the war was lost it was preferable for people to fall into american hands than Soviet.
Given the option if Germany still had a sane leader at the helm they would have conceded more territory to the Americans, and less to the Russians.
>#Nobody here actually believes 6million kikes got roasted, probably not even half that,
>believing that any kikes got roasted at all
Please, could you be more bluepilled?
More like, if the Americans had any sense they would have pushed the soviets back to their own borders, like Patton wanted.
Damn shame the Yanks only started to realize how nuts the Soviets were by the 50s.
D day failing wouldn't have stopped the Manhattan Project, and wouldn't meant they couldn't try to create a beach head on another occasion
The fact remains that the Germans operated camps which housed thousands of Jews, many of whom died. The cause is irrelevant, it is still an atrocity even if they died predominantly from Typhus.
Furthermore the camps were only one part of a larger apparatus. The Einsatzgruppe undoubtedly killed thousands.
As for the 6 million number I am of the view that it mostly holds symbolic (rather than factual) significance. However to think that no one died and the whole thing is a conspiracy shows an absence of critical thought.
That would have been an amazing idea.
The other European powers and the Americans were well aware that the Soviets were crazy. At that stage they just wanted an end to the war.
When did i say that nobody died? Starvation and disease is to be expected when your logistics are being destroyed, gassing and burning people in the millions is a whole other story.
When did i say that nobody died?
>believing that any kikes got roasted at all
You implied it, right there.
Nukes. Also, larger manpower reserves. The USSR had more field armies and divisions, but their reserves were exhausted. 4 years of high intensity combat with 20 million dead had depleted their manpower.
The USA still had huge manpower reserves. Also, they could have enlisted the Japanese and Germans to their side, at that point still numbering 4 million and 5 million men respectively.
Why accept millions more dead in the circumstances though?
Sure WW2 ended in a fragile peace, but none the less it ended.
The problems we face now such as the social unacceptability of nationalism and an increasingly assertive China would have come about anyway even with the total defeat of the USSR.
What would invading the USSR have achieved?
The Western front was defended by around 20 divisions, a lot of the division was build by foreign soldier, old and young inexperienced soldier. anyway, the Allied army had a size of around 350.000 troops.
The eastern front consisted of 200 german divisions. The soviet had marched anyways all the way to Berlin and had end the war.
It would have achieved a weakened USSR and a free eastern Europe, able to make its own choices and develop economically for 50 years, rather than be run by communist incompetence. The cold war might never even have happened.
Having Japan and Germany fight with the Allies, would also perhaps broker a better peace that wouldnt leave both countries with massive guilt complexes.
Millions more dead could have prevented the many millions of people who suffered under Communist rule. We could have exterminated the last of the untermensch in the last great crusade. The Cold War could have entirely been prevented. All of this because WW1 carried into WW2 and then the Cold War which involved all the proxy wars from the 50's to the 90's.
China's ascension was with the SU supplying them arms during the proxy wars they were involved in.
>in b4 'nah breh, you're a faggot that doesn't know wtf you're talking about
>in b4 I probably say 'yeah breh, that's fair'
Anyway, here's my subjective analysis based on what I subjectively have determined is a large amount of subjective research:
The Western Front would have been drawn to essentially a standstill between the Crumpet Stuffing Red Coats, Burgers (albeit minimally involved at this point, and using Crumpet Land as a base of operations), and Krauts, and the Ivans would have continued their patented "throw human meat at a wall with no regard for the value of human life until the wall falls down" tactics on the Eastern front and eventually Cabbage Land would have "bled" to death. They simply did not have enough manpower
to continue the fight against a force that outnumbered them in such a significant manner. The Krauts had better technology and soldiers to use against Ivan as far as I can tell from the research I've done, but that only does so much against an enemy army that has such a large reserve of "expendables".
Ivan would have eventually over run Kraut territories (albeit sustaining an incredibly large number of casualties), and the standstill on the Western Front would have been brought to a close as the Krauts forfeited ground there in order to prolong the inevitable Ivan advances. Anglo Swine and Burger forces would have then probably tried D-Day Part Dos with markedly better success (i.e. Not getting thrown the fuck off the beach).
In the Pacific Theater, Burger Marine, Army, and Naval forces would have crushed the Nips quite thoroughly, and the nuclear bomb would probably still have been used, resulting in roughly the same outcome that we know of today. The only difference is that Ivan forces might have been more dedicated to crushing the Nips through a joint invasion with Burger forces, but that is all speculation, and I don't really see that as all that likely with the Burger use of the nuclear bomb.