>be me >be an autist >get into debate with SJWs about how allowing the media to portray homosexuality and other degeneracy as normal will have a negative impact on children and the family structure as a whole. >They ask what normal is and snicker to themselves. >I autistically say, something that atleast 51% of the population participates in or finds morally acceptable. >they go off on rant about how morals vary by location, culture, etc. >I have no rebuttal. >they laugh to eachother and say they won the argument and call me an ignorant trump supporter. >Feelz breddy bad
tl;dr Got btfo by Bernouts over discussing degeneracy.
Talking about normal behaviour is always tricky, rather talk about acceptable or decent. Ask why glorifying homophillia is any better than glorifying homophobia
Isaiah Ramirez
> be at a party back in HS > drunk latina chick from class starts talking to me > "why do you support the SD user, you are so niceeee" (for those of you who don't know, the SD aka the Sweden Democrats is a social conservative and nationalist party polling at 20% as we speak) > tell her I support them because they are the only ones seeking to restrict immigration and deport criminal foreigners > "not all immigrants are criminals user" > "I never said that. They are hugely overrepresented though" > "why do you blame all immigrants then?" > "I don't, I'm just stating facts in order to solve a problem" > "are you calling all immigrants a problem???" > "no I'm not, but obviously there is some problem when the majority of our prisoners are from the middle east and north africa, when said demographic is barely a tenth of our population" > "SO YOU ADMIT YOU ARE RACIST user?!!!!?" > "I'm not." > she walks back inside pissed as fuck > I continue my discussion with three other party attendants, two of whom are from MENA > they tell me they see my point, that my friend is overreacting etc. > tell them I want to solve an issue, not persecute all foreigners for being foreigners > "cool user, I totally get that! Do you have a lighter for my cigarette?"
Jace Cooper
They would probably say that I shouldn't have the right to deny someone their personal choice in their sexuality.
Asher Mitchell
Well do you? No shame in that, just be honest, people usually respect you more if you stand up for what you believe in.
Aaron King
>fell for the moral relativism meme
if there was a country where murder was normal, would that murdering someone in that country moral?
obviously not unless you're a braindead liberal faggot
Jayden Lee
Oh they know I am against gay marriage. I don't care if two grown men want to fuck eachother, I just don't think it should be forcefed to us and normalized by the ZOG tv networks and media.
Noah Harris
(OP) >fell for the moral relativism meme
if there was a country where murder was normal, would that make* murdering someone in that country moral?
i fucked up
Logan Roberts
I need some ammo guys, I need to have a rebuttal to these stupid arguments!
Jason Torres
>they go off on rant about how morals vary by location, culture, etc. That doesn't mean some cultures aren't better than others. Fucking hell OP, my idiot friend figured that out in high school.
Nolan Walker
Dude these people believe there are no differences between European whites and south African blacks... You think they would have accepted that as an argument?
They would have said "who am I to say what is better?"
Brandon Robinson
Use a ridiculous example like India's culture of open defecation.
Carson Clark
Claim the middle ground, call them extreme for wanting to normalize behaviour that only a tiny minority engages in. Ask if they would find it okay if Mormonism was constantly propagandized in tv and media.
Robert Brooks
>tfw I always destroy lefties and have them agreeing with me by the end of the argument
You just need to ask a bunch of questions that exposes their double think or hypocrisy. It's also a huge advantage to frame things in a way that appeals to their emotion. For example, when you talk about something like the minimum wage, don't say that it's not the government's place to legislate how much someone pays their employees in an agreed upon contract. It's the truth, but you'll stump these morons by instead talking about how raising the minimum wage leads to less jobs for the lower class and that making a meager wage is better than no wage. When talking about Muzzies, don't call them backwards hillbilly retards that follow a dumb as fuck religion. It's the truth, but you'll be more successful taking a position that protects women's and gay's rights (even if you don't give a shit).
Your argument should have been about how it's wrong that the media is conditioning people to believe certain things, not about homosexuality being degenerate. You're right, but you're fighting a battle against people who are shallow and emotion driven. Your arguments need to appeal to their superficiality, and it's really not hard to do.
I can give more examples of how to frame arguments if you give me other topics.
Kayden Powell
You're a fucking retard that tried to bite more than you could chew.
Easton Green
the next time open gay porn on your cellphone and make them watch
this arguments are always stupid cause the people arguing for moral relativism and freedom don't have a fucking clue about why people call gays degenerate, they think its because they are men in love with men, rather than because fags fuck inbetween them because nobody else would ever do the degenerate and sadistic things they get off too
being a fag is about giving up life in favour of an eternal orgy of shit and blood
if you just love men but want to have missionary position sex with them then you are not a fag, just a weirdo, but fags are dangerous, bloodshit-fucking is about death
Austin Phillips
Morality isn't relative. The entire world has many shared laws. The world has many parts of a shared culture.
Homosexuality and feminism are not things the world shares.
Liam Ross
>>they laugh to eachother and say they won the argument and call me an ignorant trump supporter.
they were gonna do this regardless
you can make the most cogent and comprehensive argument and they will then bring up a small unrelated point with a smug smile on their face while you're standing there wondering "wtf has that got to do with anything? did they just lose interest in what we were talking about? wtf happened here?"
Brayden Harris
This is actually very helpful. I find it hard sometimes because normally I like to use logic and statistics but this is helpful.
Okay. Immigration - "here in America we are all immigrants. White people stole the land and commited genocide"
slippery slope - "there is no correlation to pedophilia being introduced after homosexuality is normalized by society."
Xenaphobia - "You are just afraid of the unknown. You don't want to give up your white supremacy privilege."
Hudson James
Normally I win the arguments but didn't have any ammo so unfortunately you are correct.
Nathan Nelson
It happens bud. You will get better at formulation arguments.
>build up your knowledge base and social skills. You will be able to hold your own.
Easton Nelson
I can only debate in text form because I'm autistic and it takes me way longer to process shit than everyone else.
Cooper Harris
Homosexuality is something to be accepted, but not encouraged.
By encouraging it they would fall in the same "mistake" homophobic raysis fall, forcing your own ideals on people.
Adam Johnson
>White people stole the land and commited genocide" Wait? Are you saying immigrants will stole our land and genocide us? Lol, you are a bigger nazi than i am, familiam, no listen, your fears are justified, but i don't think theyll go that far, only our jobs, and you know whats worse? They are illegal! Meaning they don't have social security or job security, or anything! Where are their rights? Fucking nazi democrats corporatists let them in so they can exploit them, we need to get them rights by legalizing them and closing our borders to anymore slave-worker importing!
Chase Cook
Very good! these people do formulate their opinions around emotions and social acceptance so this is a great formula.
Joseph Garcia
>I autistically say, something that atleast 51% of the population participates in or finds morally acceptable. >they go off on rant about how morals vary by location, culture, etc. >I state how every culture in the world has had a negative view of homosexuality since the beginning of time >The SJWs break down into tears and drown in puddles of their own piss and menstruation blood as I walk away like the badass I am.
Luis Green
you just have to meme harder than them, and if they call you sth you laugh, and then mirror it back
if they say you are a nazi, wait for a chance to call them "nazier than you", not "you are the nazi" but "you are one bigger than me". That way you highjack his memes. People are gonna think you are a nazi, but he is a bigger one, so this is a situation in which all solutions are nazi, but yours is lesser.
The same with every other kind of name-calling, just mirror it back and you end up looking stronger.
Alexander Allen
Ask them why it is an absolute rule that there are no absolute rules.
Isaiah Reed
more than half find homosexuality acceptable in the US.
>You are just afraid of the unknown. You don't want to give up your white supremacy privilege. I assume this is about refugees. Though if it's about wetbacks you can direct the fault to the mexican government for failing them.
"On the contrary! I love diversity, but i don't think we should assume the same for the migrants. They are coming to a foreign land, with a foreign language, with a completely different culture, and that is bound to take a toll on them! We can see that with the violence and segregation among locals and immigrants.
Yes, we you can insist we take them in all day, but the fact is, deep inside they just want to be able to live peacefully and freely in their own land, because that's the place where their hearts are. So rather than taking them in for an instant but superficial relief, i want our efforts to be directed towards giving them their countries back and letting them go back. We have the power to do so."
Aaron White
>arguing about morals >because being a trump supporter is about having morals
Sebastian Torres
>arguing with retards
Isaac Garcia
Maybe if you can't defend yourself during an argument then you shouldn't be so vocal about it.
Elijah Perry
>You just need to ask a bunch of questions that exposes their double think or hypocrisy. This. Keep asking innocent sounding questions and you'll get them to reveal the hypocrisy or contradiction eventually. If they're truly right, then there would be no hypocrisy and you'd have learned something new without looking like an idiot/hypocrite yourself for changing your mind. If they're wrong, they'll contradict themselves and they can't say anything bad about you because you were just asking questions innocently
Brayden Richardson
except its not true. ancient greeks. thai ladyboys etc.
Hunter Thomas
unless the other person is an idiot, you are gonna get punched if you do this, its a very very insulting and patronizing thing to do
Julian Parker
But my white friend that is basically the Socraric method and has been used for thousands of years to get to the bottom of an argument.
Lucas Fisher
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Jonathan Howard
How do you picture the innocent sounding questions, exactly? You're not just sitting and saying "why why why why", you just get the other person to explain, then appeal to their common sense putting them in certain scenarios that expose the contradictions.
Example >All mexicans are humans and border control is raysis! So you think there should be absolutely free movement of people >Yay! Okay, so, How do we go about opening up jobs for everyone? Because if you allow uncontrolled immigration i guess millions of mexicans would come to work for better wages in dollars and all that. >uh huh?
That's when you take the opportunity and call them idiots because they are talking about shit they don't even know about.
One easy way to kill muslim apologists is asking them about the Cairo declaration of human rights. 99% of the time they just won't fucking know, and you can ridicule them for not even knowing what they are defending.
Elijah Cooper
>Libfag says that morality is relative >So you're saying Hitler did nothing wrong?
Charles Gutierrez
says the lefty faggot
> Cat argue > resorts to violence
William Richardson
>working on Sunday
First, get a new job user.
Why did you get misled by their strawman? They are shifting the frame of the discussion to try to confuse you and it worked. Just discuss what's normal in US/Western society. Or bring up how it's normal in Afghanistan for grown men to molest little boys for sexual pleasure. Ask them if that's "normal" or non-degenerate. If they say yes then report them to the manager/HR or something. Make sure you're recording this conversation.
Samuel Lewis
And tell them they have no right to dictate what can or can not be said. And tell them sex is degenerate unless it's within marriage and ultimately for producing and raising well-adapted children who will contribute to society.
