Why haven't we bought our own island and started a new sovereign state yet Sup Forums?

why haven't we bought our own island and started a new sovereign state yet Sup Forums? privateislandsonline.com/

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No pecunia, cabròn.

You'd have to lay down fiber optic cables and shit in order to get internet porn. Too much work.

Id do it. Plantation growing every drug known to science

Buying an island is no different than buying a house and land.
Sure you own it but it's still subject to the laws of the host. Unless you have a strong military right off the bat, they won't much like you succeeding.

Literally no islands exist that are not claimed by a nation. In not 1786 anymore Irishbro.

Micronation fantasy roll play elsewhere.

Would I get internationally recognized by Russia and their allies if I recognize Crimea as theirs?

Trump always talks about picking up one of these rundown factories on the cheap, and make some sweet coin when he gets elected. Would be a cool project with some MAGA bros

sealand did it! don't they only have like fifty people or something. and a monarchy,

Too many factors come in play
You can't just buy an island and go "Fuck yeah, this is the perfect utopia now"
You need a way to feed the inhabitants, women to sustain the society, a source of energy, a military to protect your country from pirates and other such threats, also the chance of getting submerged in case of a tsunami or something, etc

and some streets to poo on right?

That's because it was built illegally during WW2 in international waters.
UK has no territorial claim to it.

A strong military in the middle of the ocean you say..

Hey, is Ben "I'll turn their diamonds into ashes, carry them into battle with us" Garrison up to one more mission?

that comes under the "et cetera" part at the end of my statement

>women to sustain the society
kek, I haven't even thought about that.
It would be a real sausage fest.
What few women there are would probably end up running the place. It would become a matriarchy. Like in The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress.

Because tfw no doggerland

>Literally no islands exist that are not claimed by a nation
really? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations

Exactly, since the demand (sex) is high and the supply (women) is low, they'll use it in their favor to get things done for them
That's how women are, so unless someone has a good idea on how they can solve that problem, this "perfect utopia" thingy is always going to fail

that would be a non problem if you bought an island off the coast of BC here in Canada, you get that sweet fishing and easy hunting.

women would come with the rest of the people who want to live there. maybe after setting the island up a bit, you could only take in say married couples and families and such. everyone else, single people etc would follow after

and say all single men who want in on the island have to either put up money for infrastructure, like richfags, or join in the military for X amount of time

and the tsunami bit... well that's just infrastructure or choosing a good island? there's got to be some sciencefags for that idk

WELL CANT WE JUST claim we built it illegally too. or do we have to wait for another world war?

fishing and hunting are okay for a population that's very very low, as more people come in, the demand for food will increase and the resources (animals and fish) wouldn't be enough to satiate all of the inhabitant's needs and would run out soon
And don't say farming, because although that's a good idea for a sustainable, renewable food source, it'll only work in the long run (about 6 months after you plant the seeds) so what about until then?

I'm not saying that its impossible but it'll just take a lot of money to do and the potential risks in the long run outweigh the benefits by a little

Location. It's not within UK territorial boundaries.
Might be able to pull the same thing off elsewhere but then you have to find places that aren't claim/officially recognized as being claimed.

Why can't we just agree to do what Isis is doing with the whole sex and drug trafficking to procure some funds

Then we'll have a wait-list to live on the island. To drum up interest. In the mean time, you plant as soon as you get there to farm, and hunt and fish while you wait for things to grow.

But I mean come on, there's got to be some science types who want to live on nationalism island. People who have studied bio and chem and other stem shit that we could pair with rich people who also want to live on the island, so we can start off strong and make windmills and pipelines for freshwater and shit like that

It would definitely be expensive ya, you're right about that. I don't know if the risks would outweigh the benefits tho. It would be all over the news that so many people want to get on this tiny island with nothing to show for it, no cars or internet or anything, in order to escape social rule being forced on them. Maybe some higher up types would finally understand our feelings

How would we do that, realistically... I read in a Pilger book that the US pays warlords to keep the Afghani people oppressed and to fight the Taliban, who he says oppose what the US is doing to their people. They paid something like 11 million one year total? He said in 2005 the US taxpayers paid for all the Taliban chiefs salaries

anyway that doesn't seem like that much money, and you'd have to be a warlord yourself with some clout in order for the us to want to buy you off.

are there any afghani pol fags living in other countries? who can still return to Afghanistan to procure funds?

You also have to worry about niggers or sandniggers coming in as migrants after hearing about the island from the news coverage that it might get, which is why I said that you need to have a structured law-based government that has laws for immigration and every such aspect
People say monarchy but I can already see autistic Sup Forumsacks infighting about who gets to be the king

You're right about the monarchy bit.... well, can't it just be whoever paid for the island? or whoever they choose? Or a council of polacks who all paid equally for the island, and also the people contributing the bulk of the funds towards fixing it up?

That's why it should be a secret underground island for a while. Maybe you could say it's just for camping with buddies, something like that, but really we're setting it up to live in. I mean, why would migrants come to the island? There would be no money to give them, no handouts. Everyone would have to work for the first many generations.

If it's a private island, wouldn't the owner(S) control who gets to come on it? If we chose an island with natural borders, and dug out one area as entrance/exit, we'd have a much easier time controlling people sneaking onto the island.

And again about the law enforcement bit, I bet we could just make that single men who want to live on the island right away but have to money to contribute to high ring engineers and scientists, or paying off part of the island, ect.

oh, another issue i'd like to raise is property rights. If one or a couple people purchased an island together, how would be break up the land for private houses?

Construction of houses would be an issue too
Where would you get the cement, construction equipment etc to build it?

on that site linked above there are some developed and partially developed islands and peninsulas. I think I saw one with a full condo built on it, but that was off the coast of florida. Is it florida? the little dick hanging off the US?

but yeah, as for other homes.... I mean, I guess people who want to live there could buy up sections of the island from the person who bought the whole thing, but in the contract you would put it's just buying the right to live there. Also, that way people could buy as much or as little property they need, so larger families would buy more.

And people could have supplies shipped to the island before they lived there. So they'd spend a few years building a house for themselves and shipping over cables and wires and generators, etc.

Just a thought, if we got an island and then built a "parliament hill" or a government building, an international embassy, a military base, etc right off the bat... wouldn't we be taken more serious right away? like forget about building houses first. build that stuff, and a lab and a school. we'd look more in shape.

That's what I think too
Instead of going for a >muh perfect Sup Forums utopia

You can just use satellite internet, it's been around for decades, it just costs like 30% more than cable, the speed cap is better though. Europe is already entirely covered, but honestly I'm skeptic about Sup Forumsonies on islands or on any kind of object that can be surrounded and easily reduced to dust by a coordinated attack. Gargantia is the way IMHO.

This could be done surprisingly easy, the only obstacle is that most people on here are too pussy to actually take part in something like this so it'll never happen.

If it's in BC, you don't even need an island; we are huge and empty here. Just buy land in the Chilcoltin, or further north -- you can't really get any more remote than here.

Yeah, I think that would be best.

If it is so easy, get it started! I'll join in right away. I'm not a scientist or technician or anything, I don't make a lot of money (literal poorfag) but I'm a farmer, I can build houses and do plumbing work and can hunt and fish. I'm also used to farming in all conditions, from snow all year round to tropical climates.

Also, I have two sons and a daughter I could bring over once everything is set up - and one of my sons is, in fact, a scientist type. he does some sort of bio chem thing

I used to live in BC but on vanc island, when I was younger my mum worked up as an isolation nurse. she says there are in fact a lot of thriving communities up there in the top of BC? some scientist/observatory bases, etc

and the natives.

correct me if i'm wrong

The problem is how do you deal with other countries who will inevitably invade you? think about it, once you create a sovereign nation nobody is stopping others from declaring war on you, especially if you plan to base your nation on ideals free from the chains of globalization and mainstream mentality, they will regard you as terrorists like it or not, even if you did nothing wrong, you're still a threat and they will use their tools to remove you asap. Islands aren't safe, it won't last long, you can still try if you have a solid plan though (making allies beforehand for example is not a bad idea, still, whether you can really trust anyone in the first place is an issue that you should not underestimate).

But what if instead of calling the island a sovereign nation you could just act like its just a small island settlement made by some good friends that don't have much interest in trade or whatever and just want to live out their lives
The kikes and other nations/groups won't pay much attention to it if they think that you're just harmless settlers
They'll only start paying attention if you start advancing too much and start indulging in trading and so on

Because we're poor and lazy, ayyy lmao

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and we're also autistic, don't forget

>But what if instead of calling the island a sovereign nation you could just act like its just a small island settlement made by some good friends that don't have much interest in trade or whatever and just want to live out their lives
kek someone brought up a similar point last time, "governments cannot possibly be interested in a bunch of neckbeards who just want to live alone!!" but sadly it doesn't work like that, it's not that easy to create a nation, otherwise there would be million countries all around the world where people live the way they want. If you decide to live under an existing flag, you've to respect that flag's laws (this including paying taxes, respecting construction's regulations and a lot of other bureaucratic stuff), if you want to make your own flag, then be prepared to be enemy of the whole world. Unless you somehow magically manage to get NATO and UN to recognize you as rightful settlement, you'll be 100% on your own. If you manage to get them as your allies, you've to abide to their will/laws anyway.

>satellite internet
>ping of 1,000 at all times
NO

how much could a government intervene on what some random neckbeards do on a private island? it wouldn't be so private then

I mean of course you would pay taxes if you're under another flag, and apply for construction permits, etc, but it's not like they can check up on you to see you've built things exactly the way you said you would. especially if you're not making money off of it