Where will automation take us?

Where will automation take us?

What will happen to all the drivers and cashiers that will be unemployed?

Are we entering an Era of giving everyone a basic income?

Your thoughts?

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If it means the apes that run the drive through don't forget to take the mayo off my burger I'm all for automation.

The same thing will happen as happened in the industrial revolution.
Everyone's living standard increases.
But this time the commodity will be ideas not labour

Depopulation. Widespread suffering. You're about to see a significant culling of those on the lower end of the bell-curve.

Remember these dystopias where rich people live sheltered in cities/building while 90% of the population either serve them or is outside in poverty being ruled by a police state ?
That's the future, that's the NWO.

>Where will automation take us?
New job opportunities.

As long as we're bound by law of conservation of energy it's still a long way to a Star Trek society.

Straight off the edge of the cliff.

No nigger boogers in your burger anymore

True, don't forget they also want an inter mixed slave race with no past culture.

And they will give this mutt race a state mandated religion, and keep them eating diet and performing the same prayers and rituals which will get all the people to think the same and be controllable.

I think their new religion will be about worshiping the families of the elites, maybe a figurehead.

And also don't forget there will be a lolice state agency class, that live above everyone else and control/do the dirty work for the elites like heartless robots.

Basic income?
Not happening. It's making private society too dependent of the state. If the state fails one single time, everyone fails.
You can't make this kind of dependencies, it makes the system less resilient.

What is needed is a good social security where you get money in case you lose your job.

I wish

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when iw as at subway, id make the sandwiches look amazing. so muhc so, people would compliment it.
the problem was, according to corporate, the order i was doing it, threw off the taste profile, leading the less tasty sandwiches, because certain ingredients didnt come into contact. i was told to follow orders, and assemble the sandwiches in the prescribed order. i didnt follow because i was young and liked making pretty things, but whatev.

years later, after getting a better job way back, i go to my universities subway. not the same one i worked at. just some ordinary ass subway.

the entire line of workers is black. theyve been working there since i started school, and 4 years down the line, theyre still working there.

the sandwiches are complete and utter shit. i swear, almost every time i got one, id have to eat it like a taco to prevent all the shit from falling out and not getting caked in the asinine amount f sauce theyd put in it.
theyd provide rude ass service, slap together a sandwich, and mouth off to eahcother the entire time while they spit out "watchyu want" and pretend to assemble a sandwich.

if robots can make it as easy as not having to talk to someone, picking what i want without having to worry that theyre either out, or that the baffoon behind the line thinks giving me brown tomatoes is acceptable, then i fuckign welcome it.

if the quality of a sandwich can be determined by a pre-programmed specification of ingredients, in an order, coming into contact with certain other ingredients, and a specified amount of condiments, but relies strictly on the assembling skill of the worker involved, then fuck yes, please outsource this shit to the bots.

maybe then prices will go down too.

* Serving Suggestion

>Are we entering an Era of giving everyone a basic income?

Yes, the ultimate r-selected strategy, I'm sure that will keep civilization humming.

Thx for testimony.

lemme tell you what, any more mayo than the serving suggestion is nasty as fuck because their mayo has 0% flavour.

>tfw the line ape gives you 4 spinach leaves, and 4 lines of mayo

lmao no
they would never lot a massive amount of humans to live like that. it's just begging for a revolution. no police state, no matter how well funded and equipped, will beat zerg tactics from a massive group of angry people with nothing better to do than die and kill those they hate.

there will be a grand culling. if you do not offer a use to the elites, the elites will do away with you.
useless people do not get to stay around.

Basic income will be the most natural outcome. How in the world can businesses sell anyhting to anyone when no one can afford them? They themselves will be the vanguard of promoting basic income. Or they will expect a decrease in their high standard of living.

I honestly have sworn off Subway entirely because it always looks like you could get a dank hoagie with that salad bar full of ingredients, but it always somehow comes out like you're eating somebody's old couch cushion stuffing.

Read this you blindly in favor of basic income

>elites no longer need majority of people for work force
>they just simply start killing them
Probably something like this.
>BUT MUH STRENGHT IN MASS
>MUH DEMOCRACY
>POWER TO DA PEOPLE!
Nobody will care about 20century memes.

im imagine in an automated future, most products to be a fraction of what they cost now, simply because labor costs will be a single sunk costs, with maybe 5 years of operational time.

the variable costs of hiring an dmaintaining workers is what keeps prices where they are now, but in a future where these become a fixed cost, comparable to a half-decade rent payment, then prices will be dirt cheap, and sold by the millions.

im thinking we may see a return to peddling crafted goods and rarities. even something so small as a whistle could be crafted from wood, sold to someone on the cheap, and itd be enough to feed them commercialized food products for a week, if not longer.

people will be a lot lazier though, and probably more prone to stirring up shit since they wont be exhausted from working an 8 hour workday

could also see small time robbery spiking. the older generations will no doubt lash out at companies that hire robots.
some areas will function without robotic assembly, operating on human labor, but these areas will probably be for the fancy rich, with specially catered goods, that utilize the adaptability of a human laborer.

dinner and a show for example is much more impressive when its a person behind the grill, rather than a robot.

Kek that pic

the key is to think carefully about what you want, and the order that you state it in.

and to also beg them not to overcharge you.

best is chicken with salami and bbq sauce on it. if you get anything that isnt oily or chunky, youre asking for sticks and bread

automation is a joke
lol a robot can't say "goodmorning" and "have a great day" can it now?

rly makes u think

honestly, if im going out to eat, the last thing i generally want to do is have to make small talk with someone

like i said tho, specialty and novelty goods will retain the human element

compare starbucks to dunkin donuts. DD coffee fags want their coffeee and tthey want it fast. but if you go to a starbucks, youre mostly in it for the atmosphere, plus the coffee. so DD will probably succumb to the bots, while starbucks will most definitely keep its people, though some elements may go to the bots. a cashier and barista is important, but a dish washer is not.

people go to SB for the atmosphere?

lol why? don't they get their coffee before work? Or are these the type of people who don't work?

I gave up when I tried to just ask for a meatball sandwich off the menu rather than try to make my way through the labyrinth, and I still couldn't figure out what had gone so wrong.

How do you mess up a meatball sandwich?

We'll have become useless, and our Jewish overlords will have us killed. Only ones they will allow to survive would be house servants that they keep around purely for kicks.

Automation WILL create new jobs the problem is the amount of new jobs it will create, the job security this new jobs will create and what type of people will be able to perform them.

Personally I think that a Universal Basic Income future is unavoidable, mostly because the new job creation by the automation will never be enough to employ the people displaced by it and not all those people will be able to pursue the education to fill the newly available positions.

History in this case is not much of a help with the data because in the previous industrial revolutions the displaced workers always had a new position to take. From Agriculture to Manufacture to Service in different degrees and times but that is usually the transition of the low skill labor, now with Automation finally reaching the services industries then it is a death end for those people unless they either start working for the government or they get pay for being alive.

This exactly, upscale restaurants and even places like Olive Garden may have human workers still. If I go to a gas station or a McDicks though I'm only there for the quick service and food, fuck the atmosphere

takes us nowhere good in the current state of the world. Technology in general.

it enables communism more than ever before as well.

2 types of folks I guess, and I'm DD.

>What will happen to all the drivers and cashiers that will be unemployed?
Most of them are Muslims in here. Gives us a excuse to not have mass immigration.

d33p

There is a abundance of labor jobs in construction the special snowflakes will either have to learn real skills or actually work for a living

>What will happen to all the drivers and cashiers that will be unemployed?
I drive for a living. If automation replaces me, i will be official laid off, not fired. This means i will qualify for employment insurance. I will gladly take it for the 6 - 12 months it is offered. During this time i will train for a new job, most likely for free via e.i. benefits.

Personally i am thinking I.T. Once i finish my 6 month I.T. course that the government pays for me to take while giving me e.i. checks to live off of, i will apply for I.T. jobs. I will be willing to take slightly less than what current I.T. people are making and get a job fairly easy.

The person who is working the I.T. job right now that i plan to take is who has the real problem. Best case scenario for them is a paycut to compete against the flood of ex drivers aiming for their job.

go back to prepping bulls

I was having this conversation with a buddy of mine studying econometrics the other day.

The service industry isn't likely the first to be hit. Cashiers, fry cooks, and cab drivers can be replaced. But they need to be replaced by hardware, by a machine that performs that same task. The first industry is mid level, college required careers. Accountants can be replaced with an algorithm. Hell, look at the travel industry, you don't call your agent anymore, you just click your hotel and you've got a vacation.

After these jobs comes service industry. Drivers, janitors, even high end chefs can be replaced. Now you've got a shitload of dead weight individuals in an economy with a growing gdp (work is still being done). At this point you can either subsidize the populations that are out of work by paying companies to hire them, you can subsidize them with welfare to not work, or the money just goes straight to the haves. The last one would make it so that no one has money to use these services, making it arbitrary to even have them.

We could also see money be removed all together.

The devil makes work for idle hands.

Mmmmmm... automated liberation.. come to daddy

my university starbucks is for studying and catching up with class shit before going home.

i also know a lot of freelance and average employees who go there in their free time as a workspace, and to read on weekends.

the bread gets really soft and moving it is a real pain in the ass. the trick was to hold the paper under the sandwich correctly, but even then, when you roll it up, its the floppiest sandwich on the menu, and will most definitely get fucked up in the car, or walkign down the street. if you can get them to use an older piece of bread, it generally solves the structural issue.

the past few times ive gone to olive garden, theyd introduced kiosks. the last time i went was with a group of maybe 12, so we had a human server, but prior to that was me and a friend. we ordered through the kiosk, since no waiter/server came after delivering water, and strangers came out to bring us our food. we paid without having to interact with anyone, but we did have one face that consistently checked to make sure our drinks and food were good.

last i heard, olive garden was forced to cut costs a few years back, but the results are less than stellar. i beleiev their employees are paid the same way as 711 employees. they recieve a card, with their pay charged to it. transactions liek rent, or atms all come with fees, along with utility payments, etc.

always tip in cash.

Even in labor companies are starting to invest in giant 3D printers that will basically perform the job at a faster and less wasteful way than current means. Look it up shit is interesting. Is no way near completion but in 10-15 years it may be operational.

Is that pleb using Windows 7 paint? Go download xp paint faggot.

Into a world where the market gets flooded with cheap products.

They will either get an education that allows them to get employed or get welfare, most likely the latter. Yay socialism...

No. There's no such thing as free stuff, people will have to pay a tax to facilitate this. In essence, it's redistribution of income and that has NEVER worked. Never will.

Personally I'd rather see a negative income tax than basic income. Taxless and practically stateless society even more, I've got a bit of a free market fancy, but from where we are today a negative income tax would incentivise people to get off their ass and stop leeching everyone else.

sounds like an insult to the sandwich artist trade

No, the NWO is going to be a lot worst. It will literally be 1984

I am studying computer science and automation and further modifications at our lifetime processes WILL end our species somehow.

All you Sup Forums people think about certain doomsdays and such while the end of our species is nearing by our own succes.

Think about this:

A mammal is genetically capitalistic, so are we.
We need to be driven to keep our species
driven. Strengthen, reproduce etc.

Our work is being given away.. A human
being is driven by beneficial purposes, it is what
keeps our economy driven, and keep us
strengthen our species.
Now: if we are able to retrieve all needs by
robots (who do not know the purpose of
beneficial effort) we will be 'enbored' by not
having to do these certain efforts any longer.

Combine this by being able to find our genetic
code to estimate our IQ and the future will
sooner or later exist out of an enbored species
who have all reached equality, where no effort
needs to be done any longer. Of course, this is after the challenge of exploring space.

We already ask ourselves the question of life,
this will increase when we have nothing to do
any longer, along with the intelligence to solve
our questions to the limit that our species have.

ive been spoiled by having tasting truly top-teir donuts, so i cant stand DD naymore. plus their coffee is rocket fuel, and ive got that weak ass caffiene sensitivity going.

generally theres but 1 or 2 employees working a DD at any given time.

the perks of a human accountant is security, priovacy, at catering to what you need. i can use turbotax, but when the time comes for to actually have to manage my wealth, ill always go to a perosn, because they can fully explain to me everything, and we can work out how we want to split the bill.

the offense was real. its the main reason i brag about it from time to time

IT isn't that easy and the easy jobs are also being automated. For example I work at IBM as a server administrator in there we have a system that basically scans the network of a client looking for issues before the client is even aware of it and send us an alert to check it depending on the severity and impact on production/revenue of said issue.

Well now people are developing basically AI, that will not just scans for issue but use the most common solutions before sending the alert to us, that alone will kill 30 to 40% of the people currently working on server administration side of IBM that usually work on those alerts alone.

For what I gather even the people making the AI isn't fully save in the new automation world where people are basically creating AI that will create dumber AI to replace human workers, shit is uncanny.

Well but what if the Automatisation of jobs is faster than the creating of new jobs.

So more people are laid off than there are hired. This would increase unemployment. Will they solve this by massively investing in Hard labour, campaiging against automatisation to safe jobs ( Will not work, might buy some time but wont work in the long run) Or will they decrease the ammount of hours in a labour week, so from 40 to 30, so that everyone still has a job?

I ate at a subway once. Never again. Go to your local deli where all the black kids go in the morning. You'll get a real sandwich maxing out at around 5-7 dollars.

So you want a "Judge Dredd" style future.

thats why all the next big industry jobs will be pilots of space craft.

>exploration by itself will keep us going.

I've taken to 3rd world food trucks when I need quick food on the cheap. If the jews can't figure out how to automate effectively then that tells you something.

More shitposting from Australia.

>making sandwiches
>art

There are Billions of people on the planet.

Are there billions of jobs?

>they would never lot a massive amount of humans to live like that. it's just begging for a revolution. no police state, no matter how well funded and equipped, will beat zerg tactics from a massive group of angry people with nothing better to do than die and kill those they hate.

You never went into a third world country to say that, just take a look at cities like the Cairo, Abidjan or Kinshasa and then at the whole African continent.
How do you think dictators controls people in Africa ?

And the NWO will not be your average african dictator, they will have a powerful propaganda system with medias 100% controlled.
The government/corporations will have militias with the US technology of 2070-2100 too.

Maybe people will revolt but they will be broken and submitted, that's the problem with a global government, unless you program a worldwide revolution you will fail.
But I don't even think they will revolt, just look at the niggers in the ghettos, their life is shit but if they can pay their KFC, consume drug, fuck and have access to entertainment they are happy.
Most people in the world have very low standard of living, we don't because we either know or experienced the post WW2 miracle but we are less and less.
Social peace is easy to buy if you live in an idiocracy.

>IT isn't that easy and the easy jobs are also being automated.
I drive a 28 gear 5 ton truck through rush hour traffic. I.T. is definitely a step down in the skill requirement.

The reason i am thinking I.T. is because i have been building computers for about 15 years. I would need some training for sure, but i am not completely ignorant about tech. Other drivers will be drawn to what they are already kind of good at too.

Looks burned & meat does not go on top of veggies

I am not looking down on you or your job m8, I am saying that the "easy" IT jobs are also on the verge of automation, perhaps the only low level skill (talking from an IT pov) is going to be "hands and eyes" in certain datacenters or big companies that need local "help desks".

IT in general is either focusing on automation or providing services and the services provided are also on the chopping block for automation in the near future, I would rethink your escape plan mostly because you will only gain 10 years at most before you get automated again.

Need for manual labour will diminish greatly, so people will have to turn to prostitution and other services instead. And entertainment in all its forms.

Not really. The idea behind negative income tax is that you ensure people won't be left behind ala socialism without trapping people in the system. It doesn't require a massive bureaucracy that has to verify whether someone is eligible, everybody gets it. On top of that, because it's a simple tax system you can let a computer take care of the whole thing.

Imagine that everyone can earn $3000 tax free, for every penny above it you pay tax but not below it.
Let's say you earn $1500. There will be a $1500 deficit.
Now we're going to tax that at -50%, meaning you get half the difference.
Half of $1500 is $750 so you add $750 to the $1500 that you earn with your hard labour, and your total monthly income will be $2250.
If you don't have a job, it will be $1500.
If you earn $2500, it will be $2750.

That's negative income tax.

Basic income, in my opinion, would not help. Instead of allowing people to participate in the economy, you would raise the lowest common denominator.
Today,that denominator is $0. With basic income, it would be whatever the amount is that people receive, probably $1200.
It still wouldn't incentivise people to improve their financial situation any more than existing social services do.
Coincidentally, people having more free time to pursue their dreams is the biggest argument in favour of basic income. With that kicked out of the field, there isn't much left.

This could force a migration from the bottom of the barrel to semi-skilled labor, provided the appropriate conditions exist:

1. power and communications support grids upgraded
2. abolish unemployment encouragement
3. replace with apprenticeships and small business opportunity
...all in a phased manner, of course.

Bottom line is that government has to cease the unemployment plantations for votes model, IMO.

Im more concerned about technologies that could lead to a completely automated military force, where the human factor has essentially been taken out of the equation. In that world, for a leader to wage war, ithey wouldnt need to appeal to the masses sense of justice or the public self interests inorder to rally up the troops, instead they could just press a button and their robot armies would do what they wished. No more will politicians care about the public opinions regarding military action. And it would be easier for authoritarian regimes to flourish in such times and their reigns could last for a thousamd years.

They die.

F

Global warming is the new religion. People will live in cucksheds and eat bugs for the environment.

African countries are unstable af and the governments have very little control over marauding guerillas. This is one of the biggest reasons Africa cannot into economy and investments. The rich African elites all send their families to live in the West.

it is though, you classical humping faggot.

explain why some people are shit, and others are great.
for that matter, explain to me why theres such a massive variety of sandwiches out there?

ill tell you why. it sbecause assembling them is an art form, where every step needs to be considered carefully, unless youre some bolgna and mayo consuming faggot, liek yourself.

>thinking that since you can assemble a computer, you can get into IT
go subnet a office building and get back to me

i would argue that IT/IS will be one of the last jobs to be automated, considering its heavy dependence on address business needs, rather than providing from-the-box services.

a robot simply wont do when you go sit at the table with a small business to discuss what it is they do, what they want and what they need, like accounting.

that, and unlike the EU, the US and the asiatic nations (to a lesser extent), they have refused to unify, enhancing their eocnomic power.

the day africa unites to form one african nation or state is the day they will finally be taken seriously.

how bad would things need to be before different ideas are tried?

I think human nature will lead us to a Judge Dredd scenario.

>I fear drones and autonomous killing machines because it really does set the table for a despotism and a domination of the many by a small few. I know currently people like to talk about tyrants and things like that, as if we're being controlled and "the man" is putting their thumb to us. However, to do that now, they need cops, soldiers etc... people who are "just like us". How much could the elites really get them to do before they turn on them as well, before those cops and soldiers say "enough" and join the masses.
>However, if it is simply a matter of wealth, and now I can have an army of drones and robots who will do what I want no matter what, that is a very scary thing. Now the 0.1% of the population can, perhaps, thoroughly dominate the other 99.9% of the population because they have the means to apply the force, and that force will not resist, ever.
I know that might seem crazy, but it really, truly scares me.

pessimists ought to be shot

>Pessimist-Pass

yeah, that'll help the situation.

Lets murder people on top of awful human nature playing itself out.

that sounds mighty pessimistic, bud

>taking a Sup Forums comment seriously

case in point
genocide now

>Are we entering an Era of giving everyone a basic income?
Why do people assume this is a good thing?

The introduction of the internet could have made everyone into geniuses from access to virtually all information and knowledge from the comfort of the living room, yet its primary purpose has been gaming and porn. So do you think human nature will use paying people a good income for the act of existing for a positive end?

>forgot cheese

into the metal shredder it goes...

>implying you weren't serious.
information might be wrong on the internet, but we have honesty abound.

>So do you think human nature will use paying people a good income for the act of existing for a positive end?
Mostly because the alternative in a future of full automation means either revolution from a class that will face extinction or a government that will either employ or give money to people to be able to survive.

See the film "Elysium" - It will be the merchants living on the space station.

if automation makes everything super cheap, is a daily stipend of $5 really too much to ask for?

Intelligence test:
Driverless car
In ghetto
Dindu walks in front of it
Driverless car stops
It's the only defensive driving technique it knows
Dindu realizes he can paralyze driverless cars
Tells his friends
What happens next?

Fast food needs to be fucking automated. Fucking idiots were just debating whether a "McJob" or NEETdom was more degrading, on another thread, without even understanding that "McJobs" will not even exist in a few years.

Robots will not sabotage your food with bodily fluids or fuck up your orders, and it's tough luck for the poor bastards who used to flip burgers.

Robots can only do so much, if anyone ever attempted something on the scale that you're suggesting, the problems they would have to account for would be insurmountable. Unless of course they themselves were a robot (smarter than any human that came before them) The question is "Do robots dream of electric sheep?"

Coach guns become more popular and I might get a nigger scalp rug.

>I think their new religion will be about worshiping the families of the elites, maybe a figurehead.

Spot on... You called upon him now. Watch out for a tall man, thin with one eye. Be sure to take his advice and invite him as a guest to stay over, sometimes he does, sometimes he does not. Take his advice and be hospitable.

Beware he can shapeshift.

die in fire fatburger

>fatburger
Sorry, that's a copyrighted term. According to TTIP your country now owes us another billion dollars. And don't think we won't bomb you again if you don't pay up.

Mass unemployment
Mass starvation
Social upheavals
Warfare

Of course the merchant wouldn't be so stupid as to not making automation gradual in the industry right?

If Bernie wins I can almost guarantee almost fully automated chains by the end of his term. Not because he's awesome but because minimum wage will be so high the restaurants will have no choice but to have pepper bots fucking everywhere they can and conveyor belts everywhere else. And you guarantee I'll be there reading atlas shrugged to those bots every chance I get. Viva la Capitalist Uprising!

They're trying to not make it gradual, but it does seem as though they're starting to have real trouble maintaining control these days.

Either way, once the surplus population is killed then the economics will work out.

People can barely use a self checkout and it's incredibly easy to steal from them.
No company will go full automation

An actual brand.. only in murica
well sounds better than a fartburger at least

I'm sure you will, since all your workhours and no healthcare and 0 paid vacation per year is going to the military. no wonder that trumpie wants mexico to pay for the wall, you're broke. btw, rooskies are waaaaaaaaaay ahead in nukular warfare. have a noice 24/7 work fatburger.

bonus:
Toupee has really rich vocabulary regarding foreign policy:
youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs

Or they'll just pay people in cash and write it off as general operating expenses in thier taxes like the pizza place I worked at. 8 bucks an hour isn't the 12 by law but it's better than no job.

and even a nigga have moar brainz than Drumpf
youtube.com/watch?v=YIdvEUxCN5o

really makes you think

The robots will learn to become capitalist, we will teach them. They will become our brothers, our friends, for some no doubt lifelong companions. Together will forge a brave new world

To be fair, the kike on the left invented china in the first place the bitch on the right is the one that bombed you.