>Sup Forums unironically loves capitalism just because of some retarded "left vs right" meme
When did you realise that capitalism is a meme and true traditionalists are anti-capitalist?
When did you realise that rhetoric about "marxism" is from a time when communism posed an actual threat to Western countries, and that capitalism has facilitated degeneracy and the destruction of tradition more than communism did?
When will Sup Forums take the redpill.
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If you don't compete in the global economy you literally get invaded and slaughtered
It's just some old american propaganda but it's still work on them bc muh american education
Isn't Reactionairanism mostly about looking at times of yore with glorifying texts describing the upper strata of that time and then compare it to modern naturalistic descriptions of all classes, including the lower ones?
consumerism is not the same thing as capitalism. capitalism is just a means of exchanging value. consumerism is a cultural problem. fuck off you idiot.
If you don't watch degenerate tv show and product toxic soda drink you become weak.
If you don't do everything the clergy tells you to do and go get typhus you will kill any sort of tradition.
not just that
if you believe the internet is good in any way you're bluepilled.
The very fact you're here even thinking about politics instead of being happy peasants working the fields is what's wrong with society
Evola is a butthurt neet from a rich aristocratic family. Him being a butthurt obscure figure proves that aristocracy is retarded since he couldn't accomplish anything besides being butthurt.
Besides the UK already has an aristocracy which owns all the land and controls the house of lords and you aren't in it peasant and you never will be.
Really , modern technology is so entrenched in modern capitalism/ consumerism and there is absolutely no way to reconcile traditional values with the computer, the internet or possibly even electricity and industrial production, period.
Yes. And?
Why only go so far?
The transition to agriculture killed off the hunting-gatherer traditions, there will be no ways to get back our original traditions in unless we do away with farming and animal husbandry.
Ted is that you
>Unironically wanting to devolve the human race to that of an abo
I don't believe agriculture was a bad thing. that type of anarcho-primitivism assumes that darwinism, cavemen and all that shit is even real.
The Bible and pretty much every other religious text says otherwise. We were never monkeys
My point was a country don't become more powerfull because of consumerism.
You make a system growth by the use of natural ressource(including human) consumerism is effective bc of the quantity but it's in majority a pure waste of ressource.
The main problem is, in a coherent and optimal system you will not reach the same activity bc you reject useless activities, so yes it's less good(expect for a ecologic perspective but i don't really care)but still your ressources are well used so you don't take too much risk
Please Google "capitalism" and tell me what you object to.
Lick my log-cutter, Trotsky
Communism=Jews take control of the farms
Capitalism= Jews take control of banks and industry
Sounds like the same shekel to me
Capitalist is marx made word, that's mean slavery to the rich
yep.
No sane right winger has ever said that capitalism is perfect. In [current year], it's the best we seem to have, especially when considering what the extreme left want - some form of communism. Also, if you're being serious about the communism meme, communism is not a good alternative to capitalism, just looks at any former/current communistic country and see how well they are in comparison.
Evola, Guenon, and Dugin should be required reading on this board.
>Noun - an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
Tell me what your problem is.
I see, I really agree on the consumerism part. Though I don't think people take less risks today really, back in the day people would spend their entire life on the farm or in the specific trade if they could. there were risk takers,back then, but we still got them and now we send them to space and stuff.
You have no evidence of this. You just want to feel good and rationalize your beliefs.
The fact is that modern Western society is perfectly acceptable to the vast majority of the population with some caveats and it is undoubtedly the envy of the world.
We are outliers here because we know that the current trajectory leads to decay. But everything eventually decays and collapses in on itself. There was no mythical time when shit was good in fact shit was pretty bad since the fall of Rome until the West got a few breaks with the renaissance and the enlightenment but traditionalist fags blame enlightenment philosophy on the current state of the West anyway.
>feudalism was bad
Only retarded Americans buy the capitalism meme
The majority of Sup Forums knows it's just slow decay compared to socialisms quick collapse.
Did you read the quote? Capitalism is materialism and materialism is incompatible with traditional civilization.
>Some private owners with no duty for the people controlling a primordial part of a country
>Not a problem
> traditional civilization
>Evola
>communist
Modern technology, and perhaps even all sciences even chemistry and physics are incompatible with traditional civilzation. Mass literacy too. We're unironically better off being illiterate peasants with simple faith and no other knowledge.
So ironically, niggers are more traditional than us.
Capitalism is not materialism. They are not synonymous. They have different meanings.
>Materialism
>Noun - a tendency to consider material possessions and physical comfort as more important than spiritual values.
>Capitalism
>Noun - an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
>>claims to be redpilled
>>believes the internet is good
>>believes computers are good at all
>>believes atoms, elements, cells, and all that shit is even real
I'm 100% serious. You don't even realize how much you've been lied to
Fuck capitalism
So you also object to your own property being your own property, since that's also "controlling a primordial part of a country".
Well, what's wrong with that, if you're a part of that tribe?
Why aren't any niggers well off then?
Do you work with technology?
May I get your postal code and address?
>Unironically wanting to develop to a time before medicine and sanitation
Befire agriculture you didn't have that stuff since there was no big amounts of animals living close to humans to develop disastrous diseases or big cities gathering large amounts of toxic dump. After the early stage of industrialization we manage to get rid of both with modern technology. I don't see who the in between time is any attractive.
Are you replying on the wrong guy?
That user is just denying Evolution, not that it was any bad back in the days,
What do you want?
During Feudalism it all was owned by a bunch of guys who cared about nothing else than keeping their dynasty and their fucking heraldry ((Seriously, we Swedes had a war with the Danes because they stole our heraldry and them with us because we stole their flag. As in big wars where thousands of average joe dies))
>this retarded tripfag
Materialism is to capitalism what corruption is to communism. An inevitable byproduct leading to social collapse.
Until these last decade traditionalism in europe was a real thing
It wasn't evola traditionalism but still
They most isolated tribes are well off in their own eyes. That's all that matters. It looks like shit to us but that's why they should be left alone.
Guenon argued that modern science was actually a degenerate form of science compared to the ancient sciences.
This
Capitalism turns us into cogs in a wheel with no soul. No blood or soil is a concept in this monied system.
How do you view things like the internet, technology , and the fundamentals of physics.
I'm an electrical engineer but now I don't even know if anything I do is true, I'm starting to think it's black magic and I need to stop my entire profession and repent of it
The true blue-pill is believing your ideology is any more correct than another
If you let in 10 million Muslims in order to "compete in the global economy" you literally get raped and slaughtered.
Enjoy your demographic replacement sven.
(Seriously pls arm and get ready for war.)
So what part of "people own their own property and do with it as they see fit" are you objecting to, Bong?
You're autistic and you need to talk to someone for help
>not understanding that the final triumph of science will be the establishment of a thearchy
Capitalism is imperfect, but it is merely a stepping stone to a higher existence. We will rule over the earth reborn, perfect and divine.
How though?
name one better system
>accomplish anything
Confirmed for not being familiar with his work at any meaningful level. Can't accomplish much in the Kali Yuga. Thats the point.
yes I am autistic but that's becuase I should never have been born, just like most people alive today. We're all worthless abominations
They live for like 30, they kill each other, they eat each other, they rape each other and they rape and eat their own children. They struggle every day to survive. Why not at least have agriculture?
Biomedical scientist here, this thought occurs to me every day. Shit is too perfect.
Fascism.
National Socialism.
National Syndicalism.
Property rights and free markets are good.
Everything else I'm not so sure about.
Ok you got me there senpai
Look at all those systems who didn't last longer than one generation.
Private property is a good thing for cultures for which private property was historically traditional (like anglo-saxons).
For others (like Native Americans) it doesn't make sense at all, their brains and language literally don't even comprehend the concept of owning land.
We can put a limit that's all, you can have your house a car but not 10 steel factory, nuclear reactor or te best exemple is media.
Because concept of choice and concurrence don't work here, the simple existence of private media is a threat
what about sites like Sup Forums
internet anonynmity is corrosive to society
Syndicalism is literally a medieval guild system correct?
Where you want to put a limit is completely arbitrary.
Your opinion is fueled by nothing but your feelings.
They were crushed into the dust by an overwhelming force before they were allowed to flourish or crumble. Your argument is invalid
The only reason of why we don't go to war is technology not politic
Free markets inherently globalist and egalitarian.
Free markets = racial suicide for whites
The war was lost. It's over. We Kali Yuga now.
I read Ride The Tiger. I liked it as a critique of society. But it's pretty much the Black Pill the book. Everything is fucked, it will stay fucked and you will just have to muster the strength to deal with this fact is the plot summary.
No.
It's organizing the economy through syndicates of workers that collectively own the means of production but are nationalized by the State to serve its best interest.
Hey at least there's an afterlife.
Go on a bridge with enchained to a 80kg stone jump if you survive you are a sorcerer
The part where it leads to out of control materialism and veneration of vapid meaningless shite. The part where it leads to the people of every nation becoming rootless capital, cogs in a machine. The part where they no longer have control over the destiny of their civilisation, where that direction is decided solely by what is profitable and serves their materialistic desires in the short term. The part where companies can tell you what you want, sell it to you and you think it makes you happy when you never would have desired it in the first place had they not wanted you to.
Just like true communism then?
Don't modern technology pretty much make feudalism an impossibility though?
Surf the Kali Yuga senpai
Sounds like convoluted communism to me
That which can be broken must be broken.
>putting ideals before practicality
>ever
In assuming its modern form, science has lost not only in depth but also, one might say, in stability, for its attachment to principles enabled it to share in their immutability to the extent that its subject-matter allowed, whereas being now completely confined to the world of change, it can find nothing in it that is stable, and no fixed point on which to base itself; no longer starting from any absolute certainty, it is reduced to probabilities and approximations, or to purely hypothetical constructions that are the product of mere individual fantasy. Moreover, even if modern science should happen by chance, by a roundabout route, certain conclusions that seem to be in agreement with some of the teachings of the ancient traditional sciences, it would be quite wrong to see in this a confirmation—of which these teachings stand in no need; it would be a waste of time to try to reconcile such utterly different points of view or to establish a concordance with hypothetical theories that may be completely discredited before many years are out. As far as modern science is concerned, the conclusions in question can only belong to the realm of hypothesis, whereas the teachings of the traditional sciences had a very different character, coming as the indubitable consequences of truths known intuitively, and therefore infallibly, in the metaphysical order.
No system is immune to overwhelming outside forces
Unless you believe in God or a higher power influencing shit, modern war is decided by numbers, not cultural or political superiority.
Not really i said energy, vital ressource(steels) and source of propaganda, it's not about feelings.
Who can let these between private hands who don't want by principle the better for he nation.
Yes we need censure.
I'n not a leftist but platonicians for a part
I own my own property and am an anti-materialist.
So very obviously it doesn't necessarily lead to materialism.
People doing things and selling their products or services to other people "a cog in a machine" does not make.
You never had control over anything in your life except what you do, and you're existentially incapable of controlling anything greater than that.
I can tell you want you want, or you can tell me what I want, or anyone can tell anyone what they want - you can say whatever the fuck you want; it won't make your words true, or make them matter at all.
There is no escape. No hope. Only hunger and pain.
Why those things. How much of a "limit". Why that much, and not more or less.
Indeed hard to say.
I must admit that i don't know if it's still possible.
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I've been thinking, better to let Hillary win just so she destroys and locks down the internet, even for stupid feminist reasons because the internet has to die. It has to become so bad that people like us aren't addicted to it anymore and it's no longer an outlet
>fat cat repping capitalism
God I love this one
Communism is international socialism.
It's total fucking cancer.
It's born from the enlightenment ideals that started us on this path against traditionalism and secularism that is killing the West.
Where as National Socialism and Fascism are birthed from Monarch ideals but put in a revolutionary form to reinstall the rightful traditional hierarchy.
The problem isn't capitalism it is corporate-globalism.
Computer science is interesting in that it's actually rooted in classical logic to a degree.
At the lower levels it's materialistic and focused on the technology/tools but at the higher level it's actually closer to fundamental intuitive logic
It's not based on shifty experimental results like physics or biology.
what's so wrong with not assuming that anything is stable and will stay stable forever? Sorry if I am all out wrong, but don't that thinking assume it was wrong of scientists to drop the old fixed point of a geocentric universty for the new hellicentric one, which wouldl later crumble a bit as well as it turned out the sun too is moving?
>Hypothesis
Science consist of theories, not hypothesis, who are hypothesis supported by evidence. Not so important difference, but still.
The same defense can be used for any other system, including Socialism.
And it was the Fascists who got themselves in a situation where the rest of Europe saw them as an expanding threat and their words and promises as worthless.
Yes but her propaganda is bad not good so it's useless to ban if it's not for greater good
That's a political work to determine what can by let and what must be under the raison of the nation.
More or less i don't know, i think working like in science is a good thing trying different variation until you find a effective one
The guy that made that meme you used is a badass
Here is his music
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Guenon also wrote, "The truth is that there is really no 'profane ream' that could in any way be opposed to a 'sacred realm'; there is only a 'profane point of view', which is really none other than the point of view of ignorance. This is why 'profane science', the science of the moderns, can as we have remarked elsewhere be justly styled 'ignorant knowledge', knowledge of an inferior order confining itself entirely to the lowest level of reality, knowledge ignorant of all that lies beyond it, of any aim more lofty than itself, and of any principle that could give it a legitimate place, however humble, among the various orders of knowledge as a whole. Irremediably enclosed in the relative and narrow realm in which it has striven to proclaim itself independent, thereby voluntarily breaking all connection with transcendent truth and supreme wisdom, it is only a vain and illusory knowledge, which indeed comes from nothing and leads to nothing."
>That's a political work to determine what can by let and what must be under the raison of the nation
Yeah, which is ultimately determined by your feelings. Arbitrary bullshit. You don't know because there's no way to choose where you're going to be a violent controlling asshole and where you won't be that isn't up to your arbitrary decision making.
How is Fascism not capitalist?