Who here /Stage 4/ yet?

Who here /Stage 4/ yet?

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I dont know what to read or where to find it

I was stage 1 for the longest time but the things that have happened in the recent years have evolved me into stage 3.
Maybe I'll get to 4 some day

Been stage 4 for years

Was never stage 1 or 3. Went from libertarian to stage 4 and now I'm an anarcho-capitalist but recognize that traditionalism is the way to go if you must have a government.

stage 4's argument is shit

>because this is the definition of a constitution, I have the moral high ground

before Sup Forums i was between 2 and 3 now i'm 4

>anarcho-capitalist
>red-pilled

>tfw slowly moving towards stage 4

I never will. Stage 4 is not made for an industrial society, stage 3 exactly is. Fascism is basically the modern version of ancien régime traditionalism

I think you missed the point. He's saying that specific constitution is based on the false assumption that people are the same everywhere. Laws which work for the French would not work for the Chinese, for example, or for Arabs. You can't legislate for "humanity" as if we're homogenous, cultures aren't differently-coloured lego blocks that you can just swap and change as you please.

>step 4: i wish i was a serf for a king

I don't think I'll ever be this retarded.

These charts never show the stage 5. I think it's because almost nobody gets to it, and incidentally stage 5 on this chart would be the final stage of every other political alignment chart - inevitabilism. I think that's especially poignant for right wing ideologies because the traditionalist stage 4 has learned to recognize patterns in human behavior, has some understanding of the biological basis of them, but they've not yet expanded their observations to fit the modern world. They're still prescriptivists, rather than descriptivists, seeing human behavior as something that can be optimized rather than an uncontrollable force.

>who is Ted Kaczynski

what stops a liberal from just saying "thats racist" like they would to the first one? This argument falls apart when you realize liberals can use the same logic for that, that they do for every other argument that contains sentiments about race and culture. They would literally say "are you saying all people aren't fundamentally the same? Are you a fucking racist bigot saying a man in asia doesn't have the capacity for compassion like a frenchman would?

Libertarianism is the 3rd stage red-pill.

Communism is the 4th stage red-pill.

>it's the current year guys!

You're at stage .5, which is memespouting. I wasn't saying that. I can go into detail if you want but I think you're probably not going to be able to handle it. If you want to learn something about inevitability though read Glubb.

You're just a defeatist cuck masquerading as a realist.

Nothing, but liberals lose the argument when they pull that card so long as you're not weak or stupid enough to relent. Hold frame, double down, challenge them on their definition of racism. Typically, they'll try to dodge the question, eventually arriving at a definition that either doesn't include your argument or is self-evidently not a bad thing. And above all, remember that you're not trying to persuade them. They're too far gone. All you can do is embarrass them in front of an audience, or just amuse yourself if no audience is present.

This. Traditionalism will never rise again except in a few nations where monarchy still exists: UK, Belgium and so on. Fascism is the way to go for the majority of modern countries.

It's not that I have a problem with the word cuck, I think it's applicable in a great many situations, but you're still being memey. Cut it out, this thread has potential.

Present!

There are only three stages.

Capitalism is incompatible with tradition. It destroys everything for profit.

Where does MAGAcrat fit in?

>t.prole of an oligarch

I am interested, can you do a quick summary?

Is it just accepting the futile cycle of human civilisations?

Not when it's filled with defeatist cuckolds and newfags that think this circlejerk thread is original.

Im in a special kind of stage 4, its called nazism

Pretty much always been at Stage 4. Those systems were without a doubt more stable and beneficial for society. Still the majority is wealthier in the current system so brief prosperity wins through.

Everywhere and nowhere. All four stages have their own reasons to support Trump. Really, the only people who don't are those who hate America, none of whom are on this chart.

Soo.... stage 5 is nihilism?

You can get to stage four unless you get to stage 3 and that requires getting rid of Jews. Take control of your government.

>I dont know what to read or where to find it
counter-currents.com/
that one is a nice website

It's just a simplistic description of decadence and a loose identification of various eras empires are destined to go though.

>Lolbertarians thinking they are redpilled

Just no

i will stay stage 2 forever fuck you

I cited glubb and the fate of empires because I think it's the essential work for that purpose, yes, but it's not just civilization cycles. There's also an implied understanding of how biology changes with the circumstances of one's society; this is where r/K selection theory becomes extremely important. You have to detach yourself from the idea of human exceptionalism (well, leftists do: on the right, you really need to discard RACIAL exceptionalism and understand that even the most successful races are a human subspecies and therefore animals) and realize that our animal natures are ill-suited to perpetual success and vigor.

I wouldn't say that, but it's only for the connotations.

I'm probably in between 3 and 4. I'm not really smart enough to be a neo-reactionary, just read a bunch of stuff on wikipedia.

>not being a Republican

the American constitution outlined one of the best governments known to man, it's corruption by politicians and progressives is a shame.

im about stage 3 now

Who has read Burke here?

r/K selection doesn't even hold up. This is such fucking basic secular sophist cancer It's hard to seriously believe you think it would be a "stage 5"

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I'm stage 3 too but it's only a matter of time before I get to stage 4.

>r/K selection doesn't even hold up
In what possible respect?

>destroys everything for profit
Destruction isn't very profitable user.

>when you're too stupid to pass stage 3

Niggers are only a problem if there is a state. Got it.

Human rights are trash. Law not based on tradition is just alienating and always ends up with internal strugles.

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>Went from Traditionalism to Anarcho-Capitalism, but recognize that traditionalism is the way to go if you must have a government.
Then you didn't understand Traditionalism at all.
Without hierarchy, humanity falls apart.
Sure, you could have a functional anarcho-capitalist society, it's called having a farm near a few other farmers in the middle of nowhere, population: 100

>Fascism is basically the modern version of ancien régime traditionalism
No it is not. Stop using the word "basically" - it is a non-argument used by plebbitors, liberals, and SJWs.

A hierarchy will naturally and necesserily rise after the fall of our present day civilization. The incoming wars will mean the birth of a new elite.
Neither the ordinary man, or their government is capable or even willing of defending themselves.
This objective will fall on the shoulders of a few differentiated men, who'll rise through the ranks not because they licked the arse of the plebs with their empty promises, but because of natural selection in war and politics.

Stage 5 is definitely some kind of mixture of Traditionalism and Confucianism.

I just don't buy blood based monarchism, it seems too easy to exploit, fail and be corrupted. There's no actual virtue in place, though a king may be expected to act virtuous, there's been too many cases throughout history of a leader turning corrupt or degenerative.

Some kind of meritocracy, perhaps with a lower Parliament to act as representatives of the people, but a higher meritocratic council above it where individuals are selected through a process of value testing, or an Imperial examination, where a non biased markers select certain individuals as ministers over others.

This creates a natural hierarchical system where the strongest and those with the greatest values are place in government. Maybe there can be some kind of monarch, but only engages in Wu Wei philosophy at all times. There also should be some kind of constitution which limits the state's powers to some degree.

Seems the most intelligent to me. Better than Democracy, which is too easily influenced by finance and sociopaths, and a dictatorship which too easily fails due to the fact we haven't discovered how to make someone immortal yet, meaning we'll turn into Rome and end up having degenerative leader after degenerative leader. Maybe one day we could have a God Emperor, but until then, I'm sticking with Meritocracy.

In the respect that there are countless exceptions to it in the animal kingdom and the line is murky. it's a very general model that doesn't hold up under actual examination.

Dark and inscrutable are the ways by which we come into the world. The instincts which give rise to this mysterious process of nature are not of our making. But out of physical causes, unknown to us, perhaps unknowable, arise moral duties, which, as we are able perfectly to comprehend, we are bound indispensably to perform. Parents may not be consenting to their moral relation; but consenting or not, they are bound to a long train of burthensome duties towards those with whom they have never made a convention of any sort. Children are not consenting to their relation, but their relation, without their actual consent, binds them to its duties; or rather it implies their consent because the presumed consent of every rational creature is in unison with the predisposed order of things. Men come in that manner into a community with the social state of their parents, endowed with all the benefits, loaded with all the duties of their situation. If the social ties and ligaments, spun out of those physical relations which are the elements of the commonwealth, in most cases begin, and always continue, independently of our will, so without any stipulation, on our part, are we bound by that relation called our country, which comprehends (as it has been well said) “all the charities of all.” Nor are we left without powerful instincts to make this duty as dear and grateful to us, as it is awful and coercive.

A truely rare occurance of a flag, I concure.

Stage 2 libertarian, I don't care about the degeneracy of those around me, that is their choice, generally that degeneracy benefits me in some way anyhow.

It describes a scale of tendencies, not a pair of absolutes.

>people are just fucking making up stage 5s now to conform to their views

reddit in full force

Stage 3.5 master race reporting in.

>what stops a liberal from just saying "thats racist"
If it was racist,then African culture wasnt destroyed durong colonization,due to all humans being exactly the same. And we both know that they will never say crap like that. Culture and tradition is what builds true law,fit for the different people. Universal rights are just a meme

I believe that quote is wrongly attributed to Toqueville user, I think it was a bad translation.

I incorporate all 4. Can't see myself stuck in one bottle.

New stage exclusive to Trump?

Call it the MAGAcracy and dress up like Wizards n'shiet.

Stage 3 here

same here my eternal friend
stage 3.5 is National Socialism essentially

There are only 3 stages

Ah, you must be stage 15, the "hello yes I am not Reddit as we speak, thus I am better than those people, watch as a point out this person and what he is doing in a snarky fashion. please 1+ me my dude friends whom browse this wonderful forum.".

Fucking shit man. I ALWAYS think about this image. I have two degrees in economics and love the Austrian school... but m8 I am in 3 now. I listened to the Libertarian Party's debates and... there is just no future for us there. Being a freedom lover of liberty requires you to be white, a male, and high IQ with good earning potential. But unfortunately, at this point, whites are dying out in America. Whites aren't even reproducing fast enough.

I'm throwing my towel in with Trump this year, and if that doesn't work out then I will study necromancy to bring Hitler back... maybe he can save us.

>I wouldn't say that, but it's only for the connotations.
Absurdism then, maybe?
Although, that's a strange intersection of political ideals for Sup Forums.

I'm at stage 6. I'm not going to write it as you wouldn't understand it. You have to get there through stage 5 to understand.

It doesn't matter what you call it. Inevitabilist is my personal term because I think it better evokes what I mean. Anyway I hang out on Sup Forums because I like talking about politics even if I ultimately see things in biological patterns rather than moral struggles.

>walks in the park
>family dinner time
>nuclear family

All destroyed by

>the television

Which produces lots of

>$$$$$$

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The Austrian school is god tier, but will never happen in real life, cause plebs are too used to controlling the state treasury for gibs me dat.

Well it is. Fascism was founded after WW1, when the old monarchies of Europe almost all died out. Their power was already limited since the French Revolution and they had made the switch from being international aristocracy to being national aristocracy, thinking about the interests of their nation first rather than the interests European aristocracy.

Fascism just took the authoritarian principles of the era prior to the French Revolution and modernized them. They also adapted the economic views of the traditionalist conservatives by launching corporatism, which is much better when you have large industries.

>I just don't buy blood based monarchism, it seems too easy to exploit, fail and be corrupted

>I believe in natural and nurtural differences in people, just look at the Negroes.
>However, it is purely bullcrap, I must say, that just because a family is composed of intelligent, well read, and healthy people who value virtues overall, that their children would turn out the same
Of course it is not a 100% thing, but still better chances than that someone from the ghetto would be a better suitor for a king or for holding an office.

Also the fall of virtues, even among the nobility, is inevitable after a time, see the cycle of civilizations.
Long term peace is corroding to a civilization, just like long term lazyness instead of hard work is to the soul.

An interesting theory I must say nontheless, it is similar to how Plato saw the ideal state.

Like other prescriptive political ideologies it's utopian and requires human beings don't behave as human beings.

I think you have to settle down and have a family in order to even grasp stage 4

Thank you, I will look after this.

Everyone in this thread is illiterate and pseudo-intellectual. Go fuck a girl if you're all so smart.
-Stanford student

You mean insufferable romanticism of the past?

There's another path, after libertarianism you begin modernism, become extremely selfcritical, start lifting and believe an unspoken role of society is to act eugenic and incentivise the strong.

Or... You become a fat, lazy neo Nazi who wants to blame fat, lazy migrants for his problems. You know, I bet that works... In a way.

Who second path here?

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Stage 4 is easy to achieve in France. Once you learn about "the Enlightenment" and the Revolution you go down the rabbit hole.
The only thing is that I can't see how it can be applied today. Monarchy, aristocracy didn't save Britain or Belgium from degeneracy. Quite the contrary, they were the catalysts of it. The legitimate heir of the French throne is a freemason. There is no way out, we can just "ride the tiger" at this point and wait for the end of Kali Yuga.

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This is correct.

Stage 2 of course.

Also
>nationalism as Stage 3
This is a fucking joke.

Damn I wanna fuck that girls ass.

>t. slave who wishes he was an even bigger slave

There just aren't enough darn rules to follow! We need more rules, more censor!

The fundamental difference is that the traditionalist governments existed because the state was the private property of the monarch. In fascism, the government exists for the people, and leaders are not appointed by birthright, but by merit.

Brittan and Belgium didn't/don't have a real monarchy/aristocracy. brittain in particular is a slave to parliament, the monarchs power was weaseled away slowly from constitutional with checks and balances, to figurehead with no power, only influence.

Getting to stanford=smart?

If you were so smart, you wouldnt waste your fucking time.

this

Read de Maistre. Stay strong

A good picture.

>Their power was already limited since the French Revolution
That is absolutely true. I agree that a Traditionalist society can not happen until democracy and all liberalist/marxist tenets are crushed forcefully - which sadly can only happen by outside invaders, and not from the inside. I would be happy in the present with a fascist system, howewer it could only hold for a short period of time again, due to our present Zeitgeist

>thinking about the interests of their nations first rather than the interests European aristocracy.
I can think of an example when the Russian Tsar, after asking for his help, helped out the Austrian Kaiser to crush the (democratic/nationalist/separatist) Hungarian Revolution of 1848.
Howewer this was necessery in order to stop the movement before reaching Russia.
So this was not due to some brotherhood between aristocrats of far away lands.

Could you give me examples of what were you excactly thinking about? Monarchs and nobles were preoccupied with their country/land and themselves first, not with the aristocracy of other countries, to my knowledge.

witnessed

Stop trying to turn Trump supporters into clowns.

Being a Serf is fine. Most of the rural Pacific Northwest were worked for or because of the Murphy family and the Pacific Lumber Company for generations, then the Left gutted the lumber industry and some faceless corporation bought out the other shareholders in the company and began clear cutting the forest. The Murphy's were tied to the land and the people so they always did shelterwood logging to keep the logging communities alive. When they had control of the company taken away, we lost everything. Now the rural Pacific North West is filled with dead or dying communities riddled with drug abuse problems and poverty. If we could go back to the way things used to be, you can bet your ass we would.

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How were Britain and Belgium the catalysts of degeneracy? More like Germany and the US