Who was to blame for the shutdown?

Who was to blame for the shutdown?
Normies are blaming Trump, but they take a bad shit and they blame Trump.
So was it Trump, or the Dems? And why? For people who arent even Americans?

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Trump and GOP. Keep in mind, this is the first time in history that the gov has been shut down when House, Senate and WH is controlled by one party.

>hurr durr they control everything!!

Fuckin retard if you think this is even relevant.
Fuckin retard if you think dems can’t do shit to cause gridlock

The Reps needed an extra 10 votes to pass this thing, so it was the Dems.

But there was a bipartisan deal already until Trump and Tom Cotton said "fuck it" and ripped it up, so it was the Reps.

So essentially, lol idk vote joe manchin 2020

They're not good at their job. Sorry you can make excuses all you want but the fact is they do have control over everything. They have the upper hand but still won't compromise.

Stay mad faggot

Lololol, liberals are so fucking stupid!

>Fuckin retard if you think this is even relevant.

Oh no, of course it's not relevant in the slightest all the pieces of government that sign bills into law are in the control of one party. Clearly, the minority party is to blame.

I don't know much about it, but I think the gist of it is that dems want to give benefits to "dreamers." Correct me if I'm wrong about that.
Giving benefits to non-citizens is fucking retarded and dems need to die in a fire.

Also, interesting watch:
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Essentially this. The two-party system has done nothing but fuck over the US in it's entire history.

What happened to this board. Make it stop

No, that's not how being the majority works.
If you want something done you need to compromise, not blame the other party and out because you won't come to any form of an agreement.

4 repubs voted against it, 5 dems for CR. GOP can't get to 60 on their bill, but could easily get the votes for a bipartisan bill that McConnell wouldn't allow a vote on. So yeah, definitely GOP.

Asshat, the GOP does not control the Senate. It takes 60 votes to pass in the Senate and the Dems are all holding out. Nope, Dems fault.

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>Correct me if I'm wrong about that
you're wrong about that, and you're clearly retarded. Please drink your hot cocoa and go to bed.

Trips of truth

>your mom takes you from beaner town to cheeseburger land when you're two
>tfw youre too lazy to go back to your own country without mommy and daddy
>tfw you grow up in america but want to leave
>tfw the citizenship application process is longer and harder than my cock

The Democrats voted for the bill they were allowed to negotiate on. It passed and was sent to Trump. He said no.

I'd like to be able to blame this on the congressional Republicans, but I can't. They played ball initially. This is Trump's shutdown.

bad trolling buddy

GOP is NOT in control. The Senate has a majority GOP but it does not have a 60+ vote majority.

then please educate me

Dubs of truth

The Republicans do control everything, faggot.

No votes have been taken.

then the GOP should probably put forth a bill that can actually get 60 votes.

I don't have enough time to cure your level of autism, sorry

Everything the republitards have done recently has been some serious scumbag shit. I'm glad they look like assholes but that alone isn't going to fix the messes they're causing.

They're too busy writing tax reforms behind closed doors

But that would mean they would have to do their job right.

lol sorry about the "both sides suck" version earlier, yeah it was on the gop to bring dems to the table. AND THEY DID - until Sens. Perdue and Cotton came by Trump with some tendies minutes before Graham and Durbin got there to meet with him about it.

OP here, you answered one question. Can you tell me why?

Who wanted to add DACA to a military budget bill?
When does the DACA expire?
If DACA has until March and they are still trying to force it into that bill I would say it's the Dems fault the Gov shut down.
Adding unneeded things to a bill to keep the Government running gets you the blame.

This is an all of us thing. This is an American problem, and the problem is we fucking suck.

Like what?

>to a bill to
To a bill that**

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If you claim to know what's going on and have enough time to post on Sup Forums, you have enough time to explain. The fact that you won't means you can't.

The Dems were complaining about DACA (which to be fair has something like 85% support) but I honestly think they were expecting to have to compromise again. I think it's everybody playing chicken only the button's gonna get pressed one way or the other if time runs out, and nobody thought the other side would be stupid enough to let that happen.

...and lo and behold president shithole

Both sides are to blame imo. Too lazy to do their jobs and come up with an idea they both comprimise on. Just a bunch of people trying not to think too hard.

No he fucking not that is EXACTLY WHAT THE ISSUE IS MORON PROVE ME WRONG.

Muh 'criminals'

So you agree that it is the Dems holding out. And no, it should be a clean bill and all matters of imigration need to be dealt with. And if this was SO DAMN important to the Dems, why didn't they deal with it when they had a super majority and the presidency. But no, we only got a disastrous healt h care bill. And yes, neither party has ever dealt with this. Only Trump reversed an executive order which is not where these things need to be dealt with.

The shut down is basically like this: Trump sets the house on fire. House and Senate agree that someone should put fire out and pass a bill to do so. Trump gets the bill and decides he won't sign it unless it includes building a giant statue honoring him. GOP blames Dems for the fire when they refuse to build the statue.

Is Obamas fault and Hillarys email's right? Right? You tell em.

OP here, this is why I made the thread. People on normiebook keep saying its Trump and the GOP, and SNL encourages this view, but no one can really explain how. And then they say shit like this when you ask questions

The GOP isn't capable of governing, especially all these new representatives elected by tea party morons and other assorted riff raff (rural nobodies and the poorly educated). They're better suited to being an obstructionist opposition.

OP here, pls explain

jesus christ, you really just lap this shit up, don't you? That was like getting 8 years of fox news summed up in a few sentences

This whole thing could have been sorted last year, however Trump personally decided taking away affordable healthcare from you in order to give himself a massive tax cut was more important.

I'm just saying it like it is

>normiebook

you clearly are autistic though

Are all illegal immigrants criminals, user?

>disastrous healt h care bill.
I've still never seen evidence of this. Worst is some fag complaining that his premiums are up, and they never fucking know that the reason they aren't higher is because of the damn bill in the first place.

They did take care of it. Trump undid it with an executive order. God you have no idea what is going on.

But you have not disputed it. So, why didn't the Dems take it on when they had a super majority.

>Who was to blame for the shutdown?
Who stands to gain from the shutdown?

Democrats can blame republicans for being insensitive bastards who won't help out poor folks and solidify their support; republicans can blame democrats for pandering to people who aren't even US citizens and solidify their support. Meanwhile tax breaks for rich faggots at the expense of the average american goes on uncontested, unreported.

tl;dr business as usual

You're not even worth responding to. They are ALL here illegally. Then they decided that they were going to rub Americans faces in it. Over and over again. It's called karma if you are here by the fucking goodness of the American taxpayer maybe don't burn American flags and wave Mexican one while simultaneously assaulting the supporters of the candidate you don't like. They can go back to Mexico or Guatemala or whatever shithole they crawled out of. Asshole.

>I'm just saying it like it is
Do you know which tax bracket I fall into user? lol
>This whole thing could have been sorted last year, however Trump
My point still stands, Democrats fault for attempting to squeeze DACA into a budget bill. You can move the goalposts all you want and shift blame elsewhere for all I care, probably won't respond if you do though.

I'm just saying it like it is.

I don't come here to have substantive arguments. I come here to troll retards anonymously online because it gives me pleasure. Why the fuck are you here?

>majority republican house of representatives
>majority republican senate
>president is populist republican
I BET IT WAS THE DEMOCRATS THOSE SNEAKY JEWS

You don't seem to have a firm grasp of the issues at hand.

this

>tax breaks for rich faggots at the expense of the average american goes on uncontested, unreported.
This
Also I have to deal with people thinking trickle down economics work now. Which is insanely fustrating

It's extremely common for both parties to place rider clauses into budget bills.

t. I have never left my parent's basement except when they've forced me to.

My man!!

Probably Pasta/10

>And then they say shit like this
>when you ask question
Of course they do, they NEED to project their toxic stew of laziness and stupidity on to you, it's childish and automatically impeaches their credibility, which they will learn when they grow up.

>Reps shut down for Obama
>Dems mirrored the move

Remember when Obama and the dems had the upper hand, and they were unable to push through the legislation they wanted? Right. Well, long story short politicians are just like lawyers (and some are both). They are mostly concerned with getting paid and playing politics. Only a few honestly try to do the right thing. A politician who sticks to the party line is like a defense attorney who knows his client is guilty. They both get paid to act righteous, whether they are or not.

They want to pay taxes tho... If there was a path to citizenship, they would pay taxes. They don't pay taxes because we don't let them. You can say they can't be here but you can't say that they're freeloading of their own choice, there isn't a way for them not to freeload in this system

Why even discuss politics when you guys don't know that republicans dont have control? 15yo redditors gtfo

More proof that rural "people" and the poorly educated should never vote.

not supporting trump does not make you liberal.
genuinely liking trump makes you a fucking retard.

BOTH!

This shit should have been fixed MONTHS ago.

They had 3 months to get this shit done. 3 FUCKING MONTHS!

This is like a fucking child trying to do his homework at the last second.

They didn't go uncontested. Dems constested them and reps pushed it through anyway using reconciliation.

Does that change my point?
Does that shift blame?
Who added it?
Next.

Yes

>Normies
you mean the majority of the American population

Again, im getting no answers, just desperate attempts at ad hominem

>and the poorly educated). They're better suited to being an obstructionist opposition.
This right here reason number two I will probably vote for Trump again, The Smugtards, I fucking hate them, more than I hate the GOP I'm surprised to find out...My fiancee and I have 10 years of education between us and we both voted for Trump and I live in a state that is supposedly a Clinton stronghold. I haven't met a single person who voted for Hillary and my girl is an ICU/RN surrounded by the most pretentious assholes evar, but yet, no Clinton supporters. Odd isn't it?

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Pretty much this. Graham and Durbin (a Republican and a Democrat) had a bill ready to go which would reinstate DACA. Cotton told Trump to say no and Trump being a ultra cuck he is agreed with Cotton.

>Dems try to squeeze DACA into tax bill thinking Trump will pass it.
>Both GOP and Trump say no.
>DNC gives house the finger tell them thy'll shut it down if they don't get their immigrant vote
>Trump flips their own game and proposes even stricter immigration measures
>DNC makes good on threat and refuses to negioate on removing DACA from tax plan since it doesn't belong there in the first place
>DNC blame Trump for not bending over
>Hilarity ensues.

The best part is DACA HAS to be voted on one way or the other because the DNC forced the issue to work in only one direction instead of waiting to get something in the middle.
Trump WILL get his wall now because of this and DACA is 99% likely to die.
>Trump confirmed for 1488.3D chess yet again.

It makes your point entirely moot. Demanding DACA protections now is probably the best opportunity to get it. No doubt if they just passed a clean budget bill and introduced a separate DACA bill later it wouldn't even get brought to a vote. Considering that over 85% of Americans want protections for DACA recipients clearly the Dems are pursuing the desires of their constituents.

>They want to pay taxes
no one wants to pay taxes, wetbacks are no exception

The dems, specifically Schumer, he's not able to back down or he'll hurt his career, he's painted himself into a corner and is enraged Trump is going to just let it happen. Trump is teaching them nothing happens without a deal, he's going to try to get the wall and if he gets it all impact from the existence of the wall for the rest of his life will be attributed to him good and bad. While a leftist probably thinks that sounds great and that he'll be held accountable for his racist views what's more likely to happen is the wall will drive up the cost of cartel smuggling and force them to downsize their business model probably forcing some to destroy each other (more than usual) or merge to keep going.

This explains literally nothing. Isnt this about immigration? And why wouldnt the dems want to flood the country with people from the 3rd world who will surely vote for them?

The thing is that our country is set up to run without the government. The negative of not having a government is not adjusting policies as needed. The question is who benefits or suffers least from no government. The rich are responsible for having legal and legislative battles Shanghai against each other and not thinking that it won't catch up to them eventually. This happens with every great civilization. Stay woke fam. Fight the system. Obviously something needs to change to finally prevent revolutions that are inevitable when too many are unhappy for so long.

Not even. They DO pay taxes. If you had a job you would know that your employer takes an estimated amount of taxes out of every paycheck they cut for you, unless you're working freelance and therefore technically "self-employed." If a business were cutting checks without these deductions applied it would be an immediate red flag to the IRS that they were hiring 'illegal' laborers.

>Trump WILL get his wall now because of this and DACA is 99% likely to die.
And the average american will continue to get shafted and fund blatant, meaningless wankery. I suppose they're getting exactly what they voted for.

so you vote out of spite, even if it's for a retard?

>It makes your point entirely moot.
The OP asked who is to blame though, not if the Democrats made a smart move by forcing this. Just because, politically, they had to do it, doesn't mean the blame goes back to Trump, you imbecile.

Idiot. The previous budget bill that both parties agreed on had allocated funding to the wall that Trump promised us that we wouldn't pay for. Trump would have gotten what his white trash nobody voters wanted.

Trump passed a tax plan which would have given my and my SO a 12,000 dollar taxbreak and the democratic governor of the state I live in told me last week they intend to claw back that money using the state taxes because the state needs the money, yeah I'm fucking loving the democrats. The only people who are on that train are the ones getting the hand outs, not earners ans taxpayers and I guarantee every democratic governor will pull this bullshit to continue their unconstitutional and illegal experiment in "social democracy" (doesn't exist socialism is socialism).

But user, the previous agreement that Trump shot down was a fair compromise for everybody in which all sides got some of what they wanted. How is it not Trumps fault for shutting down a fair deal and demanding no concessions?

Always two sides in a negotiation. That said, the Dems are trying to stop people raised here since they were little kids from being deported to countries they may never even have been to...soooo...I think that's pretty reasonable.

>Trump would have gotten what his white trash nobody voters wanted.
They wanted mexico to pay for it, so even if they got what they wanted, they wouldn't have gotten it according to the terms they wanted to obtain it by.

why aren't you in Mississippi?

Ill bet you believe taxes to be theft.

>stop people raised here since they were little kids from being deported