>be me
>want to learn piano but don't want to waste a ton of money in case I lose interest
>buy 61 key keyboard
>having fun learning it and progressing quickly in my opinion
>afraid of getting to where I need the missing keys
When should I upgrade to an 88 key keyboard? They're pretty expensive, any general tips for a beginner who's learning?
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Do you intend to learn classical or jazz? If you do then you'll want 88 keys. If you just want to play rock or electronic or general keyboard stuff then 61 keys is fine.
I mostly want to learn solo piano covers of popular music and theme songs, stuff like that.
That's gross but yeah you'll be fine with 61 keys
Kek, thank you for the help. Any recommendations that aren't gross? I'm not interested in jazz though.
don't cave into peer pressure from strangers on the internet
sieg heil
chilly gonzales, he's like a classical musician but also does modern music for example he works a lot with daft punk
Just curious what others play, I'm still gonna do my thing until I'm past learning and comfortable with my skill level, I've still got a lot to learn though.
I played piano for years and only needed 88 keys once
I feel relieved, thank you. I got the casio ctk2400 for my first keyboard a week or so ago, it didn't come with a sustain pedal and I need one for the part in the book I'm learning, i should get it in the mail tomorrow but I was worried that in the next lesson I would need to use the keys that I don't have.
>tfw only have 25 keys
>doing just fine
it's good to be a melodic simpleton sometimes
49 is unironically the sweet spot between playability and price, though
Get an 88 key, esp if you are working with improvisation. The musicians on this board are retards. 72 can work as well.
so are you type to play billy joel 50 times
>I'm not interested in jazz though.
Rarely any beginners are.
>The musicians on this board are retards.
>The musicians
LMAO
What is the best cheap electric keyboard out there? Like really really cheap, something I can plug headphones into and play on my bed
Casio ctk2400, or check your local thrift stores.
25 key is good because you can just whip it out and start playing. Meanwhile with more keys you have to clean your desk and put it up every time. Unless you have dedicated table.
AKAI MPK Mini MKII
Nigga, I got one by Rockjam for like $100. It also has midi.
Just have in mind that there is a huge difference in touch between an actual piano (or clavinova and stuff like that) and the midi controllers people are recommending, so if you are more focused on actual piano sound, I'd advise you to save some money and get something in that branch. I can play Revolutionary etude on a piano, but I could never do it on my Akai mpk249, not only because of the limited range, which is obvious, but also because of the keys themself.
i had a keyboard i bought from argos, no idea how many keys maybe like 30, i was so stoned when i bought it that i didn't remember buying it, just showed up lol. it had such a shit sound but one in particular like an 8bit sound that i really liked so i ended up playing some gigs with it in my band, had loads of people from supporting bands asking about it hahaha assuming that it was some good keyboard. so next gig i opened with the demo feature to let them all know it was a shit keyboard
I got this entry digital piano earlier this week. Struggling to teach myself though, reading music quickly is going to take a shit tonne of practice.
you can always start playing dungeon synth
She's real pretty
My first attempt at a guitar song. Couldn't make hit two bass Gs unfortunately as broken wrist.
Cheers user. I was looking at the 61 key Roland Go:Piano which probably has slightly better sound but I thought for an extra £40 I'd be mad not to just get a full size one.
In retrospect would have sounded much better with a lower bass G. Probably inversions too but I have no idea what I am doing.
I've been playing piano for 20+ years and I would be fine if all had was a 61 key. thats all I ever really use anyways. If you are already maxing out the range of your piano frequently, or are not satisfied by dropping octaves, then maybe consider a larger board. I've got a lot of opinions about this but the biggest one is that shorter scale keyboards have octave transpose abilities (usually) and can cover twinkly high parts fine. but unless you're doing fancy jazz runs or extended scales you don't need the highest ~20 notes. Rarely do you need the highest notes of a piano while also playing the lowest notes. I'd be hesitant to sacrifice any of the low end (a real piano starts at A on the left). your keyboard probably starts at C, sad...
I personally think 88 is too big for digital, and 76 is the sweet spot. 88 makes sense as a standard for an acoustic piano because thats the practical limit for steel strings. any higher and they just plunk and ring with bad harmonics, any lower and the harmonics start dropping badly as well.
88 key keyboards are kind of unwieldy. I wouldn't reccomend unless you were one of those guys that just NEEEDED that real piano feel and everything. I was one of those guys once
Gah, every time I try to read music I end up just playing the tune by ear with my eyes glazing over the sheet and not taking it in.
Sight read more. Find songs you don't know and study them for a few minutes, read through it, play it in your head, then play it on the piano.
Also, you should actually be getting to the point where you kind of glaze over the notes, so try paying special attention to dynamics, accents, articulations etc.
holy shit user i got the same one last month during a guitar center sale for like 30% off
Go to a thrift store and find a solid one for cheap.
That's not bad user. I just paid full retail price as not being able to play guitar with a broken wrist was driving me stir crazy.
dude, playing keyboard has little to nothing to do with playing piano. A piano isn't a machine (as many people think) but an instrument that wants to be touched with dedication just like a guitar.
Some things like the double action mechanism that allows you to play one note legato (and other things) or half pedal don't even exist on the best electric pianos which are just a pathetic substitute for real ones.
I have an electric piano myself but I use it only for gigs when there's no normal piano available
A piano is exceptionally expensive and impractical though. What you are saying is the equivalent of claiming you shouldn't bother with acoustic guitar unless you get a Martin D28.
no it's not, did you even read my post? an epiano lacks basic elements that makes a piano a piano. having 88 black and white keys is only one feature. no double repetition, no half pedal, no vibrating keys (yes, that is important if you get used to it) not to speak about the inferior sound.
if you want to find a comparison it would be guitar/e-guitar, only that an e-guitar has some value of it's own, so that would be more like piano/fender rhodes
Ah well, I look forward to the day I can afford and have space for a real piano (if it ever comes) but for now I think learning on a digital is better than twiddling my thumbs doing nothing.
I don't know... maybe your hearing gets better and your sight reading but don't delude yourself into thinking it improves your piano technique. Actually it makes it worse. I hear it instantly when someone plays on a piano who normally plays on an epiano
The vibration is so key. Even when I play guitar the vibration on the back of the neck and at my fingertips helps me. You're right. It would be like comparing a keytar to a guitar.
that's the curse of being able to play by ear. Look for new challenges then. Analyze the stuff that you can't play by ear but that you find interesting
Don’t people give away pianos for free every single day on Craigslist?
sure, but you have to add transport and tuning and then they cost about 300 minimum. Plus old pianos often can't be tuned properly anymore. If you invest all that money you may be better of with buying a new one and getting tuning and transport for free
a cheap piano is an untuned piano. Also, learning to play music is a waste of time. Find another hobby
don't be angry that it didn't work out for you. Actually music is the purest form of art
Learning to play music is the only thing that fully absorbs my mind and keeps me going. Don't listen to this guy.
Is a Casio CTK2400 a good starting point for an absolute beginner?
depends on what you're wanting to learn. If you want to learn to play piano, no. You couldn't go worse. It's better to rent a real one or ask someone if you can play on theirs sometimes a week.
If you want to goof around with sounds and maybe connect it to a DAW it certainly does its job, although you could go cheaper then.
If you're playing in a cover band it's maybe good, but then you can as well kys
I'm confused here. Aren't the two C notes at the start and end exactly the same note on the piano?
yes, you're supposed to have both thumbs on the c
Ok thanks. I thought that's what it meant but it just seems retarded.
you have stuff like that often in the piano literature. the reason is that it's easier to play a scale in each hand than awkwardly trying to find an economic distribution of the notes
I just started learning too, I'm using the alfreds all in one adult piano book, it's really helpful man, I'd highly suggest checking it out. I've been using blank manuscript paper to re-write the music myself to help remember the notes.
OP here. That's what I got, it does what it's supposed to do and it's affordable. As an absolute beginner, I find it to be good, the only downfalls I've noticed are that it didn't come with a sustain pedal, and the keys aren't touch sensitive. There are probably better options but it works for me and my budget. I like that I can use headphones with it because I work evenings and don't want to be loud when I play it at night time, best of luck to you user.
Thanks, I'll try it out. I am using this and I wouldn't recommend it, some of the example songs are so obscure I can't find them online and the notes are just plain wrong for Skye Boat Song.