Sup Forums has no interest in music other than as social capital. They consume enough music that their ability to appreciate the art becomes atrophied and the main goal is to just listen to more obscure stuff.
They are remarkably in love with off-kilter pop music for a board full of people who take pride in their passion for experimental music, and arguments here quickly devolve into interminable baiting between "it sucks" / "no, it's good" / "no, it sucks" because nobody has any basic knowledge of music theory or ability to articulate their opinions beyond "feels."
The few informed listeners of academic music spend their time signaling to the rest of the board and use their taste as leverage to get fifteen minutes of online pseudo-notoriety.
Sup Forums consists of people who aren't as weird as they like to think but use their ample free time and piracy to invest in a hobby that makes them feel special or sophisticated, allowing them to compensate for their lack of social skills and failures in concrete or academic pursuits.
The biggest irony is that the vast majority of Sup Forums is a hivemind ruled by a handful of online tastemakers mostly concerned with maintaining a balance between supporting "alternative" pop that will appeal to misunderstood teenagers and maintaining street cred among bored college students who constantly torrent "experimental" music for their mild amusement, negating the cultivation of individual taste or critical thinking in relation to music.
It's a feedback loop of posturing, masturbatory attitudes, and enough layers of irony to suffocate any hope of meaningful conversation. This last element--irony--is vital to allowing Sup Forums and similar collectives to ignore the reality of their situation and disregard posts as this one with little more than tongue-in-cheek one-word responses.
Deep down you all know you're going nowhere in life and this is all a farce.
you're right but you made a post longer than two sentences so one on this board will read it and go back to talking about young thug and grimes
Dominic Ramirez
Thanks for this pasta user
Lucas Roberts
>today ha ha
It's literally been like this for a decade.
Kayden Cook
what's her name, user?
did she tell you that you guys were just better off as friends?
it's okay, just rest easy knowing you're being laughed at in a group chat possibly with screenshots.
Liam Campbell
nah this is my first day in Sup Forums im looking for rabid vicious music like screamo or something. i found this its my favorite song right now m.youtube.com/watch?v=2BqtYyp7WZE i just want something fun and sounds awesome i dont analyze music to decide if i like it or not, i just like it. i dont share if i think you will like it i share if i like it
Zachary Morales
I can relate. Try having a thread on Rock Against Communism and see what happens.
Brody Morris
lol did you find this on reddit, brainlet?
Henry Ross
Most reddit thing I’ve read in a while, congrats.
John Reyes
Holy shit, how new are you?
Jaxson Reed
>saves reddit tier shit OP, please leave.
Jordan Ramirez
>art >Metal thread Laughing, thanks OP. Quick question; can you name even one artist currently practicing? Like an actual artist, not a commercial entertainer. I know that you can't, you massive hypocrite.
Colton Torres
chill yer beans laddie take the gripspill, life is meaningless etc. etc.
Luke Butler
You have some valid points, but since I don't know exactly what you're referring to, I can't say that I agree. There's some good discussion if you avoid the most popular threads. It's not hard making a thread on what you want to talk about and finding other people that are interested.
Jackson Williams
Memeing or just illiterate?
META
Ethan Moore
The worst thing about these posts is you never know if they're serious. It's so perfectly possible someone misread the word meta, or doesn't know what it means.
Grayson Fisher
To a lot of people context matters in music for some reason. Look at joy division. To someone who knows nothing about them they're wack, but once you know that it's from 1979 and I am Curtis had horrible mental health it changes everything for people
Nathan Mitchell
>guys i JUST found out how 90%+ of the population engages with culture, why didn't anyone tell me?
Jackson Thomas
you would know, you're the king of posers
Blake Jackson
There’s a difference between using context to enhance the meaning of the album and thinking the context is more important than the music itself. Newfags seem to think this
Brody Parker
This post is 100% projection. Post it on your blog, faggot. Regardless of what you think of the board, your post is just unconstructive crying with an unbelievable level of condescension.
Evan Turner
misread, but 'meta' is even more retarded. What does the word meta have to do with OP being a sperglord? It definitely doesn't change anything in my post besides one inflammatory quote.
Parker Phillips
>Sup Forums is a hivemind that is why it is useless to come here and lecture it, you are thinking for yourself - something mu does not understand
Colton Turner
>everyone is a hivemind pleb except for me and only what I like is good, everything else is for posers Nah, OP is a hypocrite and is guilty of everything he is projecting onto the rest of the board. You're either OP samefagging or a brainlet for not instantly realising this.
Josiah Long
it's a website with a lot of people that consume music. Nothing wrong with it being a little shallow. A lot of people in north america's value is in the media they consume.
Gavin Bell
try getting through a paragraph without using Sup Forums terms like samefagging, brainlet, etc. and then you can defend yourself as something other than part of a hivemind
Isaac Barnes
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Jack Richardson
Wow you literally just described pop culture, congratulations OP.
Luke Bennett
>suffocate any hope of meaningful conversation is a meaningful conversation even necessary
Isaac Hall
>you used terms from the board vernacular here on the board so you're wrong Nice strawman, retard. There isn't any reason to write a paragraph, I succinctly got my point across in one sentence. There's a rule, in creative fields, where if you can't explain what you do/are doing/have done within two sentences then you don't understand what you do/are doing/have done - and therefore your work is almost definitely bad. Needing a paragraph to get a concept across is a sign of incompetence.
There's your paragraph, moron, now fuck off.
Ethan White
>There's a rule, in creative fields, where if you can't explain what you do/are doing/have done within two sentences then you don't understand what you do/are doing/have done trust me, you couldn't explain yourself properly if you had an entire book to do it. and you're insulting me and taking personal a criticism of a board.
Anthony Clark
Yeah /mu's been weird lately. Its odd that the nazi and 'alt-right' shit made its way here. Usually /mu was pretty standard in its racism (ie goyim posts and responding to threads about black artists by saying nigger), but all this anti communism shit has been throwing me for a loop. Its a fucking music board, why does this Sup Forums bullshit keep ending up here.
Maybe the paid russian troll thing is legit.
Sebastian Mitchell
Why are you making a strawman every post? And why are you making strawman arguments that are disproven by the post they are made in response to? You can't be older than 15 and if you are then you should consider getting a lobotomy. You're obviously OP pulling "pretending to be retarded" because I made fun of you/hurt your feelings when I I wrote what is actually wrong with you - (who else would bother even replying to begin with?). What I'm saying, OP, is that the sort of shitposting you're doing here with the blogposting and the strawman bullshit is an actual problem on this board, contrary to the bullshit you wrote at the start of the thread - which itself is a contrary statement; it's content being posted is an admission of your being guilty of everything you claimed everyone else is guilty of. That's literally the mindset of a suburban, middle-class teenage boy who gets a B-average in his tests in school, has a superiority complex about his 'great intelligence and keen insight and has social issues stemming from that toxic attitude. Get over yourself or you'll end up a 40 year old Sup Forums poster who has never even so much as sniffed a vagina.
Another paragraph for you, bbgurl
Adam Edwards
i'm not the op, i just agreed with the idea that mu is a hivemind. which you helped point out with the Sup Forums terminology, not something required outside of groupthink. this criticism has nothing to do with you personally, so there's no need to have a fit and personally attack me over it. i'm an anonymous person, i can't hurt you. but you are pushing people away from the site who think for themselves by insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you.
Charles Stewart
>intro Correct
>1st paragraph Coŕrect
>2nd paragraph Correct
>3rd paragraph Correct
>4th paragraph Correct
>5th paragraph Correct, but it's probably Kanye West doing the tastemaking
>6th paragraph Correct
>outro/conclusion Correct
Why are you here then?? Go to another board or try something else.
Kevin Phillips
How is randomly attributing terms belonging to a group vernacular to 'proof of a hivemind'? That's literal gibberish. How is arguing against someone, making strawman responses and then backpedalling anything other than convincing yourself that you're right while ignoring the discussion - the thing I accused you of already? >but you are pushing people away from the site who think for themselves by insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you You literally are doing that and I'm blatantly not. You've proved everything I've claimed about you right already. If you're going to try and argue about something make sure you know about the subject of the discussion as well as how to argue. Also make sure to stay off of this site until you finish high school, sweetheart.
Jayden Rogers
you are arguing with yourself
Jose Wright
No, I'm arguing with a retard. It's a much bigger waste of time than arguing with myself. Now I'm replying to another one.
Mason Anderson
nigga do you know what meta means.
Connor Jackson
Yes I do. There's nothing self-referential about criticising a board you post on and the people who post on it based on immature delusions of intellectual superiority. Unless the post was sarcastic and a joke about shitposts/blogposting OPs. But it wasn't that, no one smart enough to post something like that would waste their time doing it. I'm glad I could explain to you what a 4-letter word means. Really sad that your shitty country has such a bad education system.
Owen Gray
>your shitty country
Caleb Reed
I know where you're from, you don't need to tell me. The only English language country that produces that kind of stupid is Burgerland.
Jackson Young
>Burgerland
William Taylor
You're getting sick dubs my man, I hope they help you cope with living in such a terrible place.
Jacob Gray
because communism is an inane fascist ideology and people don't like it.. really not complicated.
Carson Murphy
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Joseph Martinez
But what does that have to do with music. Besides theres no way communism has even a slight chance of happening. everyone freaks out about minor socialistic things.
Hudson White
lmao okay dude. I understand the concept of a meta post and this is pretty clearly meta, I didn't need or ask you to (not) explain it for me and further exemplify your own delusions of superiority.
Isaac Cooper
spotted the racist nazi
Josiah Miller
>pretty clearly meta numale
Julian Flores
why I mean you ain't wrong but I'm not seeing the connection
Nathaniel Hill
You clearly don't understand anything. Maybe read a book sometime, little guy. Look into metamodernism - it's a pointless term that has been going around for a while. Maybe it will help you learn about contemporary culture instead of shitting up threads with ignorant and intentional misunderstanding of simple terminology.
Hudson Garcia
>metamodernism
James Fisher
Yeah, it's an art movement from this decade you uncultured retard.
Samuel Kelly
like any art, music can be political. a ton of music has political themes. if the music is legitimately political I believe there is the right to discuss the politics relevant to the music. I don't know the context if the music was actually political at all but I'm just saying, in the right circumstances, its okay to talk politcs on a music board
Parker Johnson
>uncultured retard
Jackson Morgan
Well you are an American boy trying to get 'dubs' on Sup Forums while posting 'meme arrows' and Trump images so I guess calling you an uncultured retard was redundant.
Luke Torres
lmao. I hope you're just being ironic
Colton Bennett
>'dubs' >'meme arrows'
Jose Edwards
Just helping this shit thread die This whole board goes to shit once you kids get home from school.
Cooper Edwards
>This whole board goes to shit
Sebastian Watson
I'd say discussing the politcal context of an album or artist is fine, but /mus idea of a politcal discussion is HEY THIS ARTIST DOESNT LIKE TRUMP, IS HE DONE.
Joseph Martinez
you can just not look at the things you don't like, you know.
Henry Thompson
yeah that is retarded
Gabriel Fisher
Where are you getting like/dislike from? This is a discussion board, not hugbox.smalltalk.web/r/I_like_this Preferences have no place in a discussion and approaching discussion that way is fucking retarded. If you want people to pat you on the back for bragging about liking things then go to reddit because that's literally what reddit is.
Parker White
>retarded
Jackson Barnes
>Just helping this shit thread die I kind of got the implication from that that you disliked the thread.
I come on Sup Forums to expose myself to people with preferences in music different to mine, so I can either find and try new things or at the very least have some knowledge in things beyond what interests me. I'm not out here for pats on the back for liking or not liking something. you're providing alternative viewpoints and thats good in a discussion. but you are dismissing views alternate to yours and using strawman arguments. I don't agree with that but I guess I shouldn't be expecting anything better. I definitely agree this thread and OP's rant is a huge joke of an attempt to assert some kind of feeble sense of superiority. but it is a post about the nature of Sup Forums, posted on Sup Forums, it is self-referential. therefore, it is meta.
Jaxson Peterson
>but you are dismissing views alternate to yours and using strawman arguments. Like what? The only arguments against mine are strawman posts and that Trump poster. >but it is a post about the nature of Sup Forums, posted on Sup Forums, it is self-referential. therefore, it is meta. So you are claiming that OP is Sup Forums? Or that he's everyone on Sup Forums and is part of the hivemind? Because the latter option is true, but the manner in which the post is written shows that OP is ignorant of the irony in his post. It's not meta because it isn't self-aware. The irony/hypocrisy and delusional narcissism in the post are based in the fact that OP isn't self-aware making it literally the opposite of meta.
It's pretty simple, in fact I already explained it.
Mason Richardson
your mention of metamodernism seemed to be a pretty irrelevant built solely to be deconstructed. I am arguing against your positions, amongst those other dudes. as for it being meta and defining what constitutes Sup Forums, I see Sup Forums as the community, made up of those who browse the board. since presumably OP browses the board and generally participates, that makes him a part of Sup Forums. I see where you're coming from, as if Sup Forums as an entirety would have to be involved. a community of people is not an absolute or singular object, so I wouldn't regard it as necessarily needing to function as an absolute to be able to self-refer. the lack of self awareness, the unwitting irony and hypocrisy of the OP that you pointed out though, I can't dispute that. it is pretty much the opposite of meta, as you said.
Isaiah Gonzalez
>your mention of metamodernism seemed to be a pretty irrelevant built solely to be deconstructed It was an example of something - a suggestion - for the user to look into in hopes he would learn what meta means. It's a cultural; theory that is currently very popular so it would be wise to be familiar with it regardless. >I see Sup Forums as the community, made up of those who browse the board. since presumably OP browses the board and generally participates, that makes him a part of Sup Forums Sort of weird to identify as a community, that is in essence forfeiting your individuality. Regardless, OP's post is a 'me vs them' situation where he is separate from the "Sup Forums hivemind" so he himself has placed himself as independent from the community. I wasn't expecting this to build into a proper discussion. This is the opposite of how this usually works. It's going to build into a stalemate based on semantics if we keep going.
Gavin Reyes
I already understood the term meta, I suppose I just wasn't looking at the subject here deeply enough and just accepted it to be meta initially, rather than allowing doubt. though I think we may have gone way to far into analysing the implications of OP's use of the term meta, since I imagine he just put it on the post for the purpose of separating this heap of shit from the actual music discussion. and yes you are quite right, he does establish a "me vs. them" stance, perhaps not explicitly but definitely implicitly, while under the guise of acting as "one of us".
Christopher Hill
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Charles Barnes
Yeah, but your argument is entirely valid. It's a matter on context which is an iffy thing to place on a Sup Forums post a lot of the time. >the actual music discussion Doesn't he say there isn't any? I honestly don't remember. There probably isn't any though. I'm pretty sleepy. It was fun going back and forth with you user.
Connor Brooks
>he thinks I have a social life >he thinks I care about other people's opinions is it wrong to have interests? rather than scoffing at them from afar while being bitter? I entertain myself, develop hobbies/interests, and have fun whether through music or other pursuits..
you don't sound like you're having fun.
Brayden Ward
I'm going to second this. Only not even a 10th of that thread is about music. Just two+ idiots trying to outbait each other.
Political beliefs of individual Sup Forumstants notwithstanding, what is keeping Sup Forums from holding a civil discussion about RAC? Like it or not, RAC was as legitimate a youth subculture outgrowth as NS Black Metal currently is.
Even feminist music threads can exist among the sea of neckbeards.
Jordan Price
>you don't sound like you're having fun. Nobody here is. That's the biggest tragedy of all.
Grayson Hill
>Kanye West doing the tastemaking Five years ago, maybe. Nowadays, I think Tyler the Creator holds greater sway of Sup Forumstants besides Taylor Swift and Grimes.
Dominic White
Sup Forums gets a lot better during the late night hours on weekdays. Coincidence?
Dominic Ross
Good post. Sup Forums has become such a normiefest
Samuel Stewart
This thread is the chemo curing this board.
Landon Myers
most embarrassing post in this thread
Brandon Gomez
Wow you don't even know what a strawman is
Justin Howard
>being anti-communist is exclusive to Sup Forums
Jose Evans
>Taylor Swift this board is beyond redemption
Gabriel Harris
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Josiah Rodriguez
It's okay to discuss politics related to bands, especially if they were political from the outset, but when the entire thread just becomes a discussion about politics itself, then you have a problem. It disrupts the thread and instead just devolves into a baiting match.
See
Nathan Hernandez
Even Sup Forumsacks hate Kekistan.
Joshua Ramirez
Taylor Swift has been Sup Forums-approved for more than half a decade now.
Jaxson Gomez
Nice pasta. The real reason Sup Forums is a dumpster fire is all the Sup Forums bait threads and mods who clearly don’t give enough of a shit to prune them regularly.
Noah Price
Blaming le Sup Forums boogeyman is pure projection.
Cooper Reyes
>get u̶b̶e̶r̶l̶e̶f̶t̶y̶ uberactive mods who ban Sup Forums behaviour and anything that looks like Sup Forums behaviour >board gets swiped even more by poptimism and trap rap >anyone who speaks out is deemed a Sup Forumstard and gets banned >???? >utopia
Leo Campbell
That sounds like hell. Anyone interested in popstars over the age of 12 are usually homosexuals, and trap rap is for knuckledraggers who like lyrically constipated music.
Aaron Williams
>while under the guise of acting as "one of us". God, I hate you.