Why is music so fucking boring now. the internet scene is just a mess of faggots still building upon the sad boy shit yung lean did. but now they call everything *lo-fi* when its all made in fl studio/ableton
indie rock is just full of dudes who can't seem to make anything relatable to any kid besides tfw no gf while making their twitter feed all identical talking about we feel sorry x for race blah blah were the good guys.
electronic music had hoped by now it seems like everybody's just doing some post-industrial crap or glitch pop crap. i mean its bit sad that aphex and autechre are still one of the few mass releasing material for their fans.
like what gives??? where's the next group of guys/girls who want to make some banging music and actually have a unique opinions on life gonna come about.
Not in this decade, its a good sign that you took notice of the numale dark age of music though
Nicholas Green
sounds like someone's mad they can't find the good stuff. good thing it's not my job to show you
Zachary Johnson
so basically you found nothing.
Daniel Smith
this guy gets it
Adam Myers
because post modernism
Thomas Hernandez
music is a political weapon, opinionated people that you speak of know to stay away from it cause any opportunity there was for them in music is gone desu
Sebastian Butler
"Sincerity" lost the fight when DFW killed himself, in its place are post-modern kids who wear the sincere mantle (indie rock, emo rap, etc.) and proudly post-modern people (trap, soundcloud industrial rap, etc.). Learn to love it or just stick to music from before the 80s.
Sebastian Ramirez
no once cares about david foster wallace
Lucas Perez
>"Sincerity" lost the fight when DFW killed himself Sure, David Foster Wallace was the last possible bastion of sincerity on the face of the planet, sure, he wasn't just a human being, sure, you can actually "aspire" "to be" "postmodern". Think before you shit words please, people that meet you in public cringe behind your back.
Noah Reyes
what's your point
Cameron Ward
Anyone with anything worth saying has enough intelligence to know that music is the worst place to say it - it's a totally saturated market, literally everyone writes sadboi acoustic indie folk, folk punk, experimental improv garbage, Ableton beats/EDM, or is a rapper. If you want relevance, you take to the social media world - why write an angry artsy punk song about socialized healthcare when you could spread your message on Facebook or make a meme that will reach far more people? This has killed every form of art as well, the only people who continue doing it are brainlets with affections for the past who think they too can fit in - all the modern poets are just state liberal arts college kids writing flowery prose about the feminine struggle in free verse, all the authors are just pretentious dorks who stand for nothing and believe in nothing but still think they have something to say, all the sculptors and painters would rather just ape the stylistic leaps of the dadaists rather than actually try and advance the medium themselves...
Isaiah Perry
t. Reddit foster wallace
Asher Gutierrez
As funny as it might sound, accessibility has ruined music.
Back then you had to go to record shops to get new music, know the proper people to get obscure music, have cash and connections to be a musician yourself. With the internet and modern technology anyone can download old Taiwanese folk music and rate it 2.5 stars on RYM and anyone can make a trap beat and upload it to soundcloud and get tons of subscribes. Music has lost the respect and uniqueness it once had and as such has become a commodity, something to put in the background like a kitsch art poster.
Austin Sanders
damn
Owen Hall
t. artwank shithead who thinks postmodernism is an aesthetic.
Leo Martinez
>implying that their wern't "tfw no GF" bands in the 90's
Eli Martin
music is an auditory cheesecake
Asher Gomez
Proving my point
Christian Bell
what point?
Brandon Jenkins
idk what all you people itt are talking about, there's still a bunch of good music being made today, you just have to find it
Isaac Wright
>wHaT pOInT?
Dominic Young
>where's the next group of guys/girls who want to make some banging music and actually have a unique opinions on life gonna come about.
Who is the last musician to have a unique opinion on life?
Jackson Lee
>is given a chance to be sincere and not a dick >deflects it with irony like a dick nice
Ethan Diaz
everything you say is right but you left out criticism of hip hop do that now
James Hernandez
If it makes you happier, I'm a complete loser and shitposting on Sup Forums is my way of coping
Michael Butler
Nice golden era syndrome. If you look for good music you'll find it. There's more experimentation now than ever before and tomorrow there'll be even more again.
Luis Murphy
All of commercial music is post modern. kys
Daniel Morgan
It's too easy to be an artist in the 21st century. The struggle necessary to get published was a driving factor that forced bands to evolve and develop their own sound and themes. Now, bandcamp and soundcloud provide a platform to anyone with a mic and/or DAW to publish their music for the entire planet to see. Most people don't bother putting in effort anymore either, because being "lo-fi" and talentless comes across as more sincere and heartfelt than actually putting in time learning how to sing, play and produce. This has also killed the means of finding new music, record stores (which had limited selection and forced you to take chances on new things rather than picking tags in your bandcamp comfort zone) are dead and the only music that really gets any broadcasting is the projects of older artists and some flavor of the month industry plants. Plus, music as a mean of spreading your thoughts on politics or society is pointless and unnecessary when you could just make a post on the internet about what you want to say without having to worry about how it fits your songs' constraints.
Plus, every form of music has received mainstream commercialization. You can find stores that sell unofficial t-shirts for anarchist groups because they have a cool aesthetic, harsh noise music plays on Adult Swim, every art girl in college has a collection of black metal and post-punk shirts, and free jazz and modern classical plays in mainstream movies in order to make characters look smart. There's not a single thing a young person can do to rebel besides shoot themselves in the head.
This has killed literally every form of art, by the way. Not just music.
Ryan Williams
vaporwave and industrial/idm rehashes but in a poptimist lens is pretty shitty experimentation buddy
Mason Perez
obsessed with image
Brody Mitchell
>music is a political weapon kid you know nothing. politics is just another wall you have to break to see something real.
Elijah Bell
Brb, this post gave me some ideas
Logan Morales
>art Name a contemporary artist. Name one currently active artist. I'm not asking you to name an entertainer, I'm asking you to name an artist. I know that you can't because anyone who knows anything about art isn't capable of writing what you did. So far as you blaming the availability of everything for your being too lazy to look for things yourself because back in the day the radio told you what to like; go buy a Jason Derulo shirt if you prefer the old way because the old way still exists.
Xavier White
>Thinking this is true Your a victim of Sup Forums core and opinion. All the music you mention is such a small subset that is basically hipster 2.0 with next level judgement and naively thinking the white kid music hipster stereotype doesn't apply because you listen esoteric and "le experimental" stuff. All that shit is the same cloth. Plus trying this hard to find some crazy meaning from music overlooks the point of art embodying the world view, experiences, personal expression etc of the artist. Connecting to that is where you find power in music. Years of quality wax and wane but not within this board. you can't have this view of music where surpreme confidence in your music taste somehow is so complete it can make you think like this post. The obvious confinement in styles and glaring short comings to outside voices is the mark of this boards influence and limitations
Justin Allen
banksy
Logan Lee
>Haha, two things I see people post on an anime website is all that exists You're a moron. Also, branding a genre as bad is fucking retarded.
Logan Diaz
poor david forester wallace
Adam Bennett
Lol. That's the equivalent of being asked for a musician and naming Pitbull.
Julian Long
the dude who cut a shark in half and put it in the moma
Kevin Russell
>The struggle necessary to get published was a driving factor that forced bands to evolve and develop their own sound and themes. wrong, it's called ambition.
>Most people don't bother putting in effort anymore either, because being "lo-fi" and talentless comes across as more sincere and heartfelt than actually putting in time learning how to sing, play and produce. right and wrong. only kids who can't do anything yet use the term lo-fi wrong and have no clue about the history of it
>This has also killed the means of finding new music, record stores (which had limited selection and forced you to take chances on new things rather than picking tags in your bandcamp comfort zone) just because one monopoly is dead is no excuse for you to be lazy.
>There's not a single thing a young person can do to rebel besides shoot themselves in the head. wrong. do something really radical and grow up. learn and unschool yourself.
>This has killed literally every form of art, by the way. Not just music. wrong. just because you are blind doesn't mean there are no colors.
Thomas Howard
>indie rock is just full of dudes who can't seem to make anything relatable to any kid besides tfw no gf
I personally appreciate this. I'm sick of all love songs being about getting dumped, where are the songs about not being able to get into relationships in the first place?
Nicholas Hall
Pitbull
Wyatt Taylor
>you can't name some obscure performance artists from the 60s
Please dont make knowing certain artists elitism a thing. Just leave it be.
Alexander Price
You can't even name celebrity artists, you don't know anything about art. Stop pretending that you do.
Camden Gonzalez
you're free to give us recs of your own and "educate" us because as it stands you're offering us nothing of value but memetic rhetoric and slander
or is this supposed to be meta and criticism of modern culture?
Samuel King
>just because you are blind doesn't mean there are no colors. Holy fuck what a line
Carter James
word thats how you graduated art school just listed a bunch of celebrites? maybe i should go
Jaxson Mitchell
Give me one good crunkcore album
Chase Nguyen
Bas Jan Ader
Noah Gray
David Hammons
Henry Edwards
>can't elite music on Sup Forums so suddenly you decide that to appreciate this art you must also know about about painters, sculptors, chinese poetry masters, and michelin star chefs you are a huge faggot who can't even pretend he got worked so look for some other random shit to cling desperately to your elite opinion of yourself.
kys
Liam Jackson
Not the user you are talking to, but as someone who is attending art school, studying Fine Art - I was wondering, who are you're favourite artists?
Jack Robinson
The internet was a mistake.
Nolan Young
>I make statements about art but can't name a single living artist >When asked to name one I will make a strawman about experimental art-making from 50 years ago that the stupid dads in my American cartoons called bad as a way for the writers to show that the character is stupid while making light of absurdity in art. Wow, you're so cultured. I'll make sure to take your understanding of art in 2017 and the sociological effects of the availability of media in the internet age.
Isaiah Torres
>implying the message comes before the art
And this is where you're wrong.
Julian Butler
Lil Xan is art.
Ryan Barnes
wow i hate you so much and i am not user. what the fuck does having some appreciation of other art forms have to do with this specific art form of music. you are suggesting that you can't appreciate literature without a knowledge of landscape paintings. you are a faggot who is trying to gatekeep music behind nonsense.
Music is based on physics so i think your opinions are invalid unless you can talk about long range optical communications and the next advances in fiber light sourced signal processing
Aaron Wright
Flipping hell user whats up?
I wasnt even the user previously talking with you, I was just saying to chill and not make this a whole elitist thing
Kevin Wood
You cant be serious
Ethan Parker
Anything by Blink 182.
Joshua Cook
Music is not based on physics. Get your shit straight.
Music didn't begin because Pythagoras worked out string ratios.
Jacob Smith
I asked a question, I'm not your teacher. If you don't know about something don't make wild statements about it. If you want to learn about contemporary art then use your internet connection. >memetic I never discussed the theory of viral cultural particles that make up all of culture, the fuck are you talking about?
No, but I have had a solid career in art and a big part of that involves understanding a subject before ranting about it on the internet as well as doing something instead of moping because the world hasn't done it on your behalf.
>Someone makes statement about art >Call them out on it >Hurr you know something I don't so you is bad !
I hate them all, but Parreno is cool.
Kevin Bennett
user why aren't you answering my question? I'm genuinely interested
Jayden Brooks
are you taking about your twitter acount?
Isaac Lee
The burden of proof is on you.
Daniel Green
>not understanding the physics of musics >probably thinks music would sound same on other planets >doesn't know what music theory is and all musics base in producing soundwaves with specifically designed materials well Pythagoras was a mathematician so shut the fuck up about music you pleb
Christian Miller
My bad you just did.
>I hate them all.
You hate all artist but Parreno? okay.
Blake Wilson
>I hate them all, but Parreno is cool. Top 10 anime plot twists
Nicholas Edwards
>but I have had a solid career in art
Oh please tell me more
Jason Nelson
Hahah fuck kek
Luis Bennett
>I asked a question, I'm not your teacher. If you don't know about something don't make wild statements about it. If you want to learn about contemporary art then use your internet connection. derrida is that you?
Jordan Brown
Music is a political weapon since the greeks at least. They used to use music to teach how to be a citizen and to create a sense of belonging to a specific territory and to be more attached to some kind of people
Andrew Russell
>all there reddit nihilists saying "redpilled" bullshit about how art is dead because you can find it easily Go back to masturbating to Peterson. I'm sure if you clean your room enough, you'll eventually get a girlfriend.
Henry Cook
Who are you quoting?
Mason Harris
I know more music theory than you do, probably. I know about the harmonic overtone series, about how different harmonics affect timbre and pitch, etc.
No one's talking about music on other planets. We're confined to this one. But if you're truly going down that route, you could've easily said something about music sounding different transmitted through water, metal or other media. Not that it has any relevance to your initial argument, anyway.
I'm saying that music as an art form did not arise because we learned to manipulate skin tension for pitches in drums, or because we learned to tune strings, or because we learned how open and closed tubes affect frequency production.
Music has nothing to do with physics. Physics lies behind the music, of course, and technology serves to further advance experimentation in music. But producing music is a far more primal urge than manipulating tubes and strings. We were making music way before that, and we probably will if we don't go extinct in the next century or two.
And you have no idea how elemental Pythagoras' ideas were to music in ancient Greece. I bet you have no idea how music was utilized in ancient Greece, too.
Benjamin Jackson
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Jose Gomez
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Levi Moore
these spoonfeeding threads won't work out for you, you'll get some random name and no reason to care about it, you'll put it on in the background while looking at bullshit online, and you'll feel nothing, which will convince you more that you know everything. you deserve this.
Jayden Jackson
Art will never die as long as there is time to make it The art world, however, is more fucked now than it has ever been. And it's only going to get worse.
Levi Campbell
You are into music because you want to make music and have that be "your purpose". But you can't. So instead you revolve you're life around analyzing the music that everyone else is making.
Other people don't care about music that much, so they just listen to whatever. This angers you.
Elijah Campbell
I hate when Indie retards think Alt-Rock and surface level IDM is the only form of music that exists (and don't give me that "hurr just because it's obscure doesn't mean it's good" because that's not what i'm saying either). Just because you don't like those new tunes that you only listen to while driving and going to sleep doesn't mean the entirety of music is ""dead"".
Owen Flores
>actually have a unique opinions on life gonna come about. AHAHAHA, good luck. I was the first/last. they just fill in the blanks for the rest.
Aiden Anderson
Lol parading music theory as understanding of physics. Music evolved exactly from learning this physics to grow to today. Look at the lack of music, outside chanting maybe, that modern uncontacted tribes have. Plebs like you don't have to understand what's happening to harness physics for improving and expanding our music tradition.
Also we know you love the greeks, you have used them as a reference many times itt.
>You are so prepared for your discussions as long as it's not really music or anything it outside of visual art or fucking Greek history
Oliver Gomez
It does. Art is a philosophical pursuit where an individual attempts to materialise a concept so that an audience can understand it the way it was imagined to begin with.
>hehe, I'm offended by information that is contrary to my random assumptions about terms I never bothered to read into so I'll claim you need to 'chill out' This is a discussion board. f you get offended by discussions then fuck off to reddit.
>art form Nice bourgeois fallacy, pleb.
You're not making any sense.
I was mostly being sarcastic, I like loads of guys but what I like isn't really important. Kobo Abe's books are a bigger influence on my work than any artist. As far as commercial music goes, I'm really into Tentenko right now. If you want a household name art guy then, I dunno, Kosuth was cool and there's one guy I liked called Mathieu LeFevre but he died the day after I discovered him.
I am also very handsome. Even saying this much puts my identity at risk, pls understand.
Essentially.
James Morgan
Aristoteles used to said that there are activities that are made as a good for itself and others that are a good to achieve something else. I think that, from this point of view, you are right about what you said about physics and music because, even if we learned how to tune strings, we use that knowlege in physics TO create music. Therefore physics is not a knowledge for itself, in this case, but a knowledge to achieve something else. In that order music is more perfect or virtous than physics and we can even say that physics are subordinate to music.
Thomas Fisher
holy shit fuck off
Camden Hall
its the internet and cultural marxism that has taught everyone to hate everything about western culture
a return of culture would require 1. the internet becoming viewed as a spiritual poison to the point where it is highly unfashionable to use it for anything besides work 2. destruction of cultural marxism/leftist politics and a return to gratitude and appreciation for what the west provides
Connor Williams
>how dare you discuss something on a discussion board with other people ! >pls stop being knowledgeable on a subject being discussed in this thread and just agree with me on my retarded ideologies ! You're the one who needs to fuck off.
Austin Turner
Name one (1) modern popular music artist that does something new instead of imitating older styles or mishmashing various old styles together and presenting them as "new"
The internet killed everything. Anyone who disagrees does not understand the inevitable cultural implications of the concept.
Jason Clark
peterson is shit
Jeremiah Stewart
Oh yeah name one modern South American sculptor. Hmm can't, suck it peasent
William Hall
You want me to write an essay about fucking pitch class set theory in response? Fuck off.
Physics does not advance music directly. Music does not exist within physics. It's only a tool. Music is purely a human art form. I'm not gonna reply any further if you're gonna keep coming with these shitty strawman arguments.
And educate yourself. Gain some culture. Learn why our culture is the way it is. Surely you would've studied the origins of modern music if you cared so much about it.
This guy gets it. (and is probably the only reply in agreement I've ever received in this site. thanks random user)
I disagree. I don't believe art necessarily expresses a message that can be put into words. Otherwise, why use art when you can directly transmit that message? Art doesn't really need to say anything concrete. It doesn't need to exist as a messenger; often times it exists for itself. Politicizing art is a very dangerous practice that has gained steam with post modernism, sadly.
Joshua Cook
>modern classical plays in mainstream movies in order to make characters look smart This has literally never happened
Connor Baker
Music is a way to comunicate something, we can even said that a song is an statement or a discourse about something. There are no statements or discourses that are no related to a statement that were said before the new one. Therefore, there is no way to create music as somethng purely new.
Brody Bailey
Agueda Dicancro suck my dick
Colton Barnes
>Music is purely a human art form my dude have you ever heard of a bird