Why is music so fucking boring now...

Why is music so fucking boring now. the internet scene is just a mess of faggots still building upon the sad boy shit yung lean did. but now they call everything *lo-fi* when its all made in fl studio/ableton

indie rock is just full of dudes who can't seem to make anything relatable to any kid besides tfw no gf while making their twitter feed all identical talking about we feel sorry x for race blah blah were the good guys.

electronic music had hoped by now it seems like everybody's just doing some post-industrial crap or glitch pop crap. i mean its bit sad that aphex and autechre are still one of the few mass releasing material for their fans.

like what gives??? where's the next group of guys/girls who want to make some banging music and actually have a unique opinions on life gonna come about.

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Not in this decade, its a good sign that you took notice of the numale dark age of music though

sounds like someone's mad they can't find the good stuff. good thing it's not my job to show you

so basically you found nothing.

this guy gets it

because post modernism

music is a political weapon, opinionated people that you speak of know to stay away from it cause any opportunity there was for them in music is gone desu

"Sincerity" lost the fight when DFW killed himself, in its place are post-modern kids who wear the sincere mantle (indie rock, emo rap, etc.) and proudly post-modern people (trap, soundcloud industrial rap, etc.). Learn to love it or just stick to music from before the 80s.

no once cares about david foster wallace

>"Sincerity" lost the fight when DFW killed himself
Sure, David Foster Wallace was the last possible bastion of sincerity on the face of the planet, sure, he wasn't just a human being, sure, you can actually "aspire" "to be" "postmodern".
Think before you shit words please, people that meet you in public cringe behind your back.

what's your point

Anyone with anything worth saying has enough intelligence to know that music is the worst place to say it - it's a totally saturated market, literally everyone writes sadboi acoustic indie folk, folk punk, experimental improv garbage, Ableton beats/EDM, or is a rapper. If you want relevance, you take to the social media world - why write an angry artsy punk song about socialized healthcare when you could spread your message on Facebook or make a meme that will reach far more people? This has killed every form of art as well, the only people who continue doing it are brainlets with affections for the past who think they too can fit in - all the modern poets are just state liberal arts college kids writing flowery prose about the feminine struggle in free verse, all the authors are just pretentious dorks who stand for nothing and believe in nothing but still think they have something to say, all the sculptors and painters would rather just ape the stylistic leaps of the dadaists rather than actually try and advance the medium themselves...

t. Reddit foster wallace

As funny as it might sound, accessibility has ruined music.

Back then you had to go to record shops to get new music, know the proper people to get obscure music, have cash and connections to be a musician yourself. With the internet and modern technology anyone can download old Taiwanese folk music and rate it 2.5 stars on RYM and anyone can make a trap beat and upload it to soundcloud and get tons of subscribes. Music has lost the respect and uniqueness it once had and as such has become a commodity, something to put in the background like a kitsch art poster.

damn

t. artwank shithead who thinks postmodernism is an aesthetic.

>implying that their wern't "tfw no GF" bands in the 90's

music is an auditory cheesecake

Proving my point

what point?

idk what all you people itt are talking about, there's still a bunch of good music being made today, you just have to find it

>wHaT pOInT?

>where's the next group of guys/girls who want to make some banging music and actually have a unique opinions on life gonna come about.

Who is the last musician to have a unique opinion on life?

>is given a chance to be sincere and not a dick
>deflects it with irony like a dick
nice

everything you say is right but you left out criticism of hip hop
do that now

If it makes you happier, I'm a complete loser and shitposting on Sup Forums is my way of coping

Nice golden era syndrome.
If you look for good music you'll find it. There's more experimentation now than ever before and tomorrow there'll be even more again.

All of commercial music is post modern. kys

It's too easy to be an artist in the 21st century. The struggle necessary to get published was a driving factor that forced bands to evolve and develop their own sound and themes. Now, bandcamp and soundcloud provide a platform to anyone with a mic and/or DAW to publish their music for the entire planet to see. Most people don't bother putting in effort anymore either, because being "lo-fi" and talentless comes across as more sincere and heartfelt than actually putting in time learning how to sing, play and produce. This has also killed the means of finding new music, record stores (which had limited selection and forced you to take chances on new things rather than picking tags in your bandcamp comfort zone) are dead and the only music that really gets any broadcasting is the projects of older artists and some flavor of the month industry plants. Plus, music as a mean of spreading your thoughts on politics or society is pointless and unnecessary when you could just make a post on the internet about what you want to say without having to worry about how it fits your songs' constraints.

Plus, every form of music has received mainstream commercialization. You can find stores that sell unofficial t-shirts for anarchist groups because they have a cool aesthetic, harsh noise music plays on Adult Swim, every art girl in college has a collection of black metal and post-punk shirts, and free jazz and modern classical plays in mainstream movies in order to make characters look smart. There's not a single thing a young person can do to rebel besides shoot themselves in the head.

This has killed literally every form of art, by the way. Not just music.

vaporwave and industrial/idm rehashes but in a poptimist lens is pretty shitty experimentation buddy

obsessed with image

>music is a political weapon
kid you know nothing.
politics is just another wall you have to break to see something real.

Brb, this post gave me some ideas

>art
Name a contemporary artist. Name one currently active artist. I'm not asking you to name an entertainer, I'm asking you to name an artist. I know that you can't because anyone who knows anything about art isn't capable of writing what you did.
So far as you blaming the availability of everything for your being too lazy to look for things yourself because back in the day the radio told you what to like; go buy a Jason Derulo shirt if you prefer the old way because the old way still exists.

>Thinking this is true
Your a victim of Sup Forums core and opinion. All the music you mention is such a small subset that is basically hipster 2.0 with next level judgement and naively thinking the white kid music hipster stereotype doesn't apply because you listen esoteric and "le experimental" stuff. All that shit is the same cloth. Plus trying this hard to find some crazy meaning from music overlooks the point of art embodying the world view, experiences, personal expression etc of the artist. Connecting to that is where you find power in music. Years of quality wax and wane but not within this board. you can't have this view of music where surpreme confidence in your music taste somehow is so complete it can make you think like this post. The obvious confinement in styles and glaring short comings to outside voices is the mark of this boards influence and limitations

banksy

>Haha, two things I see people post on an anime website is all that exists
You're a moron. Also, branding a genre as bad is fucking retarded.

poor david forester wallace

Lol. That's the equivalent of being asked for a musician and naming Pitbull.

the dude who cut a shark in half and put it in the moma

>The struggle necessary to get published was a driving factor that forced bands to evolve and develop their own sound and themes.
wrong, it's called ambition.

>Most people don't bother putting in effort anymore either, because being "lo-fi" and talentless comes across as more sincere and heartfelt than actually putting in time learning how to sing, play and produce.
right and wrong. only kids who can't do anything yet use the term lo-fi wrong and have no clue about the history of it

>This has also killed the means of finding new music, record stores (which had limited selection and forced you to take chances on new things rather than picking tags in your bandcamp comfort zone)
just because one monopoly is dead is no excuse for you to be lazy.

>There's not a single thing a young person can do to rebel besides shoot themselves in the head.
wrong. do something really radical and grow up.
learn and unschool yourself.

>This has killed literally every form of art, by the way. Not just music.
wrong. just because you are blind doesn't mean there are no colors.

>indie rock is just full of dudes who can't seem to make anything relatable to any kid besides tfw no gf

I personally appreciate this. I'm sick of all love songs being about getting dumped, where are the songs about not being able to get into relationships in the first place?

Pitbull

>you can't name some obscure performance artists from the 60s

Please dont make knowing certain artists elitism a thing. Just leave it be.

You can't even name celebrity artists, you don't know anything about art. Stop pretending that you do.

you're free to give us recs of your own and "educate" us because as it stands you're offering us nothing of value but memetic rhetoric and slander

or is this supposed to be meta and criticism of modern culture?

>just because you are blind doesn't mean there are no colors.
Holy fuck what a line

word thats how you graduated art school just listed a bunch of celebrites? maybe i should go

Give me one good crunkcore album

Bas Jan Ader

David Hammons

>can't elite music on Sup Forums so suddenly you decide that to appreciate this art you must also know about about painters, sculptors, chinese poetry masters, and michelin star chefs
you are a huge faggot who can't even pretend he got worked so look for some other random shit to cling desperately to your elite opinion of yourself.

kys

Not the user you are talking to, but as someone who is attending art school, studying Fine Art - I was wondering, who are you're favourite artists?

The internet was a mistake.

>I make statements about art but can't name a single living artist
>When asked to name one I will make a strawman about experimental art-making from 50 years ago that the stupid dads in my American cartoons called bad as a way for the writers to show that the character is stupid while making light of absurdity in art.
Wow, you're so cultured. I'll make sure to take your understanding of art in 2017 and the sociological effects of the availability of media in the internet age.

>implying the message comes before the art

And this is where you're wrong.

Lil Xan is art.

wow i hate you so much and i am not user. what the fuck does having some appreciation of other art forms have to do with this specific art form of music. you are suggesting that you can't appreciate literature without a knowledge of landscape paintings. you are a faggot who is trying to gatekeep music behind nonsense.

Music is based on physics so i think your opinions are invalid unless you can talk about long range optical communications and the next advances in fiber light sourced signal processing

Flipping hell user whats up?

I wasnt even the user previously talking with you, I was just saying to chill and not make this a whole elitist thing

You cant be serious

Anything by Blink 182.

Music is not based on physics. Get your shit straight.

Music didn't begin because Pythagoras worked out string ratios.

I asked a question, I'm not your teacher. If you don't know about something don't make wild statements about it. If you want to learn about contemporary art then use your internet connection.
>memetic
I never discussed the theory of viral cultural particles that make up all of culture, the fuck are you talking about?

No, but I have had a solid career in art and a big part of that involves understanding a subject before ranting about it on the internet as well as doing something instead of moping because the world hasn't done it on your behalf.

>Someone makes statement about art
>Call them out on it
>Hurr you know something I don't so you is bad !

I hate them all, but Parreno is cool.

user why aren't you answering my question? I'm genuinely interested

are you taking about your twitter acount?

The burden of proof is on you.

>not understanding the physics of musics
>probably thinks music would sound same on other planets
>doesn't know what music theory is and all musics base in producing soundwaves with specifically designed materials
well Pythagoras was a mathematician so shut the fuck up about music you pleb

My bad you just did.

>I hate them all.

You hate all artist but Parreno? okay.

>I hate them all, but Parreno is cool.
Top 10 anime plot twists

>but I have had a solid career in art

Oh please tell me more

Hahah fuck kek

>I asked a question, I'm not your teacher. If you don't know about something don't make wild statements about it. If you want to learn about contemporary art then use your internet connection.
derrida is that you?

Music is a political weapon since the greeks at least. They used to use music to teach how to be a citizen and to create a sense of belonging to a specific territory and to be more attached to some kind of people

>all there reddit nihilists saying "redpilled" bullshit about how art is dead because you can find it easily
Go back to masturbating to Peterson. I'm sure if you clean your room enough, you'll eventually get a girlfriend.

Who are you quoting?

I know more music theory than you do, probably. I know about the harmonic overtone series, about how different harmonics affect timbre and pitch, etc.

No one's talking about music on other planets. We're confined to this one. But if you're truly going down that route, you could've easily said something about music sounding different transmitted through water, metal or other media. Not that it has any relevance to your initial argument, anyway.

I'm saying that music as an art form did not arise because we learned to manipulate skin tension for pitches in drums, or because we learned to tune strings, or because we learned how open and closed tubes affect frequency production.

Music has nothing to do with physics. Physics lies behind the music, of course, and technology serves to further advance experimentation in music. But producing music is a far more primal urge than manipulating tubes and strings. We were making music way before that, and we probably will if we don't go extinct in the next century or two.

And you have no idea how elemental Pythagoras' ideas were to music in ancient Greece. I bet you have no idea how music was utilized in ancient Greece, too.

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these spoonfeeding threads won't work out for you, you'll get some random name and no reason to care about it, you'll put it on in the background while looking at bullshit online, and you'll feel nothing, which will convince you more that you know everything. you deserve this.

Art will never die as long as there is time to make it
The art world, however, is more fucked now than it has ever been. And it's only going to get worse.

You are into music because you want to make music and have that be "your purpose". But you can't. So instead you revolve you're life around analyzing the music that everyone else is making.

Other people don't care about music that much, so they just listen to whatever. This angers you.

I hate when Indie retards think Alt-Rock and surface level IDM is the only form of music that exists (and don't give me that "hurr just because it's obscure doesn't mean it's good" because that's not what i'm saying either). Just because you don't like those new tunes that you only listen to while driving and going to sleep doesn't mean the entirety of music is ""dead"".

>actually have a unique opinions on life gonna come about.
AHAHAHA, good luck. I was the first/last. they just fill in the blanks for the rest.

Lol parading music theory as understanding of physics. Music evolved exactly from learning this physics to grow to today. Look at the lack of music, outside chanting maybe, that modern uncontacted tribes have. Plebs like you don't have to understand what's happening to harness physics for improving and expanding our music tradition.

Also we know you love the greeks, you have used them as a reference many times itt.

>You are so prepared for your discussions
as long as it's not really music or anything it outside of visual art or fucking Greek history

It does. Art is a philosophical pursuit where an individual attempts to materialise a concept so that an audience can understand it the way it was imagined to begin with.

>hehe, I'm offended by information that is contrary to my random assumptions about terms I never bothered to read into so I'll claim you need to 'chill out'
This is a discussion board. f you get offended by discussions then fuck off to reddit.

>art form
Nice bourgeois fallacy, pleb.

You're not making any sense.

I was mostly being sarcastic, I like loads of guys but what I like isn't really important.
Kobo Abe's books are a bigger influence on my work than any artist. As far as commercial music goes, I'm really into Tentenko right now. If you want a household name art guy then, I dunno, Kosuth was cool and there's one guy I liked called Mathieu LeFevre but he died the day after I discovered him.

I am also very handsome. Even saying this much puts my identity at risk, pls understand.

Essentially.

Aristoteles used to said that there are activities that are made as a good for itself and others that are a good to achieve something else. I think that, from this point of view, you are right about what you said about physics and music because, even if we learned how to tune strings, we use that knowlege in physics TO create music. Therefore physics is not a knowledge for itself, in this case, but a knowledge to achieve something else.
In that order music is more perfect or virtous than physics and we can even say that physics are subordinate to music.

holy shit fuck off

its the internet and cultural marxism that has taught everyone to hate everything about western culture

a return of culture would require
1. the internet becoming viewed as a spiritual poison to the point where it is highly unfashionable to use it for anything besides work
2. destruction of cultural marxism/leftist politics and a return to gratitude and appreciation for what the west provides

>how dare you discuss something on a discussion board with other people !
>pls stop being knowledgeable on a subject being discussed in this thread and just agree with me on my retarded ideologies !
You're the one who needs to fuck off.

Name one (1) modern popular music artist that does something new instead of imitating older styles or mishmashing various old styles together and presenting them as "new"

youtube.com/watch?v=Mf5nfq0FVTE

The internet killed everything. Anyone who disagrees does not understand the inevitable cultural implications of the concept.

peterson is shit

Oh yeah name one modern South American sculptor. Hmm can't, suck it peasent

You want me to write an essay about fucking pitch class set theory in response? Fuck off.

Physics does not advance music directly. Music does not exist within physics. It's only a tool. Music is purely a human art form. I'm not gonna reply any further if you're gonna keep coming with these shitty strawman arguments.

And educate yourself. Gain some culture. Learn why our culture is the way it is. Surely you would've studied the origins of modern music if you cared so much about it.

This guy gets it. (and is probably the only reply in agreement I've ever received in this site. thanks random user)

I disagree. I don't believe art necessarily expresses a message that can be put into words. Otherwise, why use art when you can directly transmit that message?
Art doesn't really need to say anything concrete. It doesn't need to exist as a messenger; often times it exists for itself. Politicizing art is a very dangerous practice that has gained steam with post modernism, sadly.

>modern classical plays in mainstream movies in order to make characters look smart
This has literally never happened

Music is a way to comunicate something, we can even said that a song is an statement or a discourse about something.
There are no statements or discourses that are no related to a statement that were said before the new one.
Therefore, there is no way to create music as somethng purely new.

Agueda Dicancro
suck my dick

>Music is purely a human art form
my dude have you ever heard of a bird

t. numale soy boy