It makes me cringe that people still believe in god. After thousands of years of progress we, as a species, developed technology, which allowed us to reach Moon, yet people still believe that god created everything and he is a bearded man living on a cloud above us. Stop being monkeys and get your shit together, we are not living in a prehistoric age, educate yourself about the world around you and will find the truth.
I understand that in the past people NEEDED god to explain unknown phenomena, as well as to have someone, who can always listen to their problems and give consolation.
Now we have knowledge, but people still are too lazy to try and understand how everything works.
God is an easier concept to comprehend for them - therefore, god is a modern sign of ignorance and stagnation.
It makes me cringe that people still believe in god. After thousands of years of progress we, as a species...
Without god or religion we have no sense of morality. Whether or not you believe in god isn’t important. Society needs god and religion as it’s way to place a moral foundation on which society can operate.
No gods = suicide goes ^
Morality lies deep inside every person - it is you who decides what is good and what is bad, not god.
The god of the holy bible is a vile, violent, immoral creature of the worst kind! Have you read the bible?
I wonder if it matters that your post highlights the general disrespect given to the entity you refer to as being "god".
In a universe given to "god", this entity wouldn't allow such blatant blasphemy to repeatedly occur, especially when the repercussions are so brightly reflected on an ever forgetful youth.
You're probably 18 OP but even thats too old to be doing this, Stop.
You idiot, proof of a supreme being is in our DNA. There is absolutely no chance that universal randomness, over any period of time, would create a code of such complexity and detail.
Intelligent design must have an intelligent designer.
good/bad for people and religion just makes it easier for kids to understand
You are 100% wrong. I dont think you understand how much time we have all had to evolve.
God would be ashamed of you
Assuming that God is, then believing in him or not doesn't make a difference.
Except on the eternity that god creates for purpose, and if it is unfulfilled then "he" might have to recycle his creations and try again
If he could do that, he could just make the universe in such a way that the purpose could not remain unfulfilled.
True...The universe could be made so.
But does our universe present itself as one with or without purpose?
Universe has no purpose. We are byproduct of chemical reactions and billions of years of evolution.
>without
If there were, we would not seek purpose for our entire lives. You may argue that THAT is our purpose but that's not logically objective to the universe as a whole, it wholly subjective because of perspective.
>does our universe present itself as one with or without purpose?
Can we even know?
If purpose is sought after then there exists a prerequisite belief from the seeker that it must also exist.
That purpose is then created by the seeker. Allowing the seeker to create purpose by seeking.
This can be further explored by a case where we allow the seeker power to create their own purpose. Does this seeker use their power of creation to their well being or do they use it to their detriment?
If "god" is real, he probably doesn't even care about us. We are like dust in the wind, nothing compared to the enormity of universe.
100% agree. It is high time we get rid of religions. Or at least if you need an imaginary friend to guide you, don't pick one that turns you into a dumbfuck who will stop eating pork, cover women with rags, go on crusades or blow himself up in a crowd. Just pick a fucking flying spaghetti monster or make a new one. Nobody fucking cares at the universe scale.
Having asked a question we can rely on there being an answer... although the person who asks may not be the one whos answered
I kek'd, but you are right. It is so easy to manipulate people nowadays...
If you have a set of morals only because divine big brother is watching you you are a bad person and your omnipotent deity should see through that when judging you.
Survival is the only purpose there is, if any.
Yet you can't prove your baseless claims.
this is plain bullshit
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeee
It makes me so mad that people still believe in fucking religions this is ridiculous.
Wake the fuck up you are not a cute little miracle loved by a magic entity. You are just a tiny pile of organic matter crawling on a little rock among billions.
Are we really going to talk about morality on Sup Forums
>technoLOGy
If you don't believe in god, you're not seeing shit for what it really is.
Most christians don't get what god is. they see a cartoony white dude in the sky that tells them they should fear him or burn in hell. This is the result of ages of political fear conditioning.
God is real though. I used to be like you, but once you see it, you can't unsee it. You realize it's everywhere around you, that is IS you.
Yep, you're god. you can come closer to yourself and god by stepping out of the mirror, and listening.
>thousands of years of progress
>still cannot disprove God exists
Trying this hard to be edgy...
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Yea. It's far edgier to think God exists. Which he does.
>Druggie detected
Wwhave even more unknown phenomena not even scientists can explain. Humans have always had knowledge but compared to the universe we are still nothing it actually makes me cringe seeing people like you that think we are some kind of supreme beings.
I'm not religious but boy even though we know more about our world and beyond but its still nothing, no one even knows what a number is (and I'm not talking about a definition but what it actually is) and you think we know what god is or even know if it exists?
That's the key, mate. Get out of school and do drugs. Live life. Do everything your body compels you to do and you'll see.
Prove it then.
I know because I too have seen it. It's so simple a connection too that people miss it so easily, the way everything fits together from sub-atomic particles, clear up to galaxies and the universe itself.
This is you
Bu... but science i.. is.. is.. is not always right!!!!!!
*immense sweating on keyboard*
I see what you're saying, but just because we have science/knowledge and technology doesn't mean God does not exist. Theoretically God could have just created the universe and we are just discovering how it works.
>technoLOGy
Soooo... all these years studying quatum physics, astrophysics, for nothing? I could just have taken LSD or shrooms and I would understand everything like you? Please tell me more about things that fit together. It makes my wiener all funny
>It makes me cringe that people still believe in God.
Go cringing, you edgy faggot. You got too much magnetic waves around your head. Pic rel8.
>quatum physics, astrophysics
It's just compiling the data to form an obvious solution from what is available, that includes those you mentioned. We're pattern recognition organisms at heart.
Yes. I believe that reality is sentient. There is no empty space. Everything is connected to a singular consciousness. It's kind of like going schizophrenic once you start to see the patterns.
It's crazy how the old legends start to make sense. Terrifying, actually. To think that Jormyngandr is real, and swallowing our galaxy as we speak.Those old cultures knew some crazy shit.
It doesn't perturb me that people still believe in God. Early humans were probably hearing voices they didn't know to be their own inner narrative. Some may have been nuts. Some people have compulsive behaviors. Humans have the capacity to choose or succumb to suffering over the optimal path. That's just what it is. It doesn't bewilder me in the slightest. We are great apes. We did not evolve significantly in 17,000 years, in a way that you can say that we should magically ascend to some kind of, well, godhood. There hasn't been a significant ratification of instinct and mode in humans for us to expect some magic crystalline way of being. We still fall to run. Our brains, they still aren't optimized to play chess, instead, to fall forwards fast. We still play to the tune of tribal behavior. We're not even close to being "enlightened". We. All of us, we. Not even some of us, "we". It isn't even necessarily because of laziness.
Not a soul in this thread is going to know every known thing every human has ever known, not yet, probably never. Better men have seen and said the same, and have died, nothing having truly changed since then. It can't even be said to be a novel thought or observation.
I could care more about people believing in a God.
This is not true.
Okay, you realise it states that "threat processing" is weakened right? Suggesting that the main reason people are religious is because of the threat of hell. That's it, not because of any logic or rationale, it's just fear.
god isn't a dude with a beard on a cloud, it's the universal force that created the universe. it IS the universe and we are facets of it, experiencing god through different perspectives.
>universal force
>created the universe
Water is the oceanic force that created the ocean.
This is true.
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All 3 counts are false. Jayden Smith?
How Can Mirrors Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real
Really?
That makes you cringe?
The fact that we are systematically endorsing schizophrenia through our entertainment, empowering unnatural and unhealthy lifestyles and foods, smokes, drinks and drugs, or the fact that we all secretly hate each other to the point of bloodshed and war, or the fact that we cannot fucking unify behind one purpose such as leaving this planet to settle elsewhere, or the fact that we have more money passing celebrity hands than cancer victims, or the fact that we are nothing short of a fucking plague to the planet don't bother you?
I mean really? Of all the human flaws, you are shilling against religion, because THAT is our problem?
No kiddo, that isn't the problem
We are the problem.
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Have you any idea what the concept of nature is?
Cultures devouring cultures.
Bacteria feasting on other organisms. The notion of human importance is false. We are not important, or divine or sacred. We are animals that think they aren't, we are broken animals basically.
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I would wager that we're just animals. If we're broken, that would make us unique or sacred or "different".
Octopi don't seem broken.
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There is no moral code
There is no "wrong thing" or "right thing", there is only survival as a biological organism translated into social means.
Tell me, if a human, clever enough, aware enough predator got away with it for 40 years, then do you really think what he was doing is unnatural? Do you think nature would view him or her as an anomaly?
Nature dictates that you have teeth, a dick, and strong backs.
Nature dictates that you follow your programming, but we the "enlightened" love to sit in our checkered lodges and pretend to be above it.
We shove morality and dogma down each others throats pretending to be "divine and sacred"
We aren't, we are psychologically damaged animals and that's ALL we will ever amount to.
There is nothing sacred about a medically demented dog that bites everything around it. No matter how hard it craves being a special snowflake dog.
kek'd
People don't read anymore dude, let them have their misinformed circlejerk
dude.....chil
>blaming God for being just
Name 1 thing he did without it being a punishment
>There is no "wrong thing" or "right thing"
>there is only survival as a biological organism translated into social means
That sounds like a code.
But there is something unique about a medically demented dog that bites everything around it. It's not like the other, regular dogs that only do dog things. It is literally unique, if not special. It's not great, but it is different in so far as it is being described as a mentally demented dog that bites everything around it, and not just
>dog
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Why have all the officially athiest countries sucked? Not secular, but state sponsored athiesm.
That's mainly because it's not solely a suppression of faith but a suppression of knowledge on common folk.
A code we try ever so hard to deny.
>unique rabbid puppy
No, that only makes the dog afflicted and marked by biological balance for extinction. This snowflake uniqueness you cling too so hard is why species get extinct. Deviation is not a survival tactict, it's no different than being sick and dying.
Everybody just chill the fuck up already
So the dog is afflicted and separate from the dogs that are not afflicted, marking it with something that natural selection may select for. user, you're making the dog special by insisting that it has qualities beyond that of any other dog.
>This snowflake uniqueness
The West African Black Rhinocero didn't cling to snowflake uniqueness, I don't think. Nor the Pyrenean Ibex, the Dire wolf, the Mammoth...
I don't even really think I'm clinging to any snowflake uniqueness in the fashion you might want to believe. I may not even believe in that myself. I'm just trying to get you to see what kind of doublespeak you might be employing here when you insist that there's something to refer to, a kind of model archetype of "thing" besides the
>afflicted
or otherwise
>unique
entity. You've put it in its own box. Now it's special, objectively. It quite literally does not belong with the others, it has something the others do not. It may not eve be a good thing.
>Deviation
>not a survival tactic
But it is a survival mechanism. Evolution, mutations, those kinds of things.
>its no different than being sick and dying
For the sick and dying, yes.
*claps and tips fedora* Well said friend! Have some reddit gold.
Do you honestly, fully, believe we are special as beings?
And if so, do you think we have any purpose other than survival breeding?
samefagging is so 2010
>Do you honestly
Well, we're not bacteria in entirety. We walk on two legs, we play chess, we write, we stab one another, and we sometimes deliberately set ourselves on fire. That's as much as I can say about us. Are we divine? I don't believe that's what I believe. But as long as you're comparing me to a distinct entity or object that is exactly not me, I'm something distinct from that entity or object, and thus, I become "special" or "unique". Rocks don't typically have legs, at least not any of the rocks we have ever observed or predicted.
>do you think we have any purpose other than survival breeding
I can imagine that we can invent a purpose for our own indulgence. Regarding an actual, objective purpose/s to our being besides
>exist
>propagate
>consume
>terminate
I don't know. I can't say I know. All I can say is that I could invent one and toil away until I die.
I am not separating the dogs at all, I am saying afflictions caused by phenotypes deviate certain dogs away from the ONLY PURPOSE they had, and that these dogs eventually die out. In our case the whole species has deviated. You just don't see it yet.
I am not employing any double speak as there actually IS an archetypal DNA "model" as you call it and that cancerous mutations occur within it, not separate of it. And that this is what you misunderstand as "evolution". It is infact the elimination of "afflicted" species.
And again, in our case the whole human race.
you're clearly a teen or inbred neckbeard
pls ban MODS
Toil away all you want, the truth I am discussing with you is that your ONLY purpose in terms of nature is to breed and survive. Everything else is a construct of human psyche, like op's god and your chess games.
The truth is, we are creatures that do not want to cope with the fact that we are creatures limited by our nature.
Going to the moon doesn't make us any more special than a cat taking a shit in the woods.
We have a term for that kiddo its called spirtuality.
Shut up, Atheist. Stop projecting your agenda on me. Go be Godless somewhere else.
>I am not separating the dogs at all
>afflictions caused by phenotypes deviate certain dogs away
>deviate certain dogs away
>from the ONLY PURPOSE they had
>In our case the whole species has deviated
I still have to say that it sounds like you're separating the dogs into dogs that deviated due to their phenotype and die out, and dogs that didn't deviate from their phenotype and did not die out. Then, also, people. As if to say that there were once members of our species who did not deviate until this great deviation.
Evolution?
>I am not employing any double speak
But it is exactly that you are saying that there is an archetypal DNA "model" and that dogs are deviating that you are engaging in doublespeak. If we go back, you mentioned that nature was cultures devouring cultures. Bacteria feasting on other organisms, something about the human importance being false. That we are not important, or divine or sacred. Then, right there, did you mention that we are animals that think they are not animals. Animals, that do not think they are animals. Broken animals. Broken animals, and yet the concept of nature is something that does not include this quality of distinctness or special snowflake-ness.
Our DNA is that complex and detailed, because all DNA that wasn't went extinct. You need to read up on how evolution works.
Well, then I will breed and survive, or survive and not breed, or breed and die. Fully acknowledging the constructs of the human psyche, I toil away. Because I am cognizant of the fact that I am a creature limited by my nature. I toil and die, remember?
But, in so far as we are considering walking on the moon, I have never seen a seagull walk on the moon. I have never seen a creature manage to make it beyond the atmosphere of Earth and come back again. There's something to be said about that physical occurrence of bodies of a species moving up and away from the planet, onto a smaller body in space, and then deliberately, by behavior or choice, making their way back. Perhaps it isn't even novel or special or profound or telling of anything of note. But cat feces does not rocket into orbit.
I would at least consider going to the moon to be mildly interesting, just as bacteria colonizes a piece of bread after brief contact.
We are talking about god, not dogs
I keep my God on a leash.
Society will never become perfect. While I don't believe in god myself, I don't think that you should care if other people do.
As you grow older I'm sure you'll realize that we as humans have feelings not just logic, and that our brains aren't made to understand the universe.
Maybe it's best that we live in madness as long as we're happy or until AI takes over
Because they were pretty much all communist/socialist. Communism/socialism is what made them bad, not atheism.
>educate yourself about the world around you and will find the truth.
Pic related
Truth is still unknown
>I understand that in the past people NEEDED god to explain unknown phenomena, as well as to have someone, who can always listen to their problems and give consolation.
They still do and it's necessary for society to exist and the benefits of cooperation to outweigh distrust, research social equity.
>Now we have knowledge, but people still are too lazy to try and understand how everything works.
No one will ever understand how everything works, even if we possessed full knowledge, which we don't, it would be too much for the human mind to fully understand, at least without seriously expanding human capabilities.
>God is an easier concept to comprehend for them - therefore, god is a modern sign of ignorance and stagnation.
And refusing to admit you can not comprehend the infinite complexities we are faced with is pure arrogance, even greater arrogance to believe you do understand. Arrogance will also lead to stagnation. It's as if you reached the top of a foothill and thought you reached the peak.
Religion gets credit for morals, which it should not.
I was once like you. Science fag, enjoying intellectual shit like literature and physics, which I still do. I'm the first to side with Rick and Morty over those chatholic fags.
But God is real. If it helps you, just call it "energy", or "the unifying force". It just as real as all the shit you experience all around you. Maybe even more real, because from your post I can tell you are kind of dull.
Institutionalized religion sucks ass like nothing else.
However, MARK MY WORDS you little blind and deaf little piece of faggotry: YOU WILL SEE. YOU WILL TURN MAD, AND THUS BECOME SANE. And suddenly, you will experience the world in a different way. You will see hints of ITs existence in music, arts, literature, movies, tv series... the way people communicate, and especially in nature. And there will be no one to tell you "told you so", once it happens. And you will not be like "damn I regret being so blind".
You will laugh like never before, you will cry in amazement. And everyone will be happy for you.
On that matter, in advance: TOLD YOU SO. Faggot.
>But God is real.
make your case for God or gods or whatever. Pray for something. See if it comes true.
I disagree. Athiesm makes the state a god, and it can commit all sorts of atrocities in the name of the greater good. Forced abortions in China is a good example.
that being said, ofc, once you go sploosh, you will see how pretty much every piece of religious text, may it be christian, hindu, you name it, points at the same higher truth. Which, unfortunately, CANNOT BE PUT INTO WORDS.
> JHWH
Why give a god a credit for making something with absolutely no explanation of how he made everything?
You're parroting someone else, and it's silly.
Ooh, what an edgy picture.
>implying anywhere in my post I did argue for a male white bearded granpa in the sky who fullfills your foolish random desires based on how much you conform to christian ideals
Yeah, you too are blind. And you too will see.
Love,
>cherry-picking this badly
>Atheism makes the state a god
That's wrong. To be an atheist says almost nothing about a person.
What kind of name do you label a non-tennis player, or someone who doesn't believe in leprechauns, or Apollo?
I'm curious about this.
"Atheist" is almost pejorative.
>And you too will see.
We call this "pretending to know things you don't know"
It's another word for "faith"