Why does it?

Why does it?

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South Park stopped being funny over ten years ago.

by stretching what would be funny for one episode into an entire season

Considering how cheaply it's made, (aside from Trey and Matt's cut), I wonder how low the viewership has to reach before people stop watching.

*before people stop watching.
Meant to say before the network stops ordering episodes.

Because it's in its 20th fucking season.

fuck all of you. im still laughing at this shit.

the story ideas just aren't as strong this season as they've been in others. I mean it was obvious that they were going to do something about internet culture and the election, but the execution has just felt lazy. The whole Denmark thing is pretty lame with the exception of how funny matt and trey can make the accents, Garrison in the American election is a storyline that is just going through the motions without doing anything actually interesting, Gerald is an uninteresting character to base an entire storyline around, Cartman and Randy (the two best characters) are basically sidelined this season, etc. etc.

Stop the fucking season arc story lines and it'll get better.

I still like it OP. Not as good as seasons 7-13 but still funnier than every other running series

I'm trying to figure out their beef with TFA.

It went from throwing jabs at the politically correct to basing their entire season on it with some godawful story arc.

The season-long story hurt it. They keep focusing on the same joke over and over every episode since only 3 things (Trump, nostalgia, internet privacy) are on the menu

They need to go back to single episode structures, and go back to purely apolitical/non-topical episodes. The last mainly non-topical episode was Grounded Vindaloop. The last purely non-topical episode was Going Native.

>i only like satire when it pokes fun at the other side

the unofficial finale was the episode when the protagonists see everything as literal shit.

Because the new format of planning a season long plot combined with them trying to make the comedy hyper relevant to what's happening that week creates a huge discord within the show. The jokes don't line up with the plot and it just gets tiresome.

You are looking at the last season actually, the viewing numbers are down big time, there is nothing but complaints and even worse. Matt and Tray keep skipping weeks "Like this week" to fuck around.
Ontop of that the network has been really pissed at their work schedule since they only create a few days before air time and normally they churn out shit.

South Park will get pulled and Matt and Tray will just say fuck it and do web episodes instead, Comedy Central is flopping anyway. They are canceling a lot of their shows and only showing back to back reruns of old shows because they have nothing new.
Its a networks death throws.

It's pretty obvious. That movie (and the entirety of JJ Abrams creative output) is based on gathering up collective pockets of nostalgia and remarketing it to modern sensibilities that long for a time when there were genuine sparks of authenticity in art and entertainment. A lot of this desire for comfort is brought on by a large-scale disillusionment when it comes to the prospect of social change and harmony in the aftermath of a stagnant 8-year obama administration that promised upheaval in the status quo but ultimately did not deliver whatsoever. So everybody now wants to 'member the good times, like in the 80's when there were exciting developments in popular culture and technology, before the internet when people still trusted government

>the viewing numbers are down big time
Well, that's what I thought, but I wanted to know how low they could get that, in spite of how cheap it is make, they just stop ordering episodes.

> they only create a few days before air time and normally they churn out shit.
This has usually worked rather well for them in the past, (even though they said their schedule for making these has gotten progressively shorter and shorter), and I'm sure the network wouldn't mind if the episodes were better, or, more importantly, more people watched it.

> do web episodes instead,
Maybe, and that would be a testament to how cheaply they can make these shows that that's even a possibility. Certainly, Futurama and the Simpsons couldn't do it.

Because they're trying to make a storyline out of four things, Trump, trolling, gender wars, and nostalgia/movie reboots and can't tie it together in a satisfying way. Their Trump/Garrison storyline seems to be more them ranting about how awful Trump is instead of actually funny moments. The trolling storyline is pretty good but thats coming from a guy who posts here. The gender wars storyline is alright but is unfocused and depriving us of Cartman being an asshole. The nostalgia storyline seems to be their endgame but its not really developed and a bit too hamfisted

By having the season be one long thing...
I wish they would have an actual Trump episode.
The Obama/McCaine episode was fucking fantastic, sucks we won't have anything like that since Trump doesn't exist in SP universe I guess.

They took one episode and stretched it into an entire season that will age terribly

i think since they started working on the south park games they just have problems with writing hours of materials for the game + the new season so they are trying to do this one story arc and see how it works for the series. I still laugh at out loud at the new season but yea i would like it more if they make more original and random stories

Basically this. If you look at the best episodes of South Park they are all non-topical. Asspen, The Losing Edge, Scott Tenerman Must Die.

member the '80's?

Because everything that attacks Trump dies.

South Park has sucked ever since it became "Trey Parker tells you his personal thoughts and political beliefs through cartoon characters". The show used to have a genuine edge and wit in the old seasons, and the characters were just like regular kids.. now every character is literally just Trey Parker saying things like "I thought this movie sucked" or "Vote for Hillary Clinton"

It doesn't. It's not as good as last season but still head and shoulders above the 7-8 years before it. Matt and Trey should stick with the season-long storylines, if for no other reason that they've already wrung the traditional episodic format dry. South Park is never going to be as good again as seasons 5-10 but they might as well try new things.

I mean realistically though, Sup Forums probably just wants to suddenly pretend it's shit because it started openly bashing their precious alt-right mancrush Trump.

It's not this season. It's been this way for the past few seasons.

Watching this show has become a chore. It's unbearable. I can't stand it any more.

Matt and Trey need to let it go before it becomes a total travesty like The Simpsons.

>A season about why everything sucks
>It sucks
It's like pottery

>If you look at the best episodes of South Park they are all non-topical. Asspen, The Losing Edge, Scott Tenerman Must Die
This has been true since forever, Matt and Trey even acknowledge it. But by that token the show didn't just start sucking this year, it's been past its prime for nearly a decade and if anything the last two seasons have been welcome changes of pace.

South park stopped being funny after season 10. The later started going down with a few good ones here or there. I've only seen one episode this season and I am really considering whether or not I should bother to watch the rest. These assholes are late to the party

The show has been past it's prime for roughly a decade. And while the last few seasons are a change of pace for sure I wouldn't call them welcome.

There is nothing funny about shilling for the establishment.
I don't understand why so many comedians do it.

Because it's nothing but topical references that will be incredibly outdated in less than a year.

it's even worse than that. every episode became a formulaic piece of shit where cartman represents the 'bad' or opposing viewpoint, Kyle is the 'good' viewpoint (aka Trey's viewpoint), and Stan is a voice of reason. None of them did any kid shit at all anymore, and every character just became a representation of a certain group that relates to the hot-button topic of the week.

Just disappointing.

give me some proof that this show sucks

>give me some proof that this show sucks
>wah wah wah give me proof of your opinions!

Typical Sup Forumstard cunt.

Because "comedians" who do nothing but political humor were never in it for the comedic value. That's what people don't get. It was always about sending a message, people like Jon Leibowitz just dressed it up in a pretty package of "humor". They just had it easy during 8 years of Bush and have been coasting on the afterglow since.

Because it has a soap opera formula of dicing and cutting up stories into little segments. Then cutting those segments up and scattering them across a 25 minute episode. They have some good jokes in there but the trudge through the boring shit to get to them really isn't worth it.

Are you retarded? In what world did people ask for the Original Trilogy to be rebooted? Certainly not here on planet Earth.

I legitimately only remember Isis Ninjas from last season because it was the kids just dicking around.

I've been loyal since I started watching and now it's just so fucking meh, I'm kinda glad there wasn't an episode tonight.

>tfw you realize it really has been a decade
Man, that just goes to show you how fucking good the early stuff was. It was so good that it makes up for the subpar, forgettable stuff they've been putting out the last 10 years

amen brother

People still watch south park?

I pray for fucking one-offs these days. The continuity is killing this show.

Was there no episode tonight?

>i only watch things that pander to my delusions.

Garrison was mildly humorous a few episodes ago when he had the realization that he's a fucking idiot and will be running the country soon and then intentionally starts trying to tank his campaign.

Portraying his speech as standup was a little funny too. There was a glimmer of social commentary there that was solid.

It's got good visuals but the plot is lackluster as fuck
Blame everyone who shat on the prequels, including Clone Wars the prequels told their own story and had a good over arching plot.

Some things were bad but that happens when it takes that long to write a story that fits cohesively. If the prequels came out first it'd probably be a different story but who knows?

Its trying to connect with the video game. They stated awhile back that this season will connect with the fractured but whole in a way it would make sense

Ironic, when the entirety of this season has been capitalizing on making fun of pop-culture things a majority of people will remember instead of creating original plots.

dude, quit trying to whitewash it, the prequels were terrible.

Three episodes did it better than a whole season so that's not it.

I personally think politics should stay out of entertainment in any way shape or form. The season is just boring as fuck overall and won't be membered at all.

They went from being cleverly satirical to beating you over the head with the exact same joke over and over.

nah, this is the second dark week of 3 this season

>le talking shit may may so funny!

That's your opinion and I like them I won't argue they're amazing or bash you for it but I have a soft spot for RoTS because I watched it on dvd and it had the Battlefront 2 demo.

>It's been said that the 501st got the best of the war. We also got the worst. On Felucia, the Seps dug their metal heels into the muck of that alien hellhole and dared the Republic to come in after them. So we did, only to be met with the month after month of flesh-eating diseases, shrieking nocturnal predators, and other sights that haunt me to this day. Cut off and for all we knew abandoned by our superiors, our only hope was Aayla Secura, our Jedi commander. Without her iron will, none of us would have come out of that mess with our sanity, or our lives. When her death came, I hope it was quick. She earned that much.

>When the 501st was finally rotated out of Felucia, Aayla Secura made a point of seeing us off personally, calling us the bravest soldiers she had ever seen. It's a good thing we were wearing helmets, because none of us could bear to look her in the eye.

>literally an episode when Stan sees everything as shit and spews shit when they talk

That was better than interjecting their personal politics and PC Principal for a whole season then it turns into a retarded season about advertising.

haven't played any recent ones but the old star wars FPS games were amazing. I remember my dad setting them up for me as a kid, that Dark Forces game was hueg

>South Park makes fun of SJWs
>BASED SOUTH PARK IS FUNNY AGAIN
>South Park makes fun of Trump
>SOUTH PARK ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE

South Park hasn't been funny for years

were they really depressed when they made those two assburgers episodes? I never understood the aspie connection they tried to make, when it seemed like Stan was just becoming jaded and depressed (which I was assuming trey and matt were at the time)

It honestly hasn't been good since s10 or 11.

If you look before season 12, almost every episode has several laughs.
It was social and political a lot, but not so much that each episode couldn't stand on it's own without it.

Each episode now is just a gimmick, and never about the actual kids.

I've watched South Park for 18 years, it couldn't have stayed great, but I kinda wish they threw in the towel a while back.

Book of Mormon proves that Matt & Trey are still funny, I just think South Park isn't something they even try for anymore.

SJWS wasn't funny either because it became a running joke that overstayed it's welcome.

I want Victoria back because of how boring he is. I can't believe they even used Officer Buttbaby for a plot again since the reading episode.

I hope PC Principal isn't in Fractured.

>I hope PC Principal isn't in Fractured.
I got some bad news for you.

I was actually depressed during those episodes so it captured the feeling correctly imo but when looking back on it that episode wasn't funny at all other than showing Stan became jaded and couldn't find enjoyment in the small things.

Is he going to be a major plot point is what I should have meant. I literally couldn't give two shots if he died.

Literally the british kid I can't remember that ran for a whole season and stopped being funny after hammering you over the head with his shtick every time he was on screen.

>talking shit, doo doo, fart joke, gore so funny!

They tried something new and different and failed, and your endless bitching about them is what got us JJ Wars and Star Wars: The Hunger Games. So thanks for that I guess.

I don't know, but considering that you "kill" Al Gore in the first game, PC Principal might die.

Battlefront 1&2 are 11&12 years old and better than what EA shat out. Give it a play if you like Star Wars because it them and Republic Commando were the last games worth a damn from Star Wars imo.

This season is worth it solely for Cartman becoming a fanatical overcompensating privilege-checker the moment he sees a vagina for the first time. Perfectly on the nose.

>endless bitching
I'm not even that much of a star wars fan dude, I thought the prequels sucked dick and I left it at that. Hollywood would have realized that sequels and remakes are the big money makers with or without the prequels being universally hated.

wait how fucking long has the show had story arcs? i literally haven't watched in well over 10 years.

started with the 2-parters, then eventually they grew into trilogies and now for the past 2 seasons we have arcs that span the whole fucking thing

it's some fucking bullshit desu

This and last season.

They brought in a character and removed a character that was a mainstay since the start just for a season long storyline that literally makes no fucking sense if you look at it from a writing standpoint.

>LESLIE LESLIE SHUT UP
>Little girl is a living ad

If they hate ads so much why didn't they stop that shit after Black Friday episodes that honestly were an ad for a completely different show?

This. I understand why TFA was a bad movie, don't get me wrong. I just don't understand why it's the backbone of their entire season.

>Nothing happens.
>Same jokes every episode.
>How could it suck?

>member when South Park was funny?

Last season was one of, if not the, best seasons they've had. The continuous plot was a real winner. This season is a bit of a let down, it's not terrible but it's dragging on and not living up to last season.

At this point they could just go fully online, so even if they get low enough ratings to get bumped from late-night cable the show can go on

>They don't remember the Kenny Dies Saga
Give the show a rewatch, got some cool stuff way back

The Force Awakens is the end-all be-all of rebooting a franchise with little original ideas and a heavy-reliance on the nostalgia of the audience.

The Kenny cult explanation or Kenny has cancer then Cartman drinks him episodes?

>Last season was one of, if not the, best seasons they've had

South Park peaked around the time of the movie in 1999. You're kidding yourself if you think Season 19 stacks up to 2-6.

Better than the last two seasons to be quite honest

> le anything that's not sucking off The Donald is shilling for Hillary
They literally say she's an awful candidate who only looks good next to a freak like Trump, but naturally you alt-right ethics warriors can't distinguish between one position and another if neither is exactly the same as your own.

zomg south park has been awful for like 10 years except for occasional accidents

I love how butthurt people get when a show stops being just random lulzy and actually starts critiquing shit. This season hasn't been as good as last season but its still good and still better than the majority of shit on tv.

Yeah, those.
It includes stuff like Ladder to Heaven, them going to Scottland to get Kenny exorcized from Cartman (only for him to then possess Rob Schneider, etc).

Hell, Butters replaces Kenny for most of the season because of this, and there are constant reminders that Kenny is dead.

Granted, not as serialized as the last two seasons, but it was still a very long plotline.

They had a great premise for the last season, and now this season is just a continuation of the last one but way less interesting.

A little before those episodes were made there were tons of rumors coming about of them getting burned out on the show and quitting for good.

Too much emphasis on continuity. Just go back to the episodes where it takes 24 minutes to go from normal, to the kids running the town and doing human sacrifices, back to normal. Or fucking tolerance camp.

If there must be a multi-episode story arc, do it sparingly and certainly not for a whole season.

reminder that matt and trey wanted to end south park back in 2011

> A few hours after this story was initially posted, Matt and Trey went on The Daily Show to promote their Broadway show, The Book of Mormon. Asked about South Park, Parker said, "We love South Park. That's still our thing," but said that when it came to "You're Getting Old," "Obviously it had a lot of themes and things we were feeling in it." They noted that they'd been asked since, "Are you okay? Is the show coming back?" They reiterated that the show is indeed returning this fall, with Parker stating, "We don't know what's going to happen, but we'll figure it out in August." You can watch that interview below.

This was when their contract was going to expire but then they just said fuck it and took the money

retards, it was game 7 of the World Series with two historic teams playing. With viewership on SP already down there would be no reason to air a new episode tonight.

It doesn't. The same people saying it sucks this season were the loudest supporters last season cause they were making fun of sjws. Now that it's their turn they can't handle it and are whining about how it's shilling and sucks now.

But the writing isn't tight. It's pointless and meandering each and every episode. The context doesn't matter, it's the content.

>people don't like South Park because it's just too smart for them
i would literally bet my entire material wealth that you're underage, enjoy eminem, follow several youtube personalities, and say internet memes to your friends in real life. nobody else could have an opinion this retarded

I remember them doing that because it was done well and wasn't complete shit.

Kenny wasn't even in my favorite episode the LoTR/Backdoor Sluts 9 .

Pointless how? There's a clear story being carried out

I might be remembering wrong, but I think he was "kind of" in it. As in, I think Cartman already drank him and started manifesting him by that point, though I could remember wrong.

But yeah, that was pretty sweet.