It didn't beat Avatar

>it didn't beat Avatar
>it didn't even beat Titanic

So what was the point of this move again?

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To trigger you. Looks like it worked.

To """"""""""redeem"""""''""" star wars and bankrupt every toy company not partnered with Disney

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To remind people of how shit the story of ANH is

Objectively the best Star Wars movie ever made.

It did beat Titanic though.

Titanic made $1.8 billion in its theatrical run (and another $300 million with its 2012 3D re-release).

Fun.

You bitter queen.

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>he has to compare TFA's 2015 3D-inflated, ticket-price-inflated, IMAX-inflated gross against Titanic's 1998 gross when tickets were half the price to make it seem like it won something

>he completely ignores internet-piracy which didn't exist yet in 1997 and took a huge dump on movie ticket sales

>he doesn't realize that ticket sales have been pretty much constant year-on-year for the past 2 decades

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>1997 tickets sold:1,385,207,880
>2015 tickets sold: 1,340,686,746

>average ticket price in 1997: $4.59
>average ticket price in 2015: $8.43
>STILL couldn't beat Titanic

Not only have ticket sales in the US remained constant, but the box office markets of other countries like Russia and China have exploded since Titanic was released. So not only did Titanic gross more with tickets that were half the price, it did so without the help of what are now huge box office markets that TFA could take full advantage of.

To literally be the worst Star Wars movie ever made, even Phantom Menace was better and that says something.

>Objectively the best Star Wars movie ever made.
Kill yourself if you honestly un-ironically believe this

>hehe the movie is only the third highest grossing film ever!!
not sure if stupid or just bad bait

Reminder that 72% of Avatar's box office gross and 69% of Titanic's were foreign.

Star Wars was 54% with hardly any China market.

>create a corporate product deliberately designed and engineered to be as inoffensive and blandly entertaining as possible while appealing to the widest audience possible
>put behind it one of the most successful movie franchises ever and the biggest marketing campaign of all time
>the biggest overseas release of all time
>the biggest IMAX rollout of all time
>hugely-inflated ticket prices from marathon sales
>it doesn't beat a 2-decade old movie about a boat made by a formerly homeless former truck driver

>two decades old
>relevant
Heh! Titanic couldn't even beat Gone With The Wind, a six decade old movie! :^)

Who cares what subhuman chinks like

Exactly my point.

TFA is the highest grossing domestic film of all time. Avatar only did so well because of chinks. And Titanic was pretty much a mandatory movie for any couple.

>Avatar made $204m in China
>TFA made $124m
>$80m difference
>Avatar made $2.8b
>TFA didn't even make $2.1b
>$700m difference

All chinks.

The difference being that Gone with the Wind was released in a box office period that differed immensely from 1997, and then was rereleased 6+ times over the span of 5 or 6 decades. The two aren't even comparable, nor is Gone with the Wind comparable with any other film released in the past 4 decades.

TFA, on the other hand, was released in a year where the US box office admissions were the same as in 1997, and had a huge boost from box office markets that had developed in the intervening years like Brazil, China and Russia (all hugely relevant markets nowadays that we're basically non-existent when Titanic was released).

>china is the only asian country
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2015 Star Wars Ep. VII: The Force Awakens $936,662,225 $1,122,000,000

Avatar $760,507,625 $2,023,411,357

Do you see that? Avatar made over double its domestic overseas.

Titanic did better in China than TFA did. China doesn't know shit about Star Wars. Google it. The original was released when it was under censorship from Mao. TFA did poor in Brazil and Russia. Star Wars movies in general do poor in foreign markets.

Titanic's box office did better in Brazil than TFA did.

There are a lot of factors you need to consider. Don't just consider some.

TFA has the highest US box office. Accounting for inflation it still beats Avatar (which inflated ticket prices as well). Avatar was a terrible movie.

Comparing the movie to Titanic is a bad move, Titanic is one of the most iconic films of all time.

>Titanic did better in China than TFA did.
Disregard that.

>rounds down for TFA
>rounds up for Avatar
Good to know you're not bias.

>TFA did poor in Brazil and Russia
>Titanic's box office did better in Brazil than TFA did

Which is a testament to how much more successful Titanic was than TFA in reality. Even with the tiny, developing Brazil box office market, Titanic STILL managed to outdo TFA's performance in the fully-developed Brazil.

Not to mention the fact that even in TFA's strongest market by far (domestic), Titanic still sold vastly more tickets (~30% more) than TFA.

Not to mention the fact that Titanic literally sold well over double (nearly 2.5x) the number of tickets that TFA sold in Europe: 111m vs. 46m
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Not to mention it was even more of a huge blowout in non-western countries.

Titanic doing better than TFA in what were developing markets when it was released doesn't make the fact that they were developing any less relevant. It only serves to highlight how poorly TFA did in those markets (and how well Titanic did), when it couldn't even beat Titanic's unadjusted gross in markets that have literally quadrupled or more in size.

Now let's compare Avatar to TFA in non-Asian countries:
Australia: $106m (Avatar) vs. $67m (TFA)
France: $176m vs. $89m
Germany: $162m vs. $111m
Russia: $117m vs. $26m
Brazil: $58m vs. $28m

In fact, if we look at Europe admissions for Avatar vs. TFA, it's 90m for Avatar vs. 46m for TFA. Pretty much double, like Titanic.
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All I hear is more crying that TFA is somehow a bad movie because it didn't beat the two highest grossing films of all time.

Titanic was destined to perform well. It was a good movie with great acting that made every woman melt. Comparing that to a movie where the audience is mostly adult men is childish.

>repeating not to mention over and over
Are you autistic? That defeats the purpose of the phrase.

Why don't you compare Avatar to Titanic as well?

I really don't see your point here. Are you implying box office = movie quality except when domestic box office of TFA > domestic box office of Avatar and Titanic?

Post all the links you want, but TFA has more domestic gross than both Avatar and Titanic. Avatar did terrible in the US, and only did well in foreign markets because it advertised itself as some sort new age cinematic experience of the future. A fraudulent promo hardly is something to brag about.

>TFA has more domestic gross than both Avatar and Titanic.

Only unadjusted gross. Titanic sold far more tickets domestically, as I mentioned.

REY YAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSS

to sell merchandise for (((Disney)))

>So what was the point of this move again?

making money.

What's your point? Titanic is a better movie than Star Wars TFA?

You keep mentioning all these mitigating factors for TFA while ignoring a big hurdle it has.

EVERY Star Wars movie has done poorly in foreign box office. Much of the developing countries you like to talk about saw the prequels first. Not a single Star Wars movie, 1-7, has surpassed 60% foreign box office. Whereas, Avatar has nearly 75% foreign box office. It wasn't for foreign box office, Avatar would have failed. Star Wars performed well despite that, generating 100 million (adjusted) more than Avatar domestic.

And if we start bringing up movies like Titanic, then where do we stop? What about ET? Jaws? The Sound of Music?

>formerly homeless former truck driver
kek

Honestly how did Cameron do what he did?

>It wasn't for foreign box office, Avatar would have failed.

>the highest-grossing unadjusted domestic movie of all time, and the biggest domestic ticket-seller for over a decade (since TPM and Titanic), would have failed if it wasn't for foreign box office

>China doesn't know shit about Star Wars

And they knew about Avatar and the Titanic?

It would have. 75% of its market was foreign.

>the highest-grossing unadjusted domestic movie of all time
It isn't. TFA is.

Avatar did 760 domestic. Take into account that half of that goes to the theaters and the massive budget it had. ~380m - ~250m.

>Avatar
Yes.

>Titanic
No. Western countries mostly earned the money.

Objectively the post that defined a generation of mouth-breathers.

At the time obviously, you dumb cunt.

Why is this a valid line of comparison?

>if Avatar had inexplicably only ever been released in the US, it would have made less money

No shit you fucking idiot. Why do you think ignoring literally the entire world except the US is a good idea?

>missing the point

You say Star Wars did bad in China because the Chinese don't know the Star Wars brand. There was no Avatar brand.

Because America is the best, obviously. What are you, some kind of shitskin?

>what is advertising

Titanic was HUGE in Japan and China. Titanic's success in Japan is so insane that even now, unadjusted, it's the 2nd biggest movie of all time behind only Spirited Away. In China, the fucking rerelease of Titanic in 3D is the 28th highest-grossing film of all time, and the film as a whole is the 9th biggest ticket seller of all time, despite the huge expansion of China's box office since it was released.

I'm talking about 1997. It made 43 mil in China. That's not a lot.

It did very well in Japan, but, as I said, the majority came from Western countries.

1997 was still a very oppressed time in China, that's why it did badly.

they're still on level ground then you dumb fuck

>In particular, the film True Lies, which opened in April 1995, grossed 102 million yuan RMB (U.S$12.3 million) nationwide, setting a box office record in China that would be surpassed only by Titanic (James Cameron, 1997) in 1998.

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It was the highest-grossing film of all time in China at the time of its release. not only that, it made nearly 4x its nearest competitor.

You seem to vastly underestimate how much China's box office has grown in 2 decades.

He's right. Stay mad Lucasbaby.

alahu.....?

I specifically said China was very oppressed. All I said was Titanic made most of its money in Western countries. I don't know why you are trying to disagree with this. It is a fact.

The source goes on:

>On the other hand, the total box office receipts for Hollywood revenue-sharing films were almost 600 million yuan RMB (US$72.46 million) in 1998, which was nearly twice the level of 1995 and 1997 and more than 45% higher than in 1996, with Titanic alone taking over half of that year’s total receipts from imports (Mao, Qiang 1999, 6).

Just because it didn't make a lot in objective gross (due to low ticket prices in China and the small box office market), doesn't make it not a huge success there. The fact that Titanic took over half the entire box office gross for the year for import films should tell you enough about how successful it was. Its success in China matches its success elsewhere.

I never said it wasn't a huge success in China. I said it made most of it's money in Western countries. These are two completely different things and I'd wish you'd understand this.

Sites like boxofficemojo were a mistake. Every retard on the internet now thinks they know everything about how the film industry works.

Could you explain, in your opinion, how The Force Awaken is the worst Star Wars movie ever made, and worse than movies like Revenge of the Sith, and Attack of the Clones?

The fact that it made most of its money in western countries is a completely irrelevant and misleading fact. EVERY film made most of its money in western countries because western countries as a whole had the highest ticket prices and the overall lion's share of the global box office market. The fact means nothing.

Titanic is the only film released in that period whose immense success in western countries was matched by its success in asian markets.

You sound like the DCucks who try to defend Suicide Squad flopping with "b-but it didn't even release in China!"

you included

The post I initially replied to implied that China contributed highly to the Titanic's foreign gross. You are reading into something I never implied. I am talking purely grosses, not overall. There are a lot of factors that go into overall and the people I were replying to were only focusing on gross.

Beat those movies only in their homeland.

Just like Harry Potter in UK or anime movies in Japan.