How the fuck does one learn to orchestrate? I get that the instruments are tied to the genre, style, period, form and such and that I should study it from books and by studying and analyzing the works of great composers but how does one even start to do it? Am I completely fucked if I don't play in an actual orchestra and how can I start distinguish the amount of instruments that are used to have a certain effect and result? Should I just start to notate things by ear and gain the knowlege that way? Are there also any good books on orchestration or on practical music analyzing that I should be aware of?
Charles Stewart
Top teir meme's :))
Ryder Thomas
This but unironically.
Jaxon Brooks
enroll at the royal college of music and take composition
Jacob Kelly
i think you need hands-on experience of working with an orchestra, really. pure speculation, but i think that even if you read every book on orchestration and arrangement that exists but still didn't work with musicians you would never get the 'feel' for writing orchestral music
Nolan Ortiz
Bach, Mozart and Beethoven were all men with Sub-Saharan melanoid skin colour of African descent. Why do white people always steal the music of black people?
Ethan Cook
So regular live orchestra listening isn't enough then I guess... I do play the piano that doesn't help when it comes to playing in an orchestra at all. How should I go on about this? I can't also just enroll in a school and start studying conducting any time soon so I guess I'm completely fucked right?
Lucas Lopez
How does one get into Palestrina? I've listened to Josquin and Tallis and I've liked them moderately but I just can't get into Palestrina at all. What are his career's highligts and who else shoud I possibly listen to get into renaissance polyphony/church music/(just) music?
Choose 5 of your favourite compositions and put them into best to worst ranking and others judge and recommend
I'll start: >best: Mozart - piano concerto no. 20 in D minor >Tchaikovsky - piano concerto no. 1in B flat minor >Rachmaninoff - piano concerto no. 2 in C minor >Mozart - sonata in D major for two pianos >worst: Chopin - Ballade no. 4 in F minor
his taste in conductors/performers is so all over the place that i wonder if he's actually listened to the recordings by them
Bentley Wilson
Post recordings of spooky skeletons.
Chase Rivera
Why does every good post-Wagner musician think his music is bad?
Angel Hall
They don't, they were trying to escape the influence of him, but since Music historians are jews they turned it into hate. Everyone worth giving a damn about loved his music from Chabrier, Faure, Grieg, Bartok, to Debussy
Jose Morris
Karajan.
Samuel James
Music for this feel?
Samuel Perez
uh yeah you're pretty fucked i would say mate unless you can literally get an orchestra to play your music, something which often isn't immediately possible, there's little way of knowing that the music your writing/orchestrating is of any actual value. i would try reaching out to local orchestras/classical music ensembles and establishing some sort of working relationship so that the opportunity of your music being performed becomes an actuality
>tfw getting Art of Fugue on Organ because Bach's music sounds like shit on Piano
Come at me Bach fags
Carter Collins
You just KNOW
Wyatt Reed
von Bingen
William Brown
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Cooper Nelson
Skip Palestrina, you're better of with de Rore, Gesualdo, Lassus, and Mouton
James Fisher
do you want a duel to sword?
Ryder Baker
>Everyone worth giving a damn about loved his music >proceeds to post meme garbage
Gavin Perry
>replies with a shitpost >attempt is terrible
Sad really, user you're a mess. No one wants to listen to your autistic second rate baroque garbage
Jose Adams
youtu.be/L__jruvYuCg Can somone explain the appeal of shostakovich to me please; I don't get how he is so popular
Cameron Ortiz
>implying I'm a baroque fag You just forgot to mention the actual post-Wagner composers who are worth giving a damn about that's all. Don't take it so personally user, I won't insult you even though you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
Anthony King
Also go back to since it amost sounds like you're unironically a brainlet who thinks that anti-Wagnerism is a thing not because of his use of chromaticism and because people that Wagner "ruined" tonality by removing the central importance of the cadence as a structural element, but that it's just a jew scheme to despise a bad antisemtic vey.
Ayden Powell
People think that*
Alexander Ross
>forgot to mention the actual post-Wagner composers who
Aiden Barnes
>worth giving a damn about that's all
And those might be? Besides the SvS and Strauss. Mahler was shit btw and is irrelevant
This is sentence is incoherent
Exactly, I only posted people influenced by him or respected his music, not the ones who took on his discipleship
Asher Butler
>Mahler was shit btw and is irrelevant he was a Wagner fanboy anyway
Elijah Williams
I can't listen to Wagner.
Josiah James
same, it's blocked in israel
Jordan Campbell
I like wanger because it was the hitler's favourite?
got a problem with that?
Hunter Young
top kek
Anthony Long
>it's getting colder >first snowflakes are falling/ about to fall in the relevant countries >less and less sunshine everyday
So it's Winterreise time again
post >3 favourite songs from Winterreise
>Irrlicht >Gefrorne Tränen >Gute Nacht
Dylan Turner
Fuck that sounds Comfy, I'm gonna get some Bostridge Schubert and play them today after Gym and Mario Odyssey
Ethan Collins
>Das Wirtshaus >Im Dorfe >Täuschung
Dominic King
>Bostridge excellent choice
However, Hermann Prey still surpasses everyone else in singing Schubert. And for german natives accents really are annoying when listening to Lieder
Have any of y'all read Theodor Adorno's "Philosophy of New Music"? blogs.commons.georgetown.edu/engl-218-fall2010/files/Philosophy-of-New-Music0001.pdf
Justin Clark
Hello /classical/. Which pieces would you recommend that are similar to pic related?
Julian Howard
Read Samuel Adler's "The Study of Orchestration" and make sure you have the audio examples available to hear (this is vital to get the most out of the book)
Then Study the scores of the composers whose orchestration you really like. See how they create the sounds they do.
Then the next step is to write some music for orchestra and see how it sounds on a real orchestra. This step can be harder to attain, but try entering composition competitions or orchestral readings or workshops. There's bound to be something out there in your country.
Orchestration is something you don't magically learn in one go - you learn more about it throughout your life and get better and better at imagining what the score will sound like in a real orchestra or ensemble.
Bostridge always has a restrained quality to him which I like, I hate when sopranos like Otter belts out on Grieg lieder. For me the over emotionalism and yelling ruins the tranquility of the songs
>listening through Bach’s French Suites >hear the tetris C theme
huh, never knew they copied that
Carter Wood
Memes aside, now that the dust is settled, let's get to the bottom of this: can we all unironically agree that Haydn > Mozart > Beethoven?
Jordan Hill
>Mozart > Beethoven
Nope.
Ryder Hernandez
>listen to Telemann's oboe concerto >hear andante from Bach's violin concerto Huh, never knew Bach copied that.
Anthony Ramirez
>listen to Bach >hear Petzold >Huh, never knew Bach copied that.
Jack Myers
>Haydn > Mozart No.
Blake Ramirez
Post you top 3 most angry pieces of classical music okay i'll go first
>beethoven rage over a lost dollar >the c minor beethoven one that goes "da da da DAAAAA" >beethoven rage over a lost penny
Hudson Russell
to begin with, these > things are silly and pointless unless you compare professional composers with amateurs, even then everything's not so simple. All great composers were too different and too original to be compared in any meaningful way. Mozart was an eccentric composer, Haydn was a diligent composer, Beethoven was a dramatic composer.
Noah Diaz
>Ferneyhough - La Terre est Un Homme >Penderecki - Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima >George Crumb - Black Angels
Zachary Nguyen
Post dessert music. Hard mode: German.
Isaiah Gutierrez
Black Forest gateau and Beethoven's 11th piano sonata 'takes the cake " for me (in other words "Die Sonate hat sich gewaschen")
Joseph Hernandez
>Now that the dust is finally settled after 285 years can we unironically agree on this on Sup Forums No we can not
Mason Diaz
Fuckking kek'd
Brayden Hernandez
>To play a wrong note is insignificant; to play without passion is inexcusable!