Are Polish people Sarmatian or Slavic?
Are Polish people Sarmatian or Slavic?
Anthony Bailey
Carter Gutierrez
they speak a slavic language, thus they are slavs
Logan Davis
neither
Anthony Lopez
ugliest of slavs so they can pass as any other artifical group
Easton Butler
MY
Andrew Lopez
>ugliest
being this jelly
Mason Cook
...
Christian Barnes
literally bydlo tier
Carter Wright
...
Benjamin Martinez
It was nationalists rally so no wonder
Matthew Hall
Both.
Connor Harris
The bald guy with the flag has such girly shoulders, no wonder he's mad and needs to prove something.
Liam Edwards
I know that Sarmatism was mostly based on memes but it led to some really fucking cool clothing.
Owen Ward
post your shoulders now you faggot
Landon Rodriguez
Same shit, different day.
No, Poles have nothing to do with Sarmatians. Slavs are a linguistic group, so yes. Poles are Slavs.
>inb4 butthurt diaspora starts spamming pictures to convince me otherwise
Genetically there is no evidence for any Polish connection to Sarmatian steppe matriarchal weaklings. It was just Polish nobility larping to distance themselves from Ruthenian, German and Scandi ones. If you want to take archeological findings into consideration, you might as well claim Poles are Romans or even Eastern Germanic.
>inb4 2: le r1a haplogroup
Polish subclades have nothing to do with Sarmatian ones. Poles, Pakis and Indians don't share the same origin. And to claim otherwise, is just stupidity.
If you look into autosomals and admixture. Poles are much different than East and South Slavs, but it's not really suprising considering Poles aren't as much of a mutt as the latter. Poles tend to cluster with East Germany and other West Slavs, mostly due to mixing and sharing the same origin.
Now stop shitting up the board.
Hudson Roberts
Eat a dick, I'm driving back from work.
Camden Anderson
Wtf is a Sarmatian? You mean like the charity?
Charles Johnson
upper left has polish+ukrainian roots btw
Noah Watson
An ancient Iranic tribe that the Polish nobility used to think they were descended from (unlike the peasants, who they basically considered slavshits who were genetically different from them). It led to the nobles adopting oriental and Turkish style clothing and LARPing all the time. It's basically the world's oldest Sup Forums meme.
Elijah James
why not both?
Austin Wright
slavic subhumans
Hunter James
because they are only slavic subhumans
Colton Collins
...
Liam Sanders
oh, there you are iki, greetings.
Ethan Rivera
>Sarmatian or Slavic?
All Slavs were Sarmatians or Scythians(both are same eastern Iranians) who assimilated a part of Germanic/Celtic people.
Camden Myers
slavs were slavic subhumans
Luke White
>I know that Sarmatism was mostly based on memes
Real memes then lad.
>>inb4 butthurt diaspora starts spamming pictures to convince me otherwise
Yeah sure:
>Pliny the Elder (23–79 AD) wrote that they ranged from the Vistula River (in present-day Poland) to the Danube.
>The Sarmatians were eventually decisively assimilated (e.g. Slavicisation) and absorbed by the Proto-Slavic population of Eastern Europe.[10][11][12][13]
>Recently R. M. Kozlova derived it from *Sъrm- < Proto-Slavic adjective *sъrmatъ (-a, -o), with the meaning "that is rich with sormima" i.e. shallows, referring to the rivers.[17]
>According to Pliny, Scythian rule once extended as far as Germany. Jordanes supports this hypothesis by telling us on the one hand that he was familiar with the Geography of Ptolemy, which includes the entire Balto-Slavic territory in Sarmatia
>The Sarmatians were eventually decisively assimilated (e.g. Slavicisation) and absorbed by the Proto-Slavic population of Eastern Europe around the Early Medieval Age.[10][11][12][13]
>Brzezinski, Richard; Mielczarek, Mariusz (2002). The Sarmatians, 600 BC-AD 450. Osprey Publishing. p. 39. "(..) Indeed, it is now accepted that the Sarmatians merged in with pre-Slavic populations."
>Adams, Douglas Q. (1997). Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture. Taylor & Francis. p. 523. "(..) In their Ukrainian and Polish homeland the Slavs were intermixed and at times overlain by Germanic speakers (the Goths) and by Iranian speakers (Scythians, Sarmatians, Alans) in a shifting array of tribal and national configurations."
>Women in Russia. Stanford University Press. 1977. p. 3. "(..) Ancient accounts link the Amazons with the Scythians and the Sarmatians, who successively dominated the south of Russia for a millennium extending back to the seventh century B.C. The descendants of these peoples were absorbed by the Slavs who came to be known as Russians."
Adrian Wood
No, Sarmatian tribes assimilated and mixed into proto-Slavic tribes (Venedi etc.) which dominated in the area later on.
Wyatt Sanders
No, Sarmatian tribes assimilated and mixed into proto-Slavic tribes (Venedi etc.) which dominated the area later on. >They are one of the tribes that are suspected as the ancestors of some or all of today's Slavs.
>Specifically, he states that the Slavs and the Antes used to be called the Veneti but are now "chiefly" ... called Slavs and Antes.
>East of the Vistula was classed as Sarmatia.
>Pliny the Elder places the Veneti along the Baltic coast. He calls them the Sarmatian Venedi (Latin Sarmatae Venedi).[2] Thereafter, the 2nd-century Greek-Roman geographer Ptolemy, in his section on Sarmatia, places the Greater Vouenedai along the entire Venedic Bay, which can be located from the context on the southern shores of the Baltic.
>The most exhaustive Roman treatment of the Veneti comes in Germania by Tacitus, who, writing in AD 98, locates the Veneti among the peoples on the eastern fringe of Germania. He was uncertain of their ethnic identity, classifying them as Germans based on their way of life but not based on their language (in comparison to, for example, the Peucini):
> Here Suebia ends. I do not know whether to class the tribes of the Peucini, Venedi, and Fenni with the Germans or with the Sarmatians. The Peucini, however, who are sometimes called Bastarnae, are like Germans in their language, manner of life, and mode of settlement and habitation. Squalor is universal among them and their nobles are indolent. Mixed marriages are giving them something of the repulsive appearance of the Sarmatians... The Veneti have borrowed largely from Sarmatian ways; their plundering forays take them all over the wooded and mountainous country that rises between the Peucini and the Fenni. Nevertheless, they are to be classed as Germani, for they have settled houses, carry shields and are fond of travelling fast on foot; in all these respects they differ from the Sarmatians, who live in wagons or on horseback.[4]
Ryan Nelson
I am fucking scared of polaks tbqh they are mean as fuck
Adrian James
Good, good. :D
Jacob Barnes
There is no hope for you autism.
There is no genetic trace of any Sarmatian activity in Polish ethnos.
Stop larping.
Ayden Peterson
>Stop larping.
Stop being an ignorant. Even Standford University shits on your "opinion".
Aaron Ross
What was "slavicized" were already Slavs that were under Sarmatian rule early on.
Scyths/Sarmatians had bigger impact on East Slavic ethnos.
Poles aren't close genetically nor culturally to Sarmatians or Scyths. And just because they lived on territories close to each other, doesn't mean they were/became the same people.
It isn't my opnion, it's a fact. But for some reason it's hard for Turbo-slavs/Lechite idiots to accept the reality and move on.
Colton Fisher
They became the same people because the Iranian Sarmatians (which were in the minority) were absorbed by the proto-Slavic Venedi (which dominated in numbers). They didn't only live close to each other, they lived with each other later on. This is the reality you fucktard, that the smaller group of Sarmatians/Scythians was absorbed by proto-Slavs on today's Polish territory (and beyond to the east).
Asher Perez
>nowiny24.pl
Your point? Roman coins were also found in Poland - Does that make Poles Romans?
>They became the same people because the Iranian Sarmatians (which were in the minority) were absorbed by the proto-Slavic Venedi (which dominated in numbers). They didn't only live close to each other, they lived with each other later on. This is the reality you fucktard, that the smaller group of Sarmatians/Scythians was absorbed by proto-Slavs on today's Polish territory (and beyond to the east).
You passive-agressive turbo-slav idiot.
Let me explain something to you.
Small portion of Early Slavs(not really sure if they can be called like that yet) came with the Corded Ware, they carried M458 and they settled in Poland and East Germany, some of even in Scandinavia. They came with their L664 and Z284(those are older than M458, Germanic mutations btw) brethren, decimated the natives and formed their own cultures on their newly conquered land.
In case of Scandinavia, they became first Nordic culture. Here in Poland, Veneti. Which some argue were Proto Balto-Slavic since they were Satem, not Kentum like R1b original Anatolian Farmers and later Continental Germanics/Celts.
Later, the Polish land is pretty much occupied by East Germanic tribes hailing from Scandinavia. Exchange and assimilation happens, Veneti become Germanic. They raid Rome together, M458 was found in Sardinia, place the only Vandals and Romans ever set foot into. Also From that Poles to this day use germanic hydronims: Oder, Water, Weichsel.
Much later, in the 5-6 century AD first Slavic cultures start to flood Europe, some argue that from both Danube and Dniepr. They carry the same mutations as early M458 that came here during Corded Ware. With the power of their weight they overwhelm the natives and assimilate them into their own culture.
Benjamin Edwards
Those poorly-made maps don't prove anything.
Slavs as ethno-linguistic group exist since 500-600AD, there is no proof to speculate otherwise.
I also don't understand inferiority complex of Slavs. There is so much into Slavic history that Slavs can be proud of: Destroying Danes and other Vikings, destroying Khazar Khaganate etc etc.
But for some reason Turbo-Slavs prefer to steal other peoples cultures.
Jesus christ, get your shit together already.
Gabriel Cox
>Here in Poland, Veneti. Which some argue were Proto Balto-Slavic
Because they were Balto-Slavic. Everything you wrote doesn't refute that the Sarmatians were swollowed by the incoming Balto-Slavic Venedi and other proto-Slavic tribes you idiot.
Dylan Anderson
*swallowed
Daniel Richardson
>all these ottoman influenced clothing&weapons
wew lad
Jayden Morgan
Well Ottoman too but based mostly on Iranian.
Adam Foster
Slavs have as much to do with Germanics and Iranians as Japanese have with Koreans and Chinese