United States has 5,000 nuclear warheads and that's cool but North Korea can't have 1...

United States has 5,000 nuclear warheads and that's cool but North Korea can't have 1? How the fuck is that fair to North Koreans?

You don't give violent retards weapondry to kill millions dumbass.

It's not, dude. come on, it's all theater.

Did you ever stop to think about espionage? Do you think it's fair? Literally every major country funds spies and subversive agents in their rivals.

Nuclear weapons are not made to be used, so owning one or 1000 is the same

The US wouldn't have them if they didn't intend to use them.

And your point is moot since, they US, has, in fact, used them in War against civilian targets.

Of course its not fair. One time two rival countries had an entire arsenal of nuclear weapons. It was called the Cold War and everyone living it had daily drills to comfort them into thinking that they have a remote possibility of surviving the world being bathed in atomic fire at any moment.

Wasn't around then but I for one would not like to have one because that shit sounds like it sucked.

The reason the USA has them is the same reason their people are so adamant about gun ownership, because they exist and other people have them who could be potential enemies. You'd be a little bit more hesitant to rob someone at gunpoint if you knew they a gun too.

wooooooo guns #USA

Well yeah, but the whole shit about "deterrence" is theater. They're there to destroy cities, and that's why the US has them. The US just hasn't had a legitimate need to use them since their conventional weapons are more than enough.

Why have an international incident by deploying a nuke when a tomahawk missile or thermobaric bomb is more than enough? The time will come, though.

Implying US government isn't run by "violent retards."

Then how come America exists?

yup, this is bait.

I hope there will be a nuclear total ultimate war, because I failed in life like at 100%, so if I can't live properly, why should everybody else?

stupid nigger, we don't want them to have one / have the manufacturing capability because they gives them leverage to blackmail the US into lifting sections to stop manufacturing / testing
>random oc

America already proved to be the most violent cowards in history by using a nuke on a civilian city.

>How the fuck is that fair

Who wants the world to be fair? If the world was fair, we would all be equally mindless worms basking in some nutrient pool on a beach somewhere.

No, that's not how the world works. Inequality is a fact of nature, inherent to all sexually reproduucing organisms, and is the cornerstone of evolution.

We weren't meant to all play nice and be equal. That's literally all fantasy shit that people started coming up with, while daydreaming in their walled cities and fortresses, forgetting the real world exists outside of the hyperbolic fantasy scenarios some would like to imagine are true.

Trips of irony lol

>How the fuck is that fair to North Koreans?
When you've got 5000 nukes, you don't have to be fair.
Welcome to the real world.

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I doubt it. I can't imagine the US dropping nukes so close to civilians unless it's in retaliation to a doomsday "all bombs are flying" scenario. I'm sure conventional bombs had collateral damage but not on the scale an h-bomb will have. I just imagine a scenario where the US needs to fuck that much shit up. Launching one nuke would entail launching more nukes which will entail launching all the nukes.

Fat Man and Little Boy weren't meant for civilians. They were meant for military installations and they dropped leaflets pleading the populace to evac the cities ahead of time.

>America already proved to be the most violent cowards in history by using a nuke on a civilian city.

Which saved an estimated 250,000 American lives and 1 million Jap lives.

Oh look it's another episode of predict the future...oh humble Americans thank you so much for nuclear destruction!

>They were meant for military installations

If you think that, then you're clearly ignorant of the reason given for the prolonged firebombing campaign that culminated with the dropping of the two nukes.

To create "permanent absenteeism among their workforce" And they accomplished this by destroying civilian centers in cities. honestly, the nukes are almost a red herring. The US firebombing campaign DECIMATED the Japanese civilians with impunity to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. And yes it was to kill civilians because despite losing in the Pacific, the Japanese people still believed in their emperor as they had for millennia.

Did you know that when the Gatling Gun was originally developed, they said it would end war because it would deter anyone from attacking?

Oh friend, don't be foolish. We haven't even seen man's final tools, yet.

>How the fuck is that fair to North Koreans?
who needs food when you can have nukes

>Oh look it's another episode of predict the future...oh humble Americans thank you so much for nuclear destruction!

You probably don't realize this, Skippy, but "predicting the future" is what smart people do and get paid very well for.

Stop shitposting.
America airdroppes literally tons of leaflets telling people to evacuate before the nuke. Anyone who stayed is on their own.

The bombs were dropped because a mainland invasion of Japan would have d day and more levels of casualties

True but Americans gave Japanese civilians early notice on firebombing runs and nuclear strikes. Yes the goal was to disrupt production and moral, but how else do you fight an enemy Who uses literal suicide tactics. It's not like they would just give up after a couple bases get destroyed

World War 2 was an event of total war. Not sure how this is a discussion when our nuclear bombs are being replaced with alternative weapon systems. Think bigger bombs that have the same destructive nature that are not nuclear.

First of, I'm not him.

And yes, It would have made D-day look like a holiday on the beach. The Japanese were more than ready for a mainland assault, and anticipated it as the natural course for the war if the US didn't accept their conditional surrender (which they were ready to give, their only condition was to keep the emperor in power)

But that shit about the leaflets is rubbish. They dropped those leaflets every-time they firebombed a city. What are you going to do, leave your house, where your family has lived for generations and let it burn to the ground? No, they setup community firewatches. Nobody expected what was coming. They were used to the American Bombers by then, and they dropped firebombs. Crude incendiary devices. Basically little tins of burning fuel. That's what they were expecting.

It's pretty close. A tool that can render land literally uninhabitable for decades and alter DNA for miles around seems like the ending point. Maybe a Black hole generator could be worse.

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Think about it the other way. Germany won WWII and the US was fought back to nothing. German bombers fly in the US mainland's sky with impunity, dropping fiery death on civilian trailer parks and shanty towns everywhere with little tin cans of burning oil. They warn the civilians with leaflets every time though so that's OK, by your logic? Regardless, then one day they don't drop little cans of burning oil, they drop a goddamn nuke. How about that?

Thats on them then. America have notice. Either you believe it and move or you dont. Seems kind of petty to say "well you didn't tell us that you were really for real this time"

It's simple, we are better than North Korea.

We are better in every way.

We have rights they don't and never should have.

Not everyone is born equal.

Not everyone has "equality".

Some people are better than others.

We are better, and we intend to stay better.

It's not "fair", and it never will be, because nothing about the world or nature is "fair".

"Fair" is a rainbow fairy tale bullshit word designed by crybabies who refuse to see reality.

Get the fuck over it.

It's about who is strong, and who is weak. We intend to be strong, and we intend to keep them weak.

That's life, that's reality.

We don't apologize for it either, so fuck off.

whats even the point of having that many?
like why didnt we just make 5 and call it good?

Didn't America say that the next bombing run would end the war? Pretty sure it was televised and everything so it wasn't just another bombing run.

If the Japanese treated it that way then sure it sucks but that's war, America didn't even have to give notice,

We don't apologize for Japan either.

Fuck those pieces of shit.

We won, they lost. We aren't sorry for winning or the Japanese dead.

War is about killing other human beings until the other group surrenders.

We did that and we did it well. We won. End of story.

Don't fuck with the best.

I'm saying the shit about a notice is all theater.

Since when do you listen to the fucking enemy propaganda in a war?

>until the other group surrenders.
Japan was ready to surrender, actually. That much is historically clear. They just wanted it conditional. So, no, the nukes and firebombing were, in fact, optional.

Nationalism aside. This is actually kind of true, america officially declared war on Japan which they officially recognized. America then "wins" within the current rules of engagement at the time. Not sure where the issue is?

>Unfair
It´s called natural selection, and it´s pretty simple, socialist and communists either die or live in a misery before they die

Not accepting their surrender, and seeking an unconditional surrender and turning them into a vassal state, basically. That's where people tend to take issue with that. Where you draw the line. Where it's just gratuitous bullying.

It doesnt matter is what im say.

Notice was given, it's not America's fault people ignored it.

So was the condition surrender.

And there was more to the conditional surrender the. Keeping an emperor. There were trade deals and fuel clauses, you know , the main reason Japan bombed pearl harbor to start with

But Japan started the official hostilities. America could be seen getting recompense if nothing else.

"We want to surrender."
"We want options."

Nope.

Either surrender or don't surrender.

"We surrender, but only if you A, B, and C.".

I don't think so bitch. You surrender or WE WILL KILL YOU ALL.

That's war faggot. Now burn you Japanese piece of shit.

> the main reason Japan bombed pearl harbor to start with

You forgot to finish your sentence. It was because the US feared their growht and prosperity and had tried to cut their supply of fuel oil through embargoes, which led to Japanese leaderships accurate assessment that the US was trying engaged in active economic hostility against them.

They shouldn't have taken the bait at pearl harbor though. That was all bait. And the American People are just as guilty for taking that bait, too. It was the excuse that Roosevelt needed to drag the US into war, as Churchill and his Jew backers had been pressuring for some time by then.

Japan is an ally, m8. Let's get back to reality here. We're talking about history. Japan and the US are allies.

They had some options...get beat economically, or get burned like roaches in an oven.

They chose the oven.

They have to deal with their choices.

All we have to do is win, and we did.

No regret.

wheres the irony? kim jong can act impulsively and nuke whatever he pleases. you’re saying the us can do the same?

I'm speaking in the first person as though I am from that era to get my point across.

I don't want the Japanese to burn NOW, but I regret nothing about them burning then.

We won, they lost.

Here we are today, and they are a nice tidy little bitch on their little island exactly where we want them.

Life is good if you learn and remember your place.

>They just wanted it conditional.
Just to prepare and kill even more people than the bombings did

That's some tough talk from someone who wasn't even born at the time.

I'm just saying it's not all as black and white as everyone likes to pretend.

Kim, wir lieben Dich!
Talk with Vlad, he will give you the wheat and corn. He says, you should look for a vegan/vegetarian way to feed your people - like always he giggle, cause the fat americunts.

So I am required to have lived in an era to have a firm stance on an era?

I am also pretty strongly against The Crusades and will take just as roughly about those.

Am I required to have lived hundreds of years ago in order to have a strong opinion on the matter?

Exactly.

You are right though, it's not black and white, but saying that as though it's somehow a deep and valid is pointless.

Nothing is black and white. My thoughts on eating a muffin aren't even black and white.

"Eating a muffin isn't black and white...look at how deep I am.".

Fuck off with your psuedointellectual bullshit.

We won, they lost. They burned, we didn't.

Life is good.

Oh, so i'm sure you did born in 1930 and you're a 88 old veteran who browses Sup Forums.

>You forgot to finish your sentence. It was because the US feared their growht and prosperity and had tried to cut their supply of fuel oil through embargoes, which led to Japanese leaderships accurate assessment that the US was trying engaged in active economic hostility against them.

Yeah, tell that to China and Korea.

I read this thread and have to wonder.....

WTF are they teaching kids in school.

That everyone is equal, and everyone is your friend, and ignore the man behind the curtain.