I'm tired of hearing about this fucking guy, it's turning everyone I know into raging leftists and it's sickening.
Is he finally going to be BTFO in Cali this tuesday and resign?
How long do I have to put up with this before his insane supporters admit defeat.
Also Bernie sanders is a warmongering sociopath that voted with Hillary Clinton 93% of the time and completely destroyed the audit the fed bill. I hope he fucking dies.
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Can someone give a clear answer as to this guys chances in Cali and when it will be over for him?
Memes aside, he would be way better than Hillary. He's against the trade deals. He claims he would create 13 million jobs rebuilding the infrastructure. No idea if he can really do it though.
People are turning into raging leftists because they gave up on capitalism being fixed. Doesn't help that Sup Forums has fallen for the lolbertarian memes and don't even admit that there is a problem. Only Trump *MAY* be able to rescue capitalism, but desu I doubt it.
He could actually win California. It'll be +/- 5%
>believeing what a jew says
>lolbertarian memes
Please kill yourself son.
Nobody wants to live in a shitty authoritarian "social democracy".
Even if he wins by 5%, that wont be nearly enough. He needs a landslide to stay in it.
But he keeps criticizing the banks. I think he may have been kicked out of jewry by the other jews a long time ago?
What's important is to use the time we have left to drive a wedge further between (((Bernie))) and Clinton supporters so the berners just sit out the general election.
He voted with Hillary 93% of the time.
He supported like a million wars.
He supports the federal reserve.
He supports corporate welfare.
I hope he dies.
No, lol. If he win's California then Hilldawg super delegates "should" switch to him because it would expose massive problems in her support. California is HUGE.
>Is he finally going to be BTFO in Cali this tuesday and resign?
Demographics are against him but due to how open the primary is in California (same day registration for independents) he can actually win the state, though I doubt he would win it in the margin he needs to cockblock shillary from getting the nomination.
Also he wants to raise taxes on the middle class and poor.
Here's 538 to win. But take it with a grain of salt, because it is Nate Silver we're talking about
projects.fivethirtyeight.com
>it's turning everyone I know into raging leftists and it's sickening.
Its working and its super effective!
I get if you don't like his policies or whatever.
But can anyone really explain to me the vitriol behind him? He's the most tame fucking candidate ever, he never laid a glove on Hillary.
Seriously, why is he so hated?
But the only people I know are college kids and homosexuals.
Everyone else is turning away from the left.
Also kill yourself you delusional leftist fincuck.
>Is he finally going to be BTFO in Cali this tuesday
Yes, absolutely.
>and resign?
No, absolutely not. He won't quit. Even 1000 years from now descendants of his supporters will be convinced he still has a shot.
They need to raise Taxes to keep dem programs afloat.
Just few more days, he will get rekt on Tuesday and tears will be delicious.
His policies are idiotic.
His supporters are largely comprised of complete morons who don't know the issues.
Clinton is going to secure the nomination the second polls close in New Jersey on Tuesday. California is irrelevant.
Not to mention she's going to win our primary here in PR tomorrow, likely by ~40%. She needs 69 to win, we've got 62.
>He's the most tame fucking candidate ever
Because of his policies.
see:
IIUC though, the democratic nomination elections really are JUST a suggestion. The democrats can pick anyone; it's not against any rules. The democrats know he has a better chance of winning against Trump than Hillary, so they will be conflicted.
Trump vs Bernie in the general elections would be the greatest thing ever. I'm pretty sure Trump would beat Hillary easily (all he has to do is make people see through her lies; she's completely terrible). But against Bernie, they would both really have to make a case for themselves.
I agree that some of his supporters are uninformed.
But what of the informed ones? Who agree with his policies?
They aren't idiotic, they are basically FDR.
I would be happy to have a calm discussion about what you think is idiotic and why people may disagree.
15 trillion... you mean like, per year? Because that's 47 grand for every man, woman and child in the country.
>They aren't idiotic, they are basically FDR.
So you want the united states to be plunged into a great depression with economic controls far worse than most socialist shitholes today?
No man, come on. You know full well nobody wants that.
Why do we have to talk to one another this way?
>They aren't idiotic, they are basically FDR.
Because that's what FDR did.
You said his policies are basically FDR.
Anyone who supports policies like that needs a violent revolution against them thb senpai
Didn't he become president DURING the great depression and was trying to fix it? The great projects and getting people to work at least alleviated the most damaging effects of the depression on common people (even if the economy is still shit). In the end, it seems that the war fixed the depression (which involves a very authoritarian control over the economy).
Yeah but the superdelegates are in place to protect the establishment of the Democratic party not to establish the best candidate to win.
I agree that Trump against Shilldog would have an easier time since he could sell himself as the anti establishment candidate, something that against Sanders wouldn't be so effective.
The reality is though that the Superdelegates will support shilldog no matter what and Sanders only hopes of winning the nomination is basically Shillary getting an indictment, which most likely never going to happen.
Is fun that you say that, because as a neutral observer I see both camps saying the same thing, here the liberals are the ones that don't know anything while for the liberals the conservatives are all white rednecks that believe the earth is 5000 year old and that god came down from the heavens and wrote the constitution and all that jazz and accuse Donald Trump and his supporters of not knowing anything about the issues as well.
You're a fucking idiot, dude. You have no idea what you are talking about. Wow, bro.
Don't listen to him, he is just a leaf.
>suicide rates
Nordics kill themselves because they're drunk northeners with shit winters, not taxes... Also it's currently about 8/100k, similar to the rest of Western Europe while America's is 50% higher.
>Everyone wants the American dream
Kek.
>create 13 million jobs rebuilding the infrastructure
>sucking TRILLIONS of dollars out of the private sector to "create" temporary government labor jobs
What about people who want CAREERS?
Yea.
>Didn't he become president DURING the great depression and was trying to fix it?
Correct.
>In the end, it seems that the war fixed the depression (which involves a very authoritarian control over the economy).
Correct.
>Is fun that you say that, because as a neutral observer I see both camps saying the same thing, here the liberals are the ones that don't know anything while for the liberals the conservatives are all white rednecks that believe the earth is 5000 year old and that god came down from the heavens and wrote the constitution and all that jazz and accuse Donald Trump and his supporters of not knowing anything about the issues as well.
Never said Trump was immune to this. There are tons of moronic Trump supporters as well. Many in this very thread.
>Didn't he become president DURING the great depression
Yes, at the start.
Hoover started with the massive government intervention which then made the economy worse, then FDR came along and created even more authoritarian economic controls and turned the economy into a shithole.
We only got out of the depression AFTER WW2 when the government eliminated most of these economic controls.
The year that happened, the united states had the most productive year in it's history.
>The great projects and getting people to work
lmao they were mostly a waste of resources that made people poorer
How is paying people to destroy food productive? How is digging holes and filling them back up productive?
Should have just gave people money and said they didn't have to work, it would have been pretty much the same thing.
>it seems that the war fixed the depression
>le war fixed the economy meme
This isn't true at all and makes ABSOLUTELY no sense whatsoever. Stop believing this massive turd of a lie. Holy shit, just think about it for 2 seconds.
The problem is from idiologies. One camp wants a the estate to be the last safety net for the ones that fail at capitalism and that net will be paid by everyone in the game in the case you may need it (some will argue that the ones with larger amount of capital should pay more but that is another issue) while others want the estate to not intervene on the behalf on anyone (LOL because that never actually happen since the government usually never bothers when poor people lose money but do come to the rescue when it is the rich people losing their money) which would mean they wouldn't have to pay for a safety net they don't feel the need to have because they don't see themselves in a position where they would actually need it.
>no argument
Wow I love this.
Seriously though FUCK FDR and anyone who has policies even closely resembling his.
Nobody wants to live in poverty.
>Nordics kill themselves because they're drunk northeners with shit winters, not taxes
Bro, that was only one argument in that image. Continue reading.
Here's him gaining more supporters
Yea, dude. Fuck infrastructure. Why do we even need it? Huh? Take my money for infrastructure?! Communism!
>tfw you apply the same exact logic to Trump's wall idea, not to mention the Keystone Pipeline
you're a delusional hypocrite.
How retarded are you? The Great Depression started 4 years before FDR took office. The New Deal lifted millions out of poverty. Stop. You don't know what you are talking about. Is this Molymeow? Kys.
>authoritarian
wew lad
>that was only one argument in that image
It was THE argument.. Danes are miserable people that kill themselves because of high taxes on income, cars and houses causing nobody to accomplish anything.
That's some meme-tier bs m8...
Clinton is focused on the GE because she's already won the nomination. Bernie is just being sour grapes.
Also funny that Bernie wants to abuse superdelegates after spending his entire campaign bitching about how "corrupt" they are.
Going against the will of the voters and all that jazz, right? That's Bernie now.
>DUDE WE SHOULD LIKE PUT EVERY LAST PENNY INTO INFRASTRUCTURE JUST LIKE CHINA DOES
>WHO NEEDS A PRIVATE ECONOMY WHEN WE CAN HAVE LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE BRO
You're a fucking moron. Jesus fuck.
Sup Forums was libertarian for the most part before Trump
But he was talking about job creation, not the infrastructure itself. Rebuilding bridges, roads and shit is all very much needed, but pretending that it will lead to a lasting improvement in the number of jobs available is dishonest.
Yeah, it's all going to have consequences I'm sure. Maybe he can actually make things work out OK.
That's the thing that worries me about Sanders. The government is so broken, corrupt and inefficient. Sometimes seems like he's just going to keep on feeding the beast, and not fix it.
it's funny these Trump supporters are so hung up over this communism while their God Emperor is proposing the same thing
>The Great Depression started 4 years before FDR took office.
I know.
see:
>The New Deal lifted millions out of poverty.
AHAHAHAHAHA
Holy shit, it plunged millions into poverty.
FDR's economic controls basically destroyed the economy and violently kept it down for over a decade.
Then he comes along with the new deal which, destroys the economy even more but gives people crumbs to live off of.
If your slavemaster gives you bread is he really helping you out?
>it's not authoritarian because I said so
You have no argument.
Why would he drop out when he has all those ledditor commie clowns donating their entire paychecks to him?
So you are retarded? Our infrastructure is falling apart.-- I can't believe that I have top explain something so simple to you, Jesus fuck.--
Our bridges are falling apart, retard. Mind your own leaf business.
Those cities that China are building are for the millions who live in the country. Million and millions are going to be moved onto those cities. Go to school, nigger.
Again, you are a moron.
Bro, it was one argument in the image.
Look at the other shit about debt levels and taxes.
Damn you're slow.
>u-ur dum
No argument.
The destroying food wasn't just wasting things. It was a response to the price balance being upset earlier IIRC.
>Bernie promises free shit.
Yay.
>Bernie promises $15 min wage.
Yay.
>Bernie has to tax people to pay for it.
THATS OK IM MAKING MORE MONEY NOW!
>You make $15.00 an hour but get taxed so hard you are back to making $6.50 an hour but there are no more full time jobs its only part time.
Fuck off molymeow. You're an idiot. ONE DOLLAR.
>it's authoritarian because I said so
Not an argument.
Excellent video to trick people.
no need to resign after tuesday. I think the only primary after that is DC, which obviously hillary will dominate since DC is like 90% black
>So you are retarded?
You're basically saying we should do what china does yet you call me retarded.
>Our infrastructure is falling apart.
Yes and we should rebuild it over time. Not take trillions out of the private economy to create these temporary labour jobs.
>Million and millions are going to be moved onto those cities.
LMAO
You're ACTUALLY defending ghost cities.
Nobody is going to move into those places.
They cannot afford it.
HAHAHA Holy shit
Fuck you are stupid. There is no arguing this, you live in an alternate world. Where facts aren't facts.
>Memes aside, he would be way better than Hillary.
You are a fucking idiot if you believe that. Bernie's plans would destroy this country.
>defending the destruction of food
You keynesian retards are actually this fucking delusional I swear.
Doing this to manipulate prices STILL didn't even help anything or fix the depression.
What fixed the depression was getting rid of all of these economic controls.
Learn basic history.
Was this confirmed him?
>I STILL have no argument.
You're pathetic.
You didn't have an argument in the first place. I was simply mocking you.
He voted against auditing the fed. Thats everything i need to know about him.
Meh, they still built nice things.
>We only got out of the depression AFTER WW2 when the government eliminated most of these economic controls.
Frankly I doubt that.
The idea that that the great depression was just going to fix itself in a few years (or maybe it needed more deregulation even then?) but the attempted fixes prolonged it by nearly a decade seems pretty naive to me.
The war had a huge impact on the economy. War isn't good, but it's a way to have temporary fascism and have the government do things they couldn't normally do.
After WW2, the US came out as the only one with industries still standing, and demand was high. So who knows what would have happened after that.
One of the most downbeat theory I ever heard was that lowering the population had a good effect.
>no argument
damn I thought I came here for an argument
>our MUH ROOOOADS are cracking and filled with potholes and shit
>majority of bridges in the USA are in dire need of repair if not outright replacement
>places like New Orleans which have dikes and shit desperately need to repair and upgrade them as flooding protection
>rail lines are old shit
Infrastructure is one good thing the government could be spending on
but instead of spending it on the US, we're spending trillions to pay fucking war profiteer thieves for "building" fake roads and bridges in Muslimstan. And by building I mean filing paperwork saying they did a job when they most likely didn't.
>our economy should be more like countries where the median person has much less purchasing power than us!
This is what Bernouts actually think. You would be giving up significant quality of life so that Jerome can get a free ride for his African Studies degree.
There's a reason why nearly all innovation comes from the US and why the per capita median household disposable income is nearly 30% higher than the highest in Europe. Our economic system works. Left-populism does not. It fucking destroys countries. Argentinians, Brazilians and Greeks can tell you all about that.
I'm not a Keynesian.
>>it seems that the war fixed the depression
>>le war fixed the economy meme
>This isn't true at all and makes ABSOLUTELY no sense whatsoever. Stop believing this massive turd of a lie. Holy shit, just think about it for 2 seconds.
thank you. I can't believe people still believe this.
>Frankly I doubt that.
mercatus.org
>The idea that that the great depression was just going to fix itself in a few years
This is how america solved it's(government created) recessions and panics for over 100 years prior to this.
In fact there was a large recession in 1920 and the government did absolutely nothing and it was OVER in 6 months time.
>but the attempted fixes prolonged it by nearly a decade seems pretty naive to me.
The economic controls lasted for over a decade and got even more powerful over time.
There was basically ZERO private economy at the time because the government controlled and manipulated fucking everything.
>The war had a huge impact on the economy.
Yes by destroying resources and making people poorer.
Once we ended the war we stopped the government spending, then these resources we spent making CONSUMER GOODS instead of war goods and the economy flourished.
>le ebin nigger meme
>le ebin useless shitty obscure degrees meme
Not an argument.
what is a a republican majority congress?
>war fixed the depression
Holy fuck there's people that still believe this? People that are able to use a computer are this fucking stupid?
Go read Midas Paradox by Sumner you morons
Yet you take your ideas and opinions from what keynesians have been saying for decades.
Why are lolbertarians such pussies? We need a good war once in a while. A real one. Not just bombing brown people for more than a decade and policing them hoping they eventually become civilized. North Korea seems like it would be a fun place to visit. Think of all the memes we would encounter!
Who's better for Sup Forumsacks, Bernie or Hillary?
>So you are retarded? Our infrastructure is falling apart.-- I can't believe that I have top explain something so simple to you, Jesus fuck.--
If our infrastructure was so bad, why did barely any of the $1 trillion stimulus package work to fix the infrastructure? that's what was sold as to the public.
The problem you have is that Keynesianism and the New deal actually worked. If you look at the data during the 50's up to the 60's the american middle class was living the "American dream" at the 70's is when shit started to get south when mom need to work as well to pay the bills and since then every middle class household needed both parents to work to live by.
One of the reasons Americans are coming out to vote for Trump is because Trump is speaking to this people that remember a better time and see themselves in poverty or close to it because of the state of their country and don't see a single politician speaking against it.
The real manner here is that high taxes and government protectionism of the middle class created that middle class and see it thrive. Eisenhower marginal taxes were as high as 91% for the biggest earners (over 200K for single people and over 400K for married people which adjusted for inflation it means basically 1.7M for single people and over 3.4M for a couple).
en.wikipedia.org
Go down to Luxembourg study and weep you fucking socialist fucktard
FUCKIN' CHECKED AND WITNESSED
We need him to split the Democratic vote you idiots, you should be shilling for bernie
when America was "great" the rich paid high taxes and the poor paid low taxes. It only makes sense to re-enact this. Fuck off
>The real manner here is that high taxes and government protectionism of the middle class created that middle class and see it thrive
This sentence makes no sense. I know English isn't your first language but at least try
>Eisenhower marginal tax rate
This meme again. That tax rate was irrelevant because tax dodging was a sport back then. Government tax receipts were much much much lower than they were now.
Left-populism destroyed your fucking country, stop trying to push it on to us you fucking darkie
Reality will hit them soon. Unless they start shilling for Jill Stein or something, but that would mean that Trump would win.
Unless they fall in line with Pocahontas as her VP.
>Left-populist economics works guys, trust me, we experienced it first hand here
The "berners" were never in the election to begin with. They're illegals and underage tards who could never have voted, which is why they resort to chimping out.
>Keynesianism
Seems to have failed when "stagflation" happened. But it doesn't mean it couldn't have been made to work. There are infinite ways to "implement" it, the government can screw it up for sure (corruption or incompetence).
My understanding is that the US had a shift in priority. Protecting their currency's value internationally became more important than managing the employment situation. The task kept getting ever more difficult.
I think they were just claiming to be stupefied by the situation. They knew what they were doing.
meme war with best Korea!
It has been foretold!
Sounds like something a clinton sleeper agent would say?
That period of time wasn't actually keynesianism, in fact keynesianism wasn't even used that much. We were still on a semi gold standard at the time. The time we got off the gold standard and REAL keynesianism was actually tried it was a fucking disaster, look at 70s stagflation.
>Eisenhower marginal taxes were as high as 91% for the biggest earners
Except the fact they were NOT actually that high.
The reason the 50s was so productive was because taxes were relativity LOW and people had a lot a economic freedom.
Walls aren't human workers, and the amount of tax money going to illegal aliens' healthcare that will be removed will pay for the wall ten times over.
>The problem you have is that Keynesianism and the New deal actually worked
[source]
>the rich paid high taxes
Except that's not what happened at all.
Few people actually paid those taxes.
see: