Readings for Mass First Reading: Ezekiel 34:11-16 Responsorial Psalm: Psalms 23:1-3, 3-4, 5, 6 Second Reading: Romans 5:5-11 Gospel: Luke 15:3-7 Today's Rosary: The Sorrowful Mysteries
I get so hard thinking about Jesus Christ my lord and savior
Pleeeeaaaseeee, make more!
Dylan Gutierrez
i bet you people don't even go to church
John Roberts
Why did we let the wop take over these threads...
Xavier Perry
>God's Word is so divine, we are not able to see it as God does. That's why a person can read a single chapter in the bible several times, and discover something new in it each time. And you might be wrong each time. The point is, everyone will read everything differently. God is absolute and there is only Truth in him. By coming up with different interpretations and understanding of his nature, you prove that you are wrong about Him. If you saw the Truth, you wouldn't have different versions of it.
>We aren't God. ok >We aren't able to just absorb 100% of the Word of God in to our spirit without trying This does not make any sense. You don't absorb the words, you absorb the Spirit. The Bible is a book, even though it has the Truth in it, it does not give you the Spirit. Baptism does. >God is working in all of His children as best as we allow Him to, and we are all at different levels of understanding and progress, and all different. If His children have a different understanding of Him, you imply that God is lying to them. Which is absolutely ludicrous. >God sent prophets because people went off-track Who assures you that you are not off-track then? >Then it was all written down for future generations But when they went off-track it was already written. The Torah existed already and yet people went off-track. What makes you think you are not off-track to? Clearly just reading the Bible is not enough to avoid that. >Did Aaron have 'priesthood' infallibility? No. Never claimed that >So why does the pope? It is not the Pope as person who does, it is the Magisterium. The Holy Spirit simply protects it from teaching error. In all other instances the Pope is just as wrong as anyone else.
Tyler Young
Nope. Literally google that shit up. No matthew
>You don't believe that Christ will come as the Lion later? yes, has nothing to do with what I said
>The Catholic church didn't exist until 393 AD This is completely wrong, the Church Fathers rebuke you
>Clement of Alexandria >[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly grasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? "Behold, we have left all and have followed you" [Matt. 19:2 7, Mark 10:28] (Who is the Rich Man That is Saved? 21:3-5 [A.D. 200]).
>Cyprian >With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and blasphemers to the Chair of Peter and to the principal church [at Rome], in which sacerdotal unity has its source" (Epistle to Cornelius [Bishop of Rome] 59:14 [A.D. 252]). I could post thousands of quotes but there is no need. What matters is that you are full of shit
Brandon Gutierrez
Hello, everyone. I have no denomination but still consider myself a Christian. Is this valid or do I need to stick with a particular denomination to practice my religion effectively?
Matthew Sullivan
>The Holy Spirit simply protects it from teaching error Does the Holy Spirit want someone who represents almost 2 billion Christians to bow down and kiss Muslim invader feet?
The pope is not infallible. Neither was Adam, Moses or anyone else in the bible.
Don't you understand? Men die, man comes from dust.
What do you think would happen if the pope was the leader of the Israelites in the wilderness, and then invited the Canaanites in to the camp and gathered everyone around and then washed their leader's feet and kissed them?
>anyone else in the bible Anyone except God, I mean.
Oliver Ramirez
I need skydaddy to keep me happy and make me feel safe
Adrian Wright
The shillposters on Sup Forums and specially on Sup Forums are really going into hardcore mode.
The latest few weeks we had regular christian threads praising Jesus Christ on Sup Forums. Already then shillers tried to break the threads.
They are trying to break us and create division by on purpose exclude Orthodox Catholics and promote degeneracy.
These shilling will increase heavily. Be aware folks Trust no one.
God bless you.
Robert Rogers
>Does the Holy Spirit want someone who represents almost 2 billion Christians to bow down and kiss Muslim invader feet? As I have already told you, the Holy Spirit protects the Magisterium. The Pope, apart from when he is speaking ex-cathedra, can be wrong just like everyone else. So the answer is: no >The pope is not infallible. As a person no, but the office he holds is infallible in the sense that when speaking ex-cathedra and in matters of faith and morals, the Holy Spirit protects him from teaching error. It is a very rare occurrence anyway. For example Pope Francis has never used it so far. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magisterium >Don't you understand? Men die, man comes from dust. Nothing to do with the argument in question >What do you think would happen if the pope was the leader of the Israelites in the wilderness He is, Israel is the Church and we are currently in the wilderness >and then invited the Canaanites in to the camp The Pope didn't invite millions of muslims into Europe. European secular governments did. >and gathered everyone around and then washed their leader's feet and kissed them? I don't agree with his gesture at all, but that in no way rebukes the papacy as an institution. There have been much worse Popes in the past, who did much worse things >Why is this so difficult for you to accept? I only accept the Truth and have no difficulty in doing so. You are the one basing your arguments on prejudice and superstition.
Leo Gonzalez
He does it even though you are a loser. Such a good guy.
Thanks God! I love you!
John Richardson
Does anyone here actually go to church? Or is it just roleplaying?
Ian Gray
>implying orthodox aren't protestants
Asher Perry
>>Jesus Anime Holy kek you are degenerate
Mason Robinson
This pope is bad, but the unity of the church is a divine commandement, look at your religion,protestantism is filled with sects and their numbers is growing every day you aren't one like Christ wanted.
Aaron Taylor
I go to church with my parents
Ayden Rivera
>the Magisterium "The magisterium of the Catholic Church is the authority or office of the Church to establish its own authentic teachings."
>establish it's own teachings
Kissing unclean Muslim invader feet is not authentic, it doesn't come from God, and it is not holy.
Owen Fisher
Aren't things like the veneration of Mary, the Holy Trinity, the Eucharist, and all the sun symbolism behind Jesus's head kind of pagan in origin? Is Catholicism like pagan monotheism?
Gavin Roberts
it's actually pretty good
It establishes the teachings in the sense that it formalizes them. No new teachings are created, they are simply regulated and put black on white so that heretics cannot emerge and distort the interpretation of the Church by claiming that "it is not written anywhere so it was never believed". All the things Popes have declared through papal infallibiliy (very, very few) were always believed by the Church since 33AD. They simply made it dogma so that nobody in the future could try to pervert the doctrine.
>Kissing unclean Muslim invader feet is not authentic, it doesn't come from God, and it is not holy. I have already explained this, but you choose not to hear, and choose not to see.
Chase Garcia
God's church is living. It is made up of Christians. Each person is like a brick in it. The headstone is Lord Jesus. The Holy Spirit dwells within.
Peter was the apostle that Lord Jesus turned to, and laid down to be the first brick, when God knows his name being synonymous with 'rock'. None of this implies establishing a heretical mega church in the center of the pagan world and changing God's commandments, times and seasons.
Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Daniel Sanchez
The Orthodox are the only allies for Roman Catholics.
Logan Jenkins
Who here knows about the dimes and angels?
Landon Hill
>Aren't things like the veneration of Mary, the Holy Trinity, the Eucharist, and all the sun symbolism behind Jesus's head kind of pagan in origin? No >Is Catholicism like pagan monotheism? No
That is protestant propaganda that has literally 0 ground on reality. We preach the good news to convert people to Catholicism, whereas they preach fear and hate. Not hard to guess who the Holy Spirit is working through 2bh
Bentley Parker
Please spare yourself the effort of replying to me. I cannot help you.
Bentley Murphy
pic related
Christopher Clark
>that fan-fiction The Bible says "Church", not "churches". Even if you took it as meaning all Christians, you could not be considered a single Church because all protestants interpret things differently. Therefore even taking your argument for true, you still wouldn't be part of the Church of Christ
Grayson Fisher
Pure coincidence.
Luke Lewis
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Logan Hill
God doesn't teach people by arguing against them. He speaks the truth. Some people accept it. Some people don't.
When He came in the flesh, many people plotted to kill Him for doing it. They didn't treat Him kindly, and they must have frustrated Him many times. But His hand is always stretched out for us.
God's church is made up of everyone who is saved, i.e. people who believe on the name of Jesus Christ.
Unfortunately, many people will be turned away for treating people like shit.
James Davis
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Levi Reyes
>shamash that is a cross, you must be blind lmao bottom left too. bottom right is simply a damn circle. That shape is actually meant to represent extended arms that welcome the faithful
Evan Cruz
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Parker Stewart
Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Adam Scott
DUDE CIRCLES LMAO you totally got us user. Those on the bottom right are cherubims, not a moon. They were on the ark of the covenant. On top of the ark is mary, who is the new ark of the covenant. Under her feet there is the moon, as seen in Revelation 12:1. 100% biblical and not pagan, stay mad lmao
Daniel Lewis
The cross is derived from the zodiac, which was understood by pagan priests over 1,000 years before Christ's birth.
Elijah Richardson
Nice try, kiddy-diddler.
Joseph Martinez
>God's church is made up of everyone who is saved, i.e. people who believe on the name of Jesus Christ. Faith alone is dead. You need works and sacraments too. Only the sacraments in apostolic churches are valid.
>God doesn't teach people by arguing against them. He speaks the truth. That is literally the same thing. How can you not argue against someone, if you speak the truth and they speak falsehood?
Samuel Stewart
>The cross is derived from the zodiac, which was understood by pagan priests over 1,000 years before Christ's birth.so Jesus was a pagan?
Ethan Watson
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Aaron Price
So why is the Bible full of pagan symbolism which was widespread long before Christianity? I'm not saying the cherubim aren't Biblical, I'm saying the Bible derives a lot of its symbolism from the multitude of pagan cultures existing in every direction from Israel at the time of its conception.
Easton Williams
No, the cross is derived from a two pieces of fuckin wood on which Christ was killed.
Christian Allen
fugged up the greeen text. So are you implying Jesus was a pagain? lmao
Landon Sanchez
>Catholicism >true church >worships a sun god >worships saints >religion of Mexicans
no thanks
Hudson Ortiz
this pictures, through the power of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, nullifies the oath breaker
Nolan Jackson
No, not even if they were to derive from such things. >Some Protestants (usually anti-Catholic ones) falsely accuse Catholics (and often other Protestants as well) of superstition and paganism, even as they themselves hypocritically and ironically blatantly indulge in it, neglecting the crucial role of inner meaning and the heart (very Pharisaical . . .). They view a crucifix as a talisman or a charm. We view it simply as an aid to devotion to our Lord Jesus (an entirely different concept), just as Passover was a means of remembrance to the Jews for God’s deliverance of them (Ex 12:13-14). Many other similar biblical analogies could be brought forth also.
This thinking is not unlike that of certain people who condemn the oeuvre of an artist because he may have one point been a racist. It's pure idiocy.
God's creation is good (very good!) and therefore we can use it as we please in service to Him.
We don't have a set OP, we use the thread of whoever makes it.
Easton Bennett
>So why is the Bible full of pagan symbolism which was widespread long before Christianity? You are asking me why geometrical shapes existed before the birth of Jesus? lmao
Landon Murphy
Why do Protestants deny the Incarnation? Was Jesus lying by saying "I make all things new"?
Also, your argument is literally "HURR DURR FUNNY SHAPES XDDDD"
Jayden Green
*tips tin-foil hat*
Easton Fisher
Not an argument.
Yeah, no. Here's a depiction of the cross found on a slab in Egypt dating roughly 2,000 years before Christ. it was a symbol of luck and fortune to the Babylonians as well. It was also used in South America quite a bit.
Ryan Flores
This is a beautiful Bob Dylan album he made right after he found Christ. Enjoy /csg/
Oh, no, not a shape that scares me! Those Egyptians sure are filthy pagans.
Alexander Watson
To be fair though, that's some Jew Tier thinking in that comic.
Ayden Carter
it is my preferred pronoun, check your priviledge kek scum
Joshua Cook
i will never be worthy of him
Christian Scott
can he deal with this one though?
Colton Nguyen
Hey Im an Orthodox Jew! Can I be part of the discussion?
Jace Williams
longest-standing institution on the planet, baby
Ethan Peterson
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Ryan Cook
he can deal with everything
Chase Nguyen
only if you convert to Christianity
Liam Edwards
I'm saying Christianity hijacked pagan symbolism for its purposes. Not even saying that's bad.
No, I'm asking why Christianity uses symbols that were developed and worshiped by Pagans. If they were just geometric shapes with no real meaning, then why are they ALL OVER your churches and made of fucking gold?
Strawman. BTW pic related is just a bunch of funny shapes so if I wear a Baphomet shirt to your local church don't think anything of it. Fucking twats.
Angel Moore
There is literally nothing wrong with paganism.
And if the shapes don't matter, why are the prominent in every single Catholic and Orthodox church? They don't matter when they're being venerated by pagans but they do matter when being venerated by Catholics? This is a feminist-tier double standard.
Angel Flores
see For example water in the OT represented the gentiles and the enemy in general. In the NT it becomes the means through which we are born again. Jesus overturns the order of the world, makes everything unclean clean, makes death eternal life. Those symbols are not pagan unless you use them with the intention of being a pagan.
Ethan Morgan
m8 the problem we have here is it's very difficult to tell the difference between you and a protestant fundamentalist right now because your understanding of christianity is on that level
John Lee
>Orthodox Jew Why did you reject your king?
Jaxson Johnson
What defines an institution?
Christopher Davis
>longest-standing institution on the planet, baby No, God's church is. It pre-dates Catholicism.
Ian Hall
>I have never read the Apostolic Fathers in my life >the post
Jason Foster
I don't need to. I've read Acts, Romans and the rest of the N.T.
Wyatt Bennett
God's Church = Catholic Church Protestantism was born in 1500, you are the last one to talk here
Hierarchy, leadership, unity.
Ryder Fisher
Then you clearly skipped over some incredibly vital parts because meant you wouldn't feel good.
God help you if you ever actually pick up Ignatius of Antioch or Justin Martyr, you'll shit yourself. Every single element of Catholic doctrine and practice was present in the first century whether or not it makes you butthurt.
Dylan Morgan
Dear sky wizard, Please cause another great extinction like you did with the flood
Robert Johnson
[26]"When Jesus saw His mother and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, “Woman, here is your son.” [27]Then He said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” So from that hour, this disciple took her into his home. [28]After this, knowing that everything had now been accomplished, and to fulfill the Scripture, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.”
I was taught in a sermon that this was when Jesus parted ways with Mary, and in ascending he would no longer be her son, but her father in heaven. I figured it was also to make sure Mary wasn't designated as divine like God, or something.
I'm just saying here, I can certainly see it this way.
Carson Young
>No, God's church is. It pre-dates Catholicism.
The Martyrdom of Polycarp
When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath (The Martyrdom of Polycarp 8 [A.D. 110]).
Aaron Perry
>Ignatius of Antioch or Justin Martyr They aren't in the bible. They didn't write God's Word.
Traditions of men. >do this >do that >i'm adding this, so just do it >don't ask me why, it's tradition
Blake Walker
Then I'd argue that the Catholic church didn't exist until the First Council of Nicaea because beliefs were widely different and thus lacked unity.
If it's simply "leadership" then Pharisaic Judaism which became the basis of Rabbinic Judaism is the longest held western "institution."
Logan Parker
I haven't said very much at all that would reveal what I know/believe about Christianity. I'm just trying to deal with the issue of ancient pagan symbols being used extensively by the Catholic church. I'm not saying I don't know what those symbols represent TO CATHOLICS, or that they are inherently sinister because of their pagan origin either. Literally just tackling this one point and you're all freaking the fuck out making all these very telling assumptions.
Anthony Taylor
Like the flood? Please, Yahweh's apocalypse is the most metal thing imaginable.
Wonder if it's really just gonna be earth or a Big Crunch though
Nathaniel Roberts
> kike fantasy fiction General
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Leo Brooks
THAT is totally fine and I agree 100%. I was just asking the blind fanatics to reconcile the ancient symbols with their use in the Catholic church. You did that just fine.
Adrian Phillips
>They aren't in the bible. They didn't write God's Word. So you think you know better than a student of the Apostle John? Who the fuck do you think you are?
Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).
In like manner let everyone respect the deacons as they would respect Jesus Christ, and just as they respect the bishop as a type of the Father, and the presbyters as the council of God and college of the apostles. Without these, it cannot be called a Church. I am confident that you accept this, for I have received the exemplar of your love and have it with me in the person of your bishop. His very demeanor is a great lesson and his meekness is his strength. I believe that even the godless do respect him (Letter to the Trallians 3:1-2 [A. D. 110]).
Beliefs weren't different at all. There were some non-apostolic Churches trying to spread heresy and so the Council was made so that a written agreement could avoid heresies from spreading in the future. Apostolic Churches always had the same beliefs >If it's simply "leadership" then Pharisaic Judaism which became the basis of Rabbinic Judaism is the longest held western "institution." Nice 19th centuy fan-fiction, user, but it's getting a bit stale.
Adrian Wood
>try to be polite Aren't you a cucklic shitposter? How many Italian cucklic shitposters *are* there?
Nathaniel Myers
>muh one true catholic church
Genesis 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
Pre-flood, people walked with God in faith.
Are they not in God's church, too? Because the Pope didn't meet them? Genesis 4.
Leo Adams
> cosmic jewish zombie
Jace Mitchell
>Mfw Christianity is dying a slow and painful death.
Christian James
>So you think you know better than a student of the Apostle John? Was John's apostle's works in the N.T.?
Mine aren't either. When I am trying to help people, I give them God's Word, and any revelation or insight I have in to it. I don't write my own traditions to teach people to replace God's commandments.
Connor Ramirez
The world will end before there are no Christians left bongy-bong. And they'll be right all the while.
Grayson Allen
I'm going to start going to church at my local united methodist church next sunday, did I choose right?
Justin Baker
Ignatius of Antioch actually IS in the Bible, he's one of the children that Jesus met. And then he went on to die a heroic death being eaten by lions defending the faith to his last breath, all the while not having any Bible.
>inb4 HURR DURR BUT IT DOESN'T SAY "IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH" IN THE BIBLE
You know what else the Bible doesn't say? What books go in the fucking Bible.
But it doesn't matter, you have your pre-fabricated "MUH TRADITIONS OF MEN!!" excuse to justify your hatred of Christ. Keep worshiping yourself and enjoy Hell.
> See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.
> Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God… They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the Flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, Flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes.
Zachary Carter
>Beliefs weren't different at all. There were some non-apostolic Churches trying to spread heresy and so the Council was made so that a written agreement could avoid heresies from spreading in the future. Apostolic Churches always had the same beliefs But you do realize that Christianity is in itself a Jewish heresy?
>Nice 19th centuy fan-fiction, user, but it's getting a bit stale. Prove it wrong. Modern Orthodox Rabbis can trace their lineage to the second temple period. I'm not even getting into eastern traditions that could easily be older than both the church, and Jews.
Isaac Taylor
Methodists are generally alright. There's a whole lot of variation between individual churches in how they conduct their services though. Some are much more music based than others, while some have much longer sermons. I prefer the longer sermons to music honestly. Not really a fan of music in church at all really.
Christian Perry
He just wants to know stuff, it sounds like.
>In like manner let everyone respect the deacons as they would respect Jesus Christ, and just as they respect the bishop as a type of the Father, and the presbyters as the council of God and college of the apostles. Without these, it cannot be called a Church.
Look, I'm sure there are plenty of trustworthy clergy, but this sounds pretty exploitable. That just doesn't sound like the rest of the Bible to me.
You'll know once you hear a sermon I guess.
Levi Bennett
>Was John's apostle's works in the N.T.? Mine aren't either.
