G13 is such a shit chord fuck off Also how do I strum and do vocals at the same time it's beyond me
Landon Jones
Practice.
Xavier Kelly
Gibson SG original II (61 specs with lyre bar and deep wine color with seymour duncan custom greenies) or heritage h137 (solid slab mahogany, 'intonated' wrap around bridge with lollar p90's)?
I'm pulling the trigger on one of these soon, anyone want to input?
pic related is H137
Gavin Torres
get the gibson you goofy
Anthony Jenkins
ALRIGHT GG SERIOUS QUESTION should i finish learning die to live or perpetual burn first?
Jaxson Reyes
And pic relate is the SG
Nolan Harris
This one for resale value. A little too niggerish for my tastes.
Kayden Ortiz
I can't decide, having played both they are both incredible. The h137 is simple and sounds powerful while the custom pickups on the SG are so expressive and the looks are more elegant. Its basically plain and simple vs elegant and decadent because they both sound amazing.
Gavin Stewart
>tfw you didn't know an album existed
Jordan Diaz
I'm not worried about selling it, I've saved up a lot of money to buy a guitar for life. I'm buying the only guitar I'll be buying for a while, and I don't sell guitars.
Nathaniel Martinez
New amp came in
Sebastian Carter
El trio I know what you mean but circumstances can change. What sound you after?
Cooper Anderson
Is that a p.a speaker/10
Sebastian Clark
I really like the thick twang of the SG, I'm looking for "warm, articulate, smooth (but twangy when needed, expressive". I play a variety of things, I'm worried the p90's will have too much 'bark' in the long run, but they do have good clean tones. Thanks
Jeremiah King
I would still say the sg. And save again for the other one.
Angel Miller
Is this the definition of a hot trap?
Kayden Morris
Dynacomp makes great twang too.
Logan Johnson
That is the truth haha, yeah I'll probably end up making the decision on the day I go to buy one. I'm sure no matter what I'll love anything I take home at this point. cheers user
Luis Morris
Good luck with your future acquisition. Just hope you dont find a third contender.
Camden Wilson
Any suggestions for compressor pedals that a good for tapping and under 120$?
Brayden Carter
Dynacomp foo.
Jackson Baker
Is it feasible to change/swap string types without damaging them?
Eli Foster
>starcaster edition
Thank you, despite that being the ugliest finish the starcaster is offered in. Starcaster is absolutely one of the most underrated guitars in history. Even the reissue is amazing, esp. if you invest in different tuners.
People misunderstand how limitless the possibilities are for the Starcaster. I'm in a jazz big band, a punk project, a jazz fusion combo, and do art rock performances pretty often. Not once have I had a moment where it was necessary to get a different guitar for any of these. The only thing I could think of that would in any way limit the horizons of the guitar would just be the need to switch to flatwounds for some very conservative jazz or obviously just not use it at all if something specifically calls for a single coil sound like surf.
With a good tube amp, I can literally go between a pop/rock wedding gig to playing some Brookmeyer or Montgomery style jazz by changing pickups and rolling off the tone.
Jonathan Gomez
i'm tired of my squier, should i just wait for black friday deals or just go to a pawn shop and shop around for something cheap. are there even good deals anymore at pawn places? was thinking a casino cause i doubt i'd find a sub $500 jazzmaster.
Bentley Hernandez
I think that tailpiece is a problem waiting to happen, and it looks a bit tacky for my taste but its the better choice. Why not look at a more traditional SG? The stoptail design is rock solid and pickups are always able to be changed - Ive done it on nearly all of my instruments from Gibson LPs to Squier basses.
Wyatt Walker
Fuck off or ill post pics of your mom.
Hunter Miller
What's the point of buying expensive electric guitars? I mean I get the pickups and bridge might make an impact on the sound but does the rest actually matter?
Jordan Wood
>People misunderstand how limitless the possibilities are for the Starcaster. I'm in a jazz big band, a punk project, a jazz fusion combo, and do art rock performances pretty often. Not once have I had a moment where it was necessary to get a different guitar for any of these Based on those parameters you could reasonably say the same about a les paul, a jazzmaster, a telecaster or any fucking electric guitar with at least 1 humbucker.
Jose Butler
To shit on poor people who cant afford pieces of wood.
Luis Miller
EHX Canyon or Boss DD-7?
Julian Hernandez
Ehx. Boss is ALWAYS the beta choice.
Christopher Martin
I find the body wood and over all construction on guitars makes a MUCH bigger difference than say a bass. I play both and have basses from Rickenbacker down to Squier, and with good strings, setup and pickups they all sound good. Guitars tho... I dont personally really play anything not USA or Japan made, the sum of the parts makes the instrument. Not to say good tone cant be had from cheaper guitars, or an EMG in a starter strat, but construction fit and finish all held to higher standards on $$ guitars and make a difference.
Benjamin Howard
Im not familiar with the EHX but the Boss DD series seems to get worse with revisions and EHX has always been king of time based effects.
Brody Ward
Is it only noticeable when playing clean/min distortion?
Jace Scott
>are there even good deals anymore at pawn places? Most of the time its gonna be shit-tier guitars for more expensive than you can get them on ebay. Every now and then you'll see something decent if you make a habit of visiting pawnshops often.
The benefit is you can ALWAYS haggle them down, and often times you can haggle down a decent amount. Whatever the selling price, they paid less than half so keep that in mind.
>What's the point of buying expensive electric guitars? Mostly just that its nice to have nice stuff.
Nicer guitars do tend to play better. They'll often have better fretwork so you dont get things like buzz and deadspots; they'll usually be ready to go out of the box. Sometimes they stay in tune better, more resonant, lighter, better wood etc.
Musical instrument manufacturing has come a long way though and theres a ton of cheap guitar lines that are fucking excellent. A nice cheap guitar is like 90% as good as an expensive guitar. If you upgrade the electronics, tuners, hardware its like 95% of the way there.
Jordan Diaz
Fuck I wish I could write more complicated progressions than 4 chords.
Benjamin Cruz
The difference is most of those do all of those things okay and one thing great, while the Starcaster does most of the great and some of them superb. Thinline tele is an exception because it is almost the exact same guitar as a Starcaster.
I've had a lot of problems in jazz with people using solid bodies, especially LPs. They have a tendency to be shrill, and have more intense intonation problems in their higher range, which is a problem for a lot of modern jazz.
My point, though, was that the guitar was underrated, which is pretty undeniable. We think of LPs and teles and even other offset waist gay guitars as being versatile because they are, but I really doubt you've heard people talk praises about the Starcaster even existing, let alone being versatile.
When people who know about the Starcaster, which is a contextually small number, talk about it, they usually do it in the context of funk. Example videos of the Starcaster usually either feature the same rock playing that most guitars are tested with for videos, or Sissy Strut, which is one of the only starcaster songs people really know/care about. Oh and also the headstock doesn't fucking break off like more popular jazz guitars.
I would very much recommend finding a buddy with one and gigging/recording with it for a period if possible, it will make a lot more sense.
John Baker
But the headstock is shaped like a benis :D
Gabriel Bennett
jeez, even fender archtops are way better
Nicholas Brooks
I think the difference is maybe MORE noticeable on overdriven parts. Heavy distortion or pure clean maybe "hide" some of the acoustic properties that overdrive really bring out. Fretwork is a huge difference when you climb in price, all the way to instruments off of a PLEK machine - this makes an immediate difference on a new guitar. A good piece of wood will have nice acoustic properties that translate when amplified. I picked through 5 of the same basses when purchasing my last one. It simply sounded the best. You get diminishing returns above a certain price point, probably about $7-800 new. Above that it is mostly aesthetics. But a quality made instrument costs money and am afternoon in a music store will demonstrate this.
Robert White
Does anyone have experience with any of the newer lacquered Fenders, like the Highway 1s or classic series? I'm interested in knowing how long it takes to wear through the finish. I know the base coat is poly, I'm just interested in wearing through the top coats.
Sebastian Perry
G C D Am FMAJ7 G
Aaron Morales
Forgot to mention that in a high gain situation something like pinch harmonics are unique to the instrument. Some guitars they fly off the neck, others tend to choke and sustain less. This is depended mostly on fretwork and body wood IMO.
Isaiah Lee
I mean i kinda believe any guitar works for any genre...For the most part obviously. I dont reallly see how solid bodies would have intonation problems compared to a starcaster. I think most of what you're saying is subjective. I think most people are turned off by them because they're bolt on hollow bodies.
I play bass and guitar and have to agree. My first cheap squier strat through a marshall mg would drive me fucking nuts. The pickups in my mim strat also sounded weak, and the sustain was shit. I cant stand most solid state guitar amps
On bass i can play a mim jazz through a cheap hartke and it'll sound dope as fuck. I think it has to do with the frequencies of human hearing. Bass is more about feel and for the most part its easier for everything to hit you just right. A shitty guitar through a shitty amp sounds like angry bees
Carter Hill
Most nitro finishes are only a few thousandths of an inch thick. All of my lacquer instruments show wear but nowhere near getting through the color coat. I have a white Les Paul that has some wear through the clear on the neck and edges, which is only noticeable because the clear yellows and the base coat doesnt. In my opinion if the guitar has a poly coat anyways youve already lost any tonal benefit the thin nitro offers. It feels nice but for the price of a "lacquer" MIM you could get a urethane MIA used and have a much better instrument.
Wyatt Young
I was talking specifically about LPs with intonation. My first expensive electric was a USA LP, and I've always had intonation issues with it, at least for my standard, which is probably autistic. But yes, everything I said is an opinion. /gg/ is more opinionated that Sup Forums.
Nathan Rodriguez
Ive been playing bass in local bands primarily for years now, and obviously prefer my nicer instruments but a Squier P bass through my SVT still sounds good. With bass its mostly about the strings and the pickup. With guitar I can barely hear a difference between brands of strings and its more the sum of the parts.
Tyler Morgan
Lurk hard on /moo/ and have literally never come into these threads but I wonder if someone might have a recommendation for me. Local shop (which isn't the best but isn't useless and is the only one around) says I can't get what I'm looking for, as of months ago when I first asked. I have a Six-string Ibanez Soundgear bass and I'm looking to put some fresh, beautiful flatwound strings on them. It's a beige instrument that, if I could, I've decided I'd love to accent with a thick white string. I'm told I won't be able to find a six-string set of flatwounds, period. What can you tell me, if anything, anons?
John Sanders
What intonation issues do you speak of? Sounds like a string/setup/fretwork issue. For the life of me, on the physics alone, I cant see how one guitar from the other will have poorer intonation than the next unless the frets slots are cut wrong. High action can lead to strings going sharp though, as can old strings or pickup height, but the actual physical string being depressed on a fret does not care if the body is LP shape or Starcaster shape.
Nitro finishes can be very different depending on the manufacturer and even the product line. All nitro guitars have some sort of sealer under the nitro finish, and its usually poly. How thick the poly layer is also depends on the manufacturer and the product line; sometimes its a very thin layer, sometimes not
I've had a few "american vintage reissue" fenders and the nitro finishes were pretty thick. Apparently the new post 2013 line had really thin finishes that wear easy. I also had an SG faded bass and the satin finish wears really easily.
I think the highway 1 finishes are satin and would probably wear a little easier, but they look dull imo. The classic "lacquer" series is probably thicker, but i've heard those are nice guitars.
The satin or thin finishes do make the instruments more resonant imo. I dont think theres much of a difference when you're plugged in though
There may be something to that. A friend who has a LP standard told me he just cant get the thing to intonate anymore. Doesnt really make sense to me that they would have shitty unfixable intonation but hey, its possible.
Thomas White
This is a bit of a superficial reason, but I actually hate the look of SG's without the lyre bar. I'm not too worried about the stability of it, I don't thrash my guitars around too much. Definitely a point to consider though, if it were between the h137 and a traditional SG I'd go with the h137 easily.
David Ramirez
Thanks so much user! Been mulling over this for a while now, just haven't known what to make the call on. My new is likely showing but what's the terminology going on in the end of the last post? "...go dead for a pseudo flat sound" Can you explain that for me? I'd rather drop the cash for the quality of what I assume is found in the quadruple-cost jazzmasters. Is the cosmetic look of the while nothing more than novelty compared to how it helps or hinders sound?
(also I get what sound is wanted from an instrument is subjective, to some extent, but that's not exactly my point here, I think you'll get that)
Samuel Wright
With all of my guitars with Gibson-style headstocks, especially with the nuts Gibson uses, I've had bad intonation problems. A lot of Gibson players have to sometimes sand their nuts (worst case scenario), and most of the time I have to put graphite to keep the strings from having friction issues which through you out of tune easily.
This isn't an issue I've had to deal with on a Fender-style headstock. I have a hard time thinking my guitar tech and I are doing things wrong here. It's actually a pretty common issue with guitars like this. I've played $4000 Heritage guitars with this problem. According to my tech, it has something to do with a bad balance of angle and tension that is just inherent with an instrument with a symmetrical headstock but asymmetrical strings.
As him if the notes he's tuning to seem to jump or click over or below the correct intonation, sometimes making a noise like playing a string above the nut or below the bridge if applicable (will be applicable on an LP). If so, graphite and restring.
Brayden Reyes
Sure, dead roundwounds can cop a similar sound to a set of flats. Ive only had one set of the color coated DR strings and they were so-so, you are mostly buying for looks. As they are coated and nickel roundwound they will be zingy for quite awhile. I like other DR sets better namely the hi beams for rounds. The TI set is considered by many to be the best flatwound electric bass strings made. They last essentially forever, so the high price of admissions tends to pay for itself over the years. Many put these on and never change strings again. If you dont like them, you can resell them for a good amount of what you payed.
Daniel Thompson
What's your favorite jazz amp Sup Forums?
Chase Jones
Really appreciate you. End of the day, I'll probably get both. I'd love to see it finalized-- to see the strings fully fleshed out on it. The TI just sounds like too efficient an undertaking in the overall scheme of playing. Whether both at the same time or not, they'll likely both come my way, eventually. Again, my appreciation and thanks, kind user ~
Isaiah King
Again, the physics dont support this as an intonation issue. Im familiar with the issue of strings binding in the nut and high nut slots. Nearly every guitar off of the shelf has the nut cut high and I lower all of mine with a small set of files and a set of feeler guages. This is a setup issue not unique to a body style. When a string is depressed the nut is out of the equation. You have two contact points - the fret and the saddle. Unless your fret in in the wrong location or the intonation at the saddle is not set properly the string will produce the correct pitch on any guitar. Things such as string height, tall frets, old strings, too high pickups, etc can cause problems but again these are setup issues. The string behind the nut on a headstock or past the saddles on a bridge have no bearing on the note produced.
Austin Lee
AC30
Grayson Foster
It's been a while since i've played one, don't they distort pretty easily?
Juan Lee
>People misunderstand how limitless the possibilities are for the Starcaster. You could say the same about literally any electric guitar with a fucking EQ pedal.
Isaiah Gomez
There is no point if you know how to setup a guitar properly. This Epiphone plays and sounds every bit as good as this Gibson after being setup properly.
Parker Richardson
What is the second best guitar anthem of the 2000's behind Impossible Germany?
Nut pinching, while absolutely from setup, is an intonation issue. When strings have friction on the nut, which for some reason has only happened to me on the already dubious Gibson-style headstock, the will not tune properly. If your G-string will lock up or skip wherever you actually want it and will only tune slightly sharp or flat, that is very much an intonation issue to me. Yeah, it can be fixed by dicking around with your guitar (or in most people's case, having to lube your nut a lot), but that doesn't excuse the fact that a lot of people have noticed this as systemic problem that seemingly only plagues guitars of this style.
Honestly, I'd like to chock it up to Nashville Gibson just having bad QC. I've never had this problem with an Eastman or an older Kalamazoo Gibson that has been taken care of well enough for its age.
Regardless, the Starcaster is nice.
Starcaster + amp v.s. literally any electric guitar with an EQ pedal, sustain pedal, amp emulator, etc...
I can get an an acoustic guitar simulation pedal and hook it up to a 9 string Schecter and play Django Reinhardt, or I could just play an archtop clean and play the same thing. I don't see a huge point in trying to say a single thing isn't as good as I'm making it out to be because it's equivalent to multiple things that add up to the same effect.
My rig used to be 335 and LP with a 5 piece pedal board into a huge modeling amp, but now I'm doing the same thing with just a Starcaster, a Fender Deville and a distortion pedal if necessary. The difference is a lot more noticeable when start gigging with a rig about 50 pounds lighter and 50 times less stuff for the same outcome.
I could say an HSS strat is versatile for most every sound a rock musician could want, but then you could also just say to bring a PC everywhere and hook up a single humbucker Epiphone everywhere and just have the sound system hooked up to amp emulation software, but that would just be ridiculous.
Noah Robinson
Who /telecaster/ here
Ayden Moore
Why did you /gg/uys leave me alone in here with Roman?
Josiah Wood
Jimmy's playing is shit-hot on this show. He was amazing before he got hooked on smack.
Nolan Foster
I'll pass.
Ian Hall
OK, the angled headstock puts downward pressure on a nut similar to a string through body design does a bridge. This increase in pressure can cause a string to bind in the nut easier, especially if you have a softer material nut or a slot cut incorrectly. I think you are speaking more about "tuning stability" than intonation which colloquially at least mean different things in this context. While I agree that the Gibson QC is spotty at best, this is an issue easily remedied that should not be considered a design flaw. The angled headstock prevents the need for string trees which can cause the same issue on a Fender style instrument. I've never played a Starcaster but it seems to be an ES-335 style guitar and I'd have to play them side by side. I'm partial to the looks of the Gibson and the set neck design...
probably he found s-gear 2 have a crack and is playing it.
Hudson Torres
Thanks. I'm aware of the loss of any tonal benefits the poly coat causes, I like nitro for the wear characteristics. I'm drawn more towards the MIM classics because I like the "semi reissue" features, like the pickups, tuners, truss rod adjustment location, etc. I'm aware the U.S. Highway 1s used would probably be better guitars. Glad to hear that you've heard good things about the classic series guitars, it'll be the only guitar I buy for a long time.
Robert Green
He's literally drooling all over himself at parts during this show. Goddamn, Bonzo was a fucking beast tho.
Ethan Gomez
fuck i want one
Isaac Clark
nice
Adrian Watson
nice set up
what music do you play
Parker Garcia
Off by one.
Anyway, in short, the big tonal differences between a Starcaster and a 335:
-Starcaster is immediately brighter (maple and all that) -It is easier to achieve "dead" or "muddy" jazz tone with a 335 because of the difference in pickup outputs and fretboard wood (though not impossible on Starcaster, you just really have to roll off that neck tone to a very specific area between 2 and 3) -Easier to achieve the piercing lead tone for rock and blues rock people desire on a starcaster -Lack of subtle noises when bending strings present in Gibson (plus or minus, who knows?) -Distorted or fuzzed starcasters will often fit better in a mix (more easily, at least) than a 335
And just how it feels
-Easier to play Starcaster for longer if you are a homosexual due to offset waist -Starcaster will feel "slower" to some people in that the neck is lacquered like a lot of Fenders, but faster in that it has the more ergonomic neck shape rather than blockier Gibsons,
Honestly, my dream guitar is an L5, so I'm a bit partially to Gibson aesthetics regardless of their engineering.
2 in the morning here, thank you for the insight! Good night, man.
Are you using humbuckers? Pic attack sounds kind of soft, only thing I would improve
Brayden Ramirez
Always practice/play with a metronome. The tone is pretty sweet.
Nicholas Wilson
Not him, but do you have any recommendations for a good metronome? Nothing on the computer or anything, I want one a can set on a table while I practice.
Gavin Diaz
is $185 too much for a basic ass floating pickup. I feel kind of dumb paying that much for a little bit of wire around a magnet...
Ryder Powell
sounds like piece of shit, can you counter bars?
Anthony Williams
What's a floating pickup?
Josiah Wood
Doesn't touch the top of the guitar, suspended either from the neck or the pickguard.
Jordan Cox
>counter bars huh?
Jace Phillips
Heh, I always use my PC.
Caleb Barnes
>is $185 too much for a basic ass floating pickup. I think it is, honestly, when EQ pedals exist.
