Why did the Roman Empire fall, and why did the Soviet Union collapse?

Why did the Roman Empire fall, and why did the Soviet Union collapse?

From what I've heard, it seems that the Roman Empire, specifically the Western Roman Empire, fell because of the lack of assimilation of the Germanic barbarians. The Germanic people over-through their Roman colonizers, destroying the empire.

Similarly, it seems that the Soviet Union collapsed because the Soviet states never truly unified. Individual nationalism among Ukrainians, for example, resulted in them feeling differentiated from the Russians which compelled them to form their own nation.

It seems that multiculturalism also led to the dissolution of Yugoslavia.

So, could this be the future of the USA? Mexicans, Whites, and Blacks have distinct cultures and racial tensions seem to be rising.

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rome fell because too many nonwhites were introduced

ussr fell because the state tried to silence the pricing mechanism with, statism

while america mostly stayed out of markets (not fdr though)

>Similarly, it seems that the Soviet Union collapsed because the Soviet states never truly unified. Individual nationalism among Ukrainians, for example, resulted in them feeling differentiated from the Russians which compelled them to form their own nation.


not at all. all those countries were in the russian empire, they had like 1 year of independence, of not less, between the independence granted by brest-litovsk and the red army conquering it back. actually, most ukrainians continue to speak russian today.

>ukrainians

no such thing

Same reason the British Empire Fell.

The same reason the EU will fall and Globalism will fail.

Humans cannot macro manage, yet we pretend we can. We are getting better though.

Until computers replace government I don't think we will see a sustainable empire.

Ayy

The Soviet Union was the Roman Empire of the modern age.

All empires fall, and new ones rise.

A glorified shit hole?

>Israel is black colored
what does it mean?

Romans just didnt see themselves as Romans any more, after the split each generation just forgot more about Rome.

Guessing its contested or not part of any of the others.

>it's a fanfiction history thread

The Jews are playing everyone else off each other to take the heat off them, so that they may lend money and invest freely across all three empires.

They had entire armies and generals (former warlords) who had never set foot in rome or even Italy. Hard to keep the roman ideology alive then, and why should they keep loyal to Rome?

Soviet union fell because communism did not work. Their country was shit.

the romans just wanted to bang each other all day long so they forgot how to run an empire

This is the most surreal think I've seen this year.
Why is there a webm of this?

...

Rome fell because the center of power could no longer hold it togather, first came the east/west split and then the two parts fell separately. Most people living under rome never saw themselves as Romans first because nationalism wasn't a thing.

The USSR fell because some of it's states were full of nationalistic people that desired to split off. The decline of USSR is unrelated to that, that came because of long term mismanagement that continues to this day.

by the time this all happens 99% of Israelis are Hasidim and nobody wants them.

>Until computers replace government
Will literally never happen

What are the current Poland-Ukraine relations?

(W) Rome did not fell solely based on one reason.

It's true that Rome got filled up with migrators from the north (mostly German). Those migrators came during a period of time in which Rome lost a lot of "cashflow"(This was due the fact Rome wasn't expanding and conquering anymore). Now if they would have been able to become farmers there would not have been such a problem yet when that "mini-ice age" set in. Agriculturale production fell enormously. Because of the shift in the global climate more and more migrators went south into Rome because they were freezing their balls off.

So you have a large amount of poor migrants which have no money or food and thus became disatisfied. Rome itself was filled with riches from the past and we all know how these sort of things end.

> uncontrolled migration is the worst thing you can do in an established Empire
> Rome was a succesfull multicultural empire and Christianity was their attempt to unify their whole empire for more control
> No empire will ever come close to Rome
just a funny side not
> Byzantine Empire (EAST-Rome) survived because it didn't had REFUGEES

mini ice age was much later than the romans mate

There was a climate change during the 400's which cooled down the earth's temperatures, I just called a mini ice age because I was too lazy but yes you're right aussie

>Will literally never happen

>fall of rome
>germans
>wwi
>germans
>wwii
>germans
>fall of eu
>germans
i'm seeing a pattern here.

I agree, germans should have Germany, romans have Rome.

>over-through
americans...

>Soviet Union collapsed because the Soviet states never truly unified
>multiculturalism also led to the dissolution of Yugoslavia
Did you actually graduate high school?

>Implying a high school graduate in the US knows anything about something other than shooting their classmates.

>Why did the Roman Empire fall
western roman empire decided to substitute its army with germanic auxillaries and then rome ran out of money so the same auxilleries decided to fuck off back to their old tribal identities and take over rome.

>why did the Soviet Union collapse?
unsurprisingly, communism is really shit. the USSR constantly had trouble feeding itself, the soviet union and its satellite states constantly had a problem of people defecting to less shitty areas (it was particularly bad with officials that got see western countries), and the soviet union simply couldn't maintain its military hegemony after their blunder in afghanistan.

blog.chron.com/thetexican/2014/04/when-boris-yeltsin-went-grocery-shopping-in-clear-lake/
also, this right here was the death knell for the USSR
>Boris Yeltsin visits a Randalls in Houston
>thinks its a store for the super rich
>had it explained to him that pretty everyone shops in Randalls
>sees all the food on display, marvels at frozen pudding pops
>thinks about all the people of the USSR that have to wait in lines to get food
>thinks about how not even Gorbachev gets a selection of food this good
>faith in communism forever destroyed

>Why did the Roman Empire fall

The major contributors:

1. A Decline of a functioning meritocracy and high levels of corruption in the Government
2. The failure to assimilate people into Rome - Admission of Germanic tribes into the Roman Empire, and especially into the Roman military as mercenaries eventually eroded any loyalty people had to Rome and the ideals it was founded on
3. The general decline of Roman Culture with both the rise of Christianity and Hedonism
4. Civil wars during the third century which began a terminal decline


Plagues and Famines also contributed just as they have in many collapses, although these usually act as catalysts which expose underlying problems.

You are dumb american, user.
USSR collapsed because the old gommies died and their kids wanted to live like western super richfags. It was a top-down revolution.

As for the romans. I suspect jews. They started rotting after conquering that vile tribe after all...

>It seems that multiculturalism also led to the dissolution of Yugoslavia.
Yugoslavia collapsed largely for the same reasons the USSR collapsed. communism sucks and they were trying to unite peoples that never really liked each other.

agricultural production in the late western roman empire didn't fall because of an ice-age. it declined because the roman empire heavily taxed farmers so they could pay for the armies.

this obviously created even more problems.

Krauts
they ruin everything

Well holy shit isn't this accurate.

>rome fell because too many nonwhites were introduced
Yeah German migrants fucked the Roman Empire with their constant chimping out "gimme dat land since I am a loyal German auxiliary who never asks for anything."

Pay denbts

Communism is retarded that's why

Islamic Empire + colonies in England.
There fixed that for you.

ruining Greece anno 2016

Greece never repay your denbts, keep your money and buy gold with it.. oh wait Varoufakis already did this.


Just make sure Piraeus Bank and the NBG make some profit again

their decline started well before the 400s. but the cooling did exacerbate the agricultural problems they were having.

the empires response to increasing military needs and decreasing crop yields was to tax farmers to the point where they could no longer feed themselves or their families.

the problem was less natural events causing reduced crop yields and more structural issues within the empire that ultimately created too many problems for the empire to solve.

many of these same issues were present in the eastern empire but the rapid expansion of Islam forced to radically reform in the hopes of survival.

"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan

Liberalization killed the Soviets.

yeah it's clearly visible, any german care to explain this?

>National greatness averages 500 years
Does it though? Rome dominated European politics from about 100 B.C. to around 400 A.D. which spans 500 years, France dominated continental European politics from the 1500s to the mid 1800s, the Ottoman Empire was a respectable power in Europe for approximately 500 years, the Frankish Empire lasted for about 400 years until it was broken up by politics rather than any sort of societal decline, and the Austrian Empire first rose to prominence in the 1500s and didn't fully collapse until 1918. On the other hand the German Empire didn't even last 50 years, the Seljuk Empire barely lasted a hundred years, the USSR is a much more recent example of a short-lived state, and the Swedish Empire had about a century in the sun before it was raped to death by Russians.

There is no definitive pattern to the collapse of empires because each empire is different and the reasons they collapse are different. The Roman Empire collapsed to generations of political apathy, mass migrated, and the abandonment of ideals that existed to ensure the stability of the empire combined with frequent wars and civil strife, the German Empire on the other hand collapsed from military defeats and mass civil disobedience caused by the British blockade and the continuation of a doomed conflict, the Frankish Empire didn't even collapse but was actively divided up upon the death of its last ruler into multiple successor states one of which would become France which itself would dominate European politics for centuries.

>Asian Empire + colonies

Hey fuck off

fixed your gay map

How extraordinarily depressing

In the case of Rome, it was partly due to increased climatic variability which drove huge amounts of migration to more favourable climates

Da fuq I hate statisticians now!!?!?

The politics of the collapse are fairly well understood. You think Atilla came down out of germany because his people demanded Mediterranean vacations?

>the politics of collapse are fairly well understood
So you don't think that climatic factors can influence political decisions and human migration?
Here's a link if you're interested in reading the paper.
science.sciencemag.org/content/331/6017/578
Unless you want to pay for it, you'll need an open access pass from university to read it, which being American you probably don't have

The roman empire never fell, Europe is the modern rome, when it's fully united it will confirm the biblical prophecy of the roman empire rising again, I for one can't wait to sign up
>tfw you get to become a centurion

What's the significance of this webm? I've seen it posted many times in the past year or two.

>he thinks everyone is college-aged

give us an upload or we'll have the first blackhawk landing on the roof of your tin shack for violation of copyright laws faster than you can ask for a ciggie cunt.

Mfw my univesity login still works from 3 years ago.
I'm out of the house away from my computer now sorry m8. Just pay for it you poor cunt. Or use google and search the thousands of other websites discussing the same thing