From all the memes you could'ev used itt, you went with that one?
Nathan Lopez
It ain't a meme. The first part of the movie is nothing like the other, and I still don't know why. It's like two separate films.
Landon Young
How can one drill sergeant perfect the art of bantering so much?
Kayden Davis
>I prefer the 'Nam section pleb
Luke Jenkins
Why do you think that?
Hatred towards socialism does wonders.
Eli Wright
After thinking it over for a long time - and I know I'll be vilified for this - but Full Metal Jacket might be my favourite Kubrick film. Eyes Wide Shut and A Clockwork Orange are the other contenders.
My favorite is Eyes Wide Shut, but FMJ really grew on me. The more I think about it, the better it gets. Damn, I really need to rewatch it during the weekend..
Gavin Green
>Joker's character progression was probably my favorite part of the film
His progression is literally the main theme of the film.
>bootcamp >Joker doesnt take is seriously and always gets in trouble >as a writer/journalist >Joker doesnt take it seriously and always gets in trouble >as a correspondent >Joker starts seeing graves and the death of fighting GIs >as a soldier >Joker sees his best pal from bootcamp die >they all surround the sniper >all of the hard boys dont have the balls to mercy kill the girl >Joker steps up and shoots her >with that Joker has transformed from a clown to a real soldier
FMJ is Kubrick-core.
Jordan Ortiz
>The first part of the movie is nothing like the other What the fuck?
Thomas Rivera
Everyone has their own favorite Kubrick movie and no option is wrong because most of his work is divine
Jacob Ward
But, why isn't your favorite the same as mine? REEEEEEEEE.
Jordan Carter
>>they all surround the sniper >>all of the hard boys dont have the balls to mercy kill the girl >>Joker steps up and shoots her funny side detail: remember the giant machete animal mother carries around ?
he was supposed to cut off the sniper's head and carry it around
but that didn't make it into the final cut
Anthony Richardson
>his best pal from bootcamp die Really? I must have missed that part
Adam Long
But Kubrick changed his mind, because it seemed to add unnecessary violence to a film that could use less.
Ethan Garcia
as someone who has never really understood EWS, can you explain? is it just about trust and relationships or is there a larger social class/illuminati theme?
Hunter Moore
Cowboy?
Blake Hall
No I mean him dying
Aiden Ortiz
Not to mention that there is no purpose in having animal mother kill her.
Joker's transformation is the key to his story.
Private Pyle was the key to the transformation of the unit from a bunch of kids, to a company of soldiers.
In order for them to graduate, they needed to get rid of their outcast/weakest link AND their "father".
Its very symbolic.
Lucas Rogers
hes the replacement squad leader who gets sniped while radioing and nobody listens to when he tells to cease fire. hard to miss desu. my problem with characters in war movies is theyre always just buzz-cut white guys and big angry negros so i always have trouble telling characters apart unless i really know the movie
Colton Jenkins
>no boom boom with soul brotha
Jackson Foster
Eyes Wide Shut is a film with that "more than meets the eye" feature to it. Try rewatching it, but even that won't guarante that you'll comprehend all of it, since it seemes like a very complex film. The only help that I could provide you with is that you read the book the movie was based upon.
I agree, the moment he killed that gook was the moment his character transformed, in comparison to his boot camp version where he started to change, but it wasn't that noticeable.
Matthew Allen
Have any of you seen The Boys in Company C? Almost bit by bit Full Metal Jacket. It even has R. Lee Ermey playing a drill sergeant.
Juan Perry
>The Boys in Company C I'll add it to my list. I've seen the movie where Clint is the drill instructor, though it's quite different in tone.
Josiah Ortiz
>not realizing half the scenes in rubric movies are dream sequences.
kek. fucking plebs. nobody beat up private pyle and he never killed himself. they were joker's dreams. Pyle's character is played later by adam baldwin.
Elijah Hernandez
Reminder that FMJ is a film about emasculation. So OP is a literal cuck.
Cameron Clark
>emasculation How did you get to that assumption? One of the major FMJ's themes is how boot camp can't prepare you for the Hell you'll enter.
Ian Carter
>The first part of the movie is nothing like the other, and I still don't know why. if you're really interested in exploring this, i suggest reading up on Jung and Freudian psychology. especially, archetypes, the shadow, anima/animus, and the duality of man. fyi, what Joker rambles on about. it's all connected that way. there's even some J.Campbell's hero's journey in there. like all of Kubrick's films, there are layers beyond the superficial.
Noah Robinson
>FMJ is a film about emasculation only an imbecile would come to that conclusion.
Ayden Robinson
Did you pull that one from your ass or did you read the book?
James Martinez
It's far away from being FMJ but some similarities are too strong.
Ayden Nelson
>this is my rifle, this is my gun >Joker's gun fails to fire >his squad is almost destroyed by a woman
Angel Ross
>It ain't a meme
IT AIN'T MEME IT AIN'T MEME I'M NO FOURCHANNER'S SON
Brandon Nguyen
I disagree.
Imo FMJ is about how war and the military needs to rid you of all personal thought and individuality in order to make you a "good" (useful) soldier.
Essentially you need to lose your soul and personality to become a killing machine who follows orders.
You can observe this in the transformation of Joker. At the end he isnt even joking, thereby losing his own name (literally) aka identity and becoming a soldier.
John Foster
"his" gun was an M14
the Vietnam issue gun is an M16
Dylan Davis
one of the interesting parts of the movie is when hartman tells them that when they mess up in actual combat, they will be in a world of shit. ("world of shit" referring to Hell, which in some mythos is a layer of hell.) This could be interpreted as the pain they will be in if they get shot, but it could just as easily be interpreted that they will go to hell if they die. also many of the later parts of the movie resemble a hell-scape. joker admits that he is already in a world of shit at the end. i guess whats being communicated is that hell is inescapable when you go to 'nam.
Noah Jones
Are you fucking stupid?
Grayson Scott
>kubrick >read the book
Jason Hall
yes and ? those are M14s
the moment he seet foot in Vietnam he was issued an M16
Thomas Long
Sounds solid.
Just because Joker can't kill another human, that happens to be a girl because of his own belifes, doesn't mean it's "LE EMASCULATION XDDD"
>i guess whats being communicated is that hell is inescapable when you go to 'nam. Hell is inescapable when you enter a war, be it 'Nam, WW 1 etc.
What? Are you implying that there is no need to read it, because Kubrick shows everything visually or am I not getting the joke?
Angel Wood
The point, you massive tard, is that the film explicitly equates the rifle/gun/pointyshootything with the phallus. What does it say about Joker when his "gun" jams while pointing at a woman?
Lincoln Richardson
sure it does big guy
i bet you are a hit with the ladies
Jordan Gray
>What? Are you implying that there is no need to read it, because Kubrick shows everything visually or am I not getting the joke?
its because kubrick had a tendency to deviate from source material.
Evan Mitchell
Since I haven't read the book, I asked him if that was just pure bullshit he spouted or if it was in the books. I know that Kubrick deviates from the source material, but it's core is always there.
His gun didn't jam, he was hesitant.
Camden Evans
You are projecting.
Wyatt Roberts
My favourite must be 2001. I watched it on acid, and it was like a religious experience, 10/10 would do it again.
Austin Williams
11/10 cinematography.
Ryder Richardson
you can clearly hear the loud as fuck click the hammer does when no round is chambered
Kevin Morales
>His gun didn't jam, he was hesitant. Watch the movie again, idiot.
Josiah Johnson
Was that when she turned and started shooting at him? If so, my bad.
Blake Gutierrez
>if that was just pure bullshit
watch the movie with it in mind, and see if it makes sense
Landon Martin
Can you name specific signs that it's his dream? I find it hard to belive that Animal Mother didn't recognize Joker, his squad leader.
Do we really need another full metal jacket thread. Grow the fuck up. This thread is now about Hurt Locker. Your thoughts?
Gabriel Johnson
Choke yourself please.
Lincoln Lewis
>This thread is now about Hurt Locker No it's not, and you can fuck off. There's always an option to create your own thread, fucker.
Henry Flores
How the fuck did they get baited so hard by the gook
Cooper Cook
What?
Robert Richardson
Remember at the end when they run into the open one by one just to get picked off painfully by the sniper?
Hudson Harris
Ok how about we share this thread? You can have your hourly FMJ rerun while the rest of us talk about the Iraqkino.
Aiden Lee
Oh, you're talking about that segment. I assume it's because they wanted to save their squadmember, even if it was just a bait. Emotions fuck with logic, I guess.
Or, you know, fuck off and make your Hurt Locker thread and discuss it there, moron. This is FMJ discussion thread, NOT Hurt Locker discussion thread.
Gavin Butler
um, what is it you disagree with exactly? your summary of the film and explanation fits into the Jungian individuation theory. however, a psychological/psychoanalytical perspective is not the only one by which view the film. what you said was true. Jung, Freud, and Campbell simply add more perspectives and depth to an analysis of the film.
Brayden Ramirez
>thinking soldiers are just heartless machines
You have never met any soldiers or served have you?
Gavin Hughes
He probably meant it war wise, not as an overall person.
Brandon Gonzalez
The entire point of FML was how Joker had to man up to save himself and his squad mates. This is Jokers story not every damn soldier in the army
Jacob Carter
Doesnt mean he became dehumanized
Hudson Russell
It's greatly exaggerated of course, it's not supposed to be documentary.
Alexander Garcia
While Joker was in the center of it all, it wasn't purely about him.
Aiden Harris
literally the point of boot camp is to dehumanize soliders
Henry Morgan
True, guess im just been pedantic
Lol no it isnt
Matthew Long
False. The point of the boot camp is to strip them down to their "bare bones", and to reconstruct them. This doesn't mean dehumanize by default.
Easton Cruz
the army wants killing machines, tools of the state, obedient attacks dogs
Julian Stewart
You have no clue what you're talking about, now do you?
Easton Green
i served in vietnam. boot camp made me mentally retarded for 5 years.
Ayden Jones
Doubt it.
Lucas Gonzalez
>yfw when Hacksaw Ridge had a second rate ripoff bootcamp sequence Made me mad and want to watch FMJ again
Jonathan Bennett
Why do you think there's hack in the title?
Hudson White
Basic didnt fuck me up, if anything i have a better moral code now cus of CDRILS...im even vegan now, so im hardly a robot
Ian Gomez
That's strange, seeing how FMJ is probably Kubrick's most accessible movie.
Ethan Miller
>basic didn't fuck me up >i'm vegan now
Kevin Diaz
Barry Lyndon, Orange, Eyes Wide Shut and 2001 are objectively better films, but that's not to say that FMJ isn't a damn good one.
Leo Morales
>boot camp made me mentally retarded for 5 years.
Much more than 5 years it seems
Noah Johnson
If you want to survive a war like Vietnam, you have to be a heartless machine.
Thats the evolution of a soldier.
Shooting ragheads with predators isnt really what I meant.
Cooper Scott
what an awesome movie.
John Ortiz
It certainly is.
Noah Hughes
>Are you John Wayne? Is this me?
Benjamin Hall
Agree on both accounts, and probably would include Dr. Strangelove and Paths of Glory. Accessible isn't bad, just the easiest to enjoy on first viewing.
David Howard
Can we have daily Kubrick kino threads? They're the best parts of Sup Forums.
Dylan Rivera
As long as it doesn't turn into Sup Forums shitposting about hist death, I'm in.
Anthony Kelly
It was entirely average, like a lot of Kubrick's work. Visionary, but average. In terms of Vietnam war movies, it is far outshined by such things like Platoon or Apocalypse Now, which not only explore the themes of FMJ, but add their own to the mix. For a more contemporary example, Hacksaw Ridge, which imitates the training camp scene in FMJ, but makes it funnier and less vulgar. Unrelated, but I found the lack of fucks every other sentence to be refreshing,: makes when vulgarity is used that you really notice it, as well as not drawing attention away from violence.
FMJ is a visionary film from a genius director and is well worth seeing, if only to understand references to it. However, it cannot stand with the giants of its genre and is ultimately a film that cannot sustain it's own weight. 4/5
Dylan Taylor
>compared to [the greatest film ever made], FMJ isn't that good No shit compadre.
Connor Garcia
M I C, K E Y, M O U S E!
Julian Miller
Forever, and ever, se will march, march, march!
Brandon Brown
>character is LITERALLY stating what round the rifle fires in this fucking shot >retard still calls the file "Full-Metal-Jacket-SHOTGUN"
Dominic Martinez
They counter his full metal jacket with a shotgun to the chest.
Mason Hernandez
what fucking shit are you talking about
Benjamin Wood
Can't you see the shotgun bullets he's loading into the clip? Are you stupid?