Full Metal Jacket

This film really grew on me.

Even though I liked the boot camp section of the film, I prefer the 'Nam section.

Joker's character progression was probably my favorite part of the film, and the ending Mickey Mouse shot was great, even though Kubrick had better.

War being Hell and soldiers doing whatever they need in order to get out alive was well executed,

Even though it's one of the Kubrick's weakest film, it's still quite good since it's made by Kubrick.

TL;DR - A good film that I learned to appreciate.

Want to discuss it, Sup Forums?

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Jesus Christ, really?

From all the memes you could'ev used itt, you went with that one?

It ain't a meme. The first part of the movie is nothing like the other, and I still don't know why. It's like two separate films.

How can one drill sergeant perfect the art of bantering so much?

>I prefer the 'Nam section
pleb

Why do you think that?

Hatred towards socialism does wonders.

After thinking it over for a long time - and I know I'll be vilified for this - but Full Metal Jacket might be my favourite Kubrick film. Eyes Wide Shut and A Clockwork Orange are the other contenders.

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My favorite is Eyes Wide Shut, but FMJ really grew on me. The more I think about it, the better it gets. Damn, I really need to rewatch it during the weekend..

>Joker's character progression was probably my favorite part of the film

His progression is literally the main theme of the film.

>bootcamp
>Joker doesnt take is seriously and always gets in trouble
>as a writer/journalist
>Joker doesnt take it seriously and always gets in trouble
>as a correspondent
>Joker starts seeing graves and the death of fighting GIs
>as a soldier
>Joker sees his best pal from bootcamp die
>they all surround the sniper
>all of the hard boys dont have the balls to mercy kill the girl
>Joker steps up and shoots her
>with that Joker has transformed from a clown to a real soldier

FMJ is Kubrick-core.

>The first part of the movie is nothing like the other
What the fuck?

Everyone has their own favorite Kubrick movie and no option is wrong because most of his work is divine

But, why isn't your favorite the same as mine? REEEEEEEEE.

>>they all surround the sniper
>>all of the hard boys dont have the balls to mercy kill the girl
>>Joker steps up and shoots her
funny side detail: remember the giant machete animal mother carries around ?

he was supposed to cut off the sniper's head and carry it around

but that didn't make it into the final cut

>his best pal from bootcamp die
Really? I must have missed that part

But Kubrick changed his mind, because it seemed to add unnecessary violence to a film that could use less.

as someone who has never really understood EWS, can you explain? is it just about trust and relationships or is there a larger social class/illuminati theme?

Cowboy?

No I mean him dying

Not to mention that there is no purpose in having animal mother kill her.

Joker's transformation is the key to his story.

Private Pyle was the key to the transformation of the unit from a bunch of kids, to a company of soldiers.

In order for them to graduate, they needed to get rid of their outcast/weakest link AND their "father".

Its very symbolic.

hes the replacement squad leader who gets sniped while radioing and nobody listens to when he tells to cease fire. hard to miss desu. my problem with characters in war movies is theyre always just buzz-cut white guys and big angry negros so i always have trouble telling characters apart unless i really know the movie

>no boom boom with soul brotha

Eyes Wide Shut is a film with that "more than meets the eye" feature to it. Try rewatching it, but even that won't guarante that you'll comprehend all of it, since it seemes like a very complex film. The only help that I could provide you with is that you read the book the movie was based upon.

I agree, the moment he killed that gook was the moment his character transformed, in comparison to his boot camp version where he started to change, but it wasn't that noticeable.

Have any of you seen The Boys in Company C?
Almost bit by bit Full Metal Jacket.
It even has R. Lee Ermey playing a drill sergeant.

>The Boys in Company C
I'll add it to my list. I've seen the movie where Clint is the drill instructor, though it's quite different in tone.

>not realizing half the scenes in rubric movies are dream sequences.

kek. fucking plebs. nobody beat up private pyle and he never killed himself. they were joker's dreams. Pyle's character is played later by adam baldwin.

Reminder that FMJ is a film about emasculation. So OP is a literal cuck.

>emasculation
How did you get to that assumption? One of the major FMJ's themes is how boot camp can't prepare you for the Hell you'll enter.

>The first part of the movie is nothing like the other, and I still don't know why.
if you're really interested in exploring this, i suggest reading up on Jung and Freudian psychology. especially, archetypes, the shadow, anima/animus, and the duality of man. fyi, what Joker rambles on about. it's all connected that way. there's even some J.Campbell's hero's journey in there. like all of Kubrick's films, there are layers beyond the superficial.

>FMJ is a film about emasculation
only an imbecile would come to that conclusion.

Did you pull that one from your ass or did you read the book?

It's far away from being FMJ but some similarities are too strong.

>this is my rifle, this is my gun
>Joker's gun fails to fire
>his squad is almost destroyed by a woman

>It ain't a meme

IT AIN'T MEME IT AIN'T MEME I'M NO FOURCHANNER'S SON

I disagree.

Imo FMJ is about how war and the military needs to rid you of all personal thought and individuality in order to make you a "good" (useful) soldier.

Essentially you need to lose your soul and personality to become a killing machine who follows orders.

You can observe this in the transformation of Joker. At the end he isnt even joking, thereby losing his own name (literally) aka identity and becoming a soldier.

"his" gun was an M14

the Vietnam issue gun is an M16

one of the interesting parts of the movie is when hartman tells them that when they mess up in actual combat, they will be in a world of shit. ("world of shit" referring to Hell, which in some mythos is a layer of hell.) This could be interpreted as the pain they will be in if they get shot, but it could just as easily be interpreted that they will go to hell if they die. also many of the later parts of the movie resemble a hell-scape. joker admits that he is already in a world of shit at the end. i guess whats being communicated is that hell is inescapable when you go to 'nam.

Are you fucking stupid?

>kubrick
>read the book

yes and ?
those are M14s

the moment he seet foot in Vietnam he was issued an M16

Sounds solid.

Just because Joker can't kill another human, that happens to be a girl because of his own belifes, doesn't mean it's "LE EMASCULATION XDDD"

>i guess whats being communicated is that hell is inescapable when you go to 'nam.
Hell is inescapable when you enter a war, be it 'Nam, WW 1 etc.

What? Are you implying that there is no need to read it, because Kubrick shows everything visually or am I not getting the joke?

The point, you massive tard, is that the film explicitly equates the rifle/gun/pointyshootything with the phallus. What does it say about Joker when his "gun" jams while pointing at a woman?

sure it does big guy

i bet you are a hit with the ladies

>What? Are you implying that there is no need to read it, because Kubrick shows everything visually or am I not getting the joke?

its because kubrick had a tendency to deviate from source material.

Since I haven't read the book, I asked him if that was just pure bullshit he spouted or if it was in the books. I know that Kubrick deviates from the source material, but it's core is always there.

His gun didn't jam, he was hesitant.

You are projecting.

My favourite must be 2001.
I watched it on acid, and it was like a religious experience, 10/10 would do it again.

11/10 cinematography.

you can clearly hear the loud as fuck click the hammer does when no round is chambered

>His gun didn't jam, he was hesitant.
Watch the movie again, idiot.

Was that when she turned and started shooting at him? If so, my bad.

>if that was just pure bullshit

watch the movie with it in mind, and see if it makes sense

Can you name specific signs that it's his dream? I find it hard to belive that Animal Mother didn't recognize Joker, his squad leader.

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@ 03:15

he was going to shoot her in the back

former squad leader*

Do we really need another full metal jacket thread. Grow the fuck up. This thread is now about Hurt Locker. Your thoughts?

Choke yourself please.

>This thread is now about Hurt Locker
No it's not, and you can fuck off. There's always an option to create your own thread, fucker.

How the fuck did they get baited so hard by the gook

What?

Remember at the end when they run into the open one by one just to get picked off painfully by the sniper?

Ok how about we share this thread? You can have your hourly FMJ rerun while the rest of us talk about the Iraqkino.

Oh, you're talking about that segment. I assume it's because they wanted to save their squadmember, even if it was just a bait. Emotions fuck with logic, I guess.

Or, you know, fuck off and make your Hurt Locker thread and discuss it there, moron. This is FMJ discussion thread, NOT Hurt Locker discussion thread.

um, what is it you disagree with exactly? your summary of the film and explanation fits into the Jungian individuation theory. however, a psychological/psychoanalytical perspective is not the only one by which view the film. what you said was true. Jung, Freud, and Campbell simply add more perspectives and depth to an analysis of the film.

>thinking soldiers are just heartless machines

You have never met any soldiers or served have you?

He probably meant it war wise, not as an overall person.

The entire point of FML was how Joker had to man up to save himself and his squad mates. This is Jokers story not every damn soldier in the army

Doesnt mean he became dehumanized

It's greatly exaggerated of course, it's not supposed to be documentary.

While Joker was in the center of it all, it wasn't purely about him.

literally the point of boot camp is to dehumanize soliders

True, guess im just been pedantic

Lol no it isnt

False. The point of the boot camp is to strip them down to their "bare bones", and to reconstruct them. This doesn't mean dehumanize by default.

the army wants killing machines, tools of the state, obedient attacks dogs

You have no clue what you're talking about, now do you?

i served in vietnam. boot camp made me mentally retarded for 5 years.

Doubt it.

>yfw when Hacksaw Ridge had a second rate ripoff bootcamp sequence
Made me mad and want to watch FMJ again

Why do you think there's hack in the title?

Basic didnt fuck me up, if anything i have a better moral code now cus of CDRILS...im even vegan now, so im hardly a robot

That's strange, seeing how FMJ is probably Kubrick's most accessible movie.

>basic didn't fuck me up
>i'm vegan now

Barry Lyndon, Orange, Eyes Wide Shut and 2001 are objectively better films, but that's not to say that FMJ isn't a damn good one.

>boot camp made me mentally retarded for 5 years.

Much more than 5 years it seems

If you want to survive a war like Vietnam, you have to be a heartless machine.

Thats the evolution of a soldier.

Shooting ragheads with predators isnt really what I meant.

what an awesome movie.

It certainly is.

>Are you John Wayne? Is this me?

Agree on both accounts, and probably would include Dr. Strangelove and Paths of Glory. Accessible isn't bad, just the easiest to enjoy on first viewing.

Can we have daily Kubrick kino threads? They're the best parts of Sup Forums.

As long as it doesn't turn into Sup Forums shitposting about hist death, I'm in.

It was entirely average, like a lot of Kubrick's work. Visionary, but average. In terms of Vietnam war movies, it is far outshined by such things like Platoon or Apocalypse Now, which not only explore the themes of FMJ, but add their own to the mix.
For a more contemporary example, Hacksaw Ridge, which imitates the training camp scene in FMJ, but makes it funnier and less vulgar. Unrelated, but I found the lack of fucks every other sentence to be refreshing,: makes when vulgarity is used that you really notice it, as well as not drawing attention away from violence.

FMJ is a visionary film from a genius director and is well worth seeing, if only to understand references to it. However, it cannot stand with the giants of its genre and is ultimately a film that cannot sustain it's own weight.
4/5

>compared to [the greatest film ever made], FMJ isn't that good
No shit compadre.

M I C, K E Y, M O U S E!

Forever, and ever, se will march, march, march!

>character is LITERALLY stating what round the rifle fires in this fucking shot
>retard still calls the file "Full-Metal-Jacket-SHOTGUN"

They counter his full metal jacket with a shotgun to the chest.

what fucking shit are you talking about

Can't you see the shotgun bullets he's loading into the clip?
Are you stupid?