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Films women will never be able to understand

>le american war propaganda movie
complete garbage

What does that have to do with anything?

>not being american
I'm sorry

>inflicting suffering on myself and others around me is worth it if I cry while I die and a flag waves behind me

The fuck do you mean understand?

Understand the basic theme?
Empathize with every event taking place?
Comprehending the specific choices of the director regarding lighting and set design in every single scene alongside the personal effort put forward by each and every performance?

Pretty sure anyone who didn't actually experience it fails to really understand it.

But enjoy your armchair warrior delusions.

>Understand the basic theme?

No

>Empathize with every event taking place?

No

>Comprehending the specific choices of the director regarding lighting and set design in every single scene alongside the personal effort put forward by each and every performance?

No

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There's no movie titled "I'm a really nice guy under this fedora" OP

>I dont wanna die, I dont wanna die

>tfw people always remember his or mellish deaths
>nobody remembers Caparzo, bleeding out in the rain in front of his squad on a street, asking them to get his death letter to his parents

Men get war, even female soldiers dont really get it.

>the late 90s, when Edward Burns was more famous than Matt Damon

t. both a man and a woman somehow, having served as both

How goes that trenchfoot and shellshock my fellow understander of war-gendered person?

It's called gout and Internet butthurt

I find the very concept of a single lad getting a free ticket out because his poor wittle sibwings caught bullet poisoning extremely offensive.

I don't generalize and think ALL females are incapable of proper comprehension of certain masculine cults; like military service. But the premise of this film serves that cuckfest of feminine bullshit that some women(and men) do throw over the whole mess.

The film is designed so that women can easily understand it.

ITT: virgins

They understand, they just dont care.

Female detected

You weren't at all paying attention to the movie if you don't see that the movie itself was questioning the merit of the rescue mission.

SPR is nowhere near the unabashed celebration of patriotism it appears to be on the surface. It's actually 2+ hours of moral grey and knows it.

Oh you got that part of the post huh? Very nice.
The other half was referencing the change of warfare.
Soldiers today don't have to deal with shit soldiers had to deal with previously, so from that perspective even soldiers today don't understand war of the past.

Women certainly function differently, maybe they understand it the same and maybe the don't. I and no other man will really be able to tell.

The worst part of the post I'm replying to is the 'men get war' comment. If it had instead been 'men are capable of understanding war' then I'd have not bitched. But 'men get war' reeks of underage children playing cawwa doody and posting on /k/ and joining ISIS and so on.

>ITT: virgins

Women are so quick to throw that around as an insult. As if "not fucking one of you" instantly invalidates any opinion a man might have. It's an incredibly lazy insult, but it's telling how much power women place on sex. It's literally everything to them.

Yes, the proper elements are in place to not celebrate the executive decision of returning the soldier home. I'm not blind. But it deserves no further credit for acknowledging that the mission's premise be questioned by the rescuers and the rescuee. That is a baseline requirement of the premise. The film would be a joke if it was excluded. So it is simply not a joke.
It still maintains a feathery attitude with the closing scene. Old Ryan can be ultimately thankful but should be incapable of properly accepting their sacrifice on his behalf. That he is reassured by another non-combatant reinforces that aspect.

Good choice desu

Why are you still a virgin though?

Why are you?

no bf :(

I seriously doubt any actual women are posting here.
Virgin is a very lazy insult but it's a sensible one as well.
Insults don't cut at all if they've no purchase on reality. You can call somebody a moron for no reason and they'll just think you're some passing rude twat. If they call you a moron after you say or perform a certain act then there is at least that questioning of self happening inside your head.
Calling a virgin a virgin will do just the same.
Any club of binary exclusivity will always easily disturb those forbidden from it.
They do understand the position you're presenting but if they're truly a virgin they can't be 100% sure of what they're missing out on.
So it always works.
So it always passes the test for applicable insult.

>I seriously doubt any actual women are posting here.

You are naive

To some degree yes. I hardly care for the genital status of everyone else in a thread with me. The post I was replying to seemed to be basing their statement off empirical evidence though. Which is a tad more naive than my serious doubt.

I cried the most at this death. So sad

I disagree if you're saying that you feel the film ultimately leans in favor of the mission being worthwhile.

Simply put, there is neither a firm "yes, this is worth it" nor a "no, this is a ridiculous and wasteful moralistic PR stunt" statement to be offered by the film. It remains up in the air until the very end, as it should be.

Do some of the men seem to make peace with the mission/their fate? Yes, but that's about all you can really say. The closest we get to anything even resembling some sort of "WHAT AN HONOR IT IS TO RISK MY LIFE FOR RYAN!" is a kind of "hey, at least we'd be doing some real good in this entirely fucked situation. what the hell...why not?!"

Even Ryan is tormented by guilt as to whether or not their sacrifice was worthwhile. You can't really ask the film to say the mission was entirely misguided. If that were the case, why make the movie?

is this the only movie where vin diesel dies?

That's right, just make the same retarded threads every night, just like you probably go on the same websites, eat the same meals, and fap to the same porn videos.

Back to Tumblr for you

Watched this with my girlfriend, I glanced over and saw her drooling, yes, drooling. I then grabbed her by the pussy

TL;DR, most of the film approaches the batshit premise through an appropriate moral lens, but the final scene shatters that lens.

I'm saying that the closing of the film leans too much in that direction.
Overall it does remain morally grey, but it has no choice in that matter. You couldn't write it any other way and expect anyone to believe it.

You could make the film quite similar and maintain the primary themes but end less obnoxiously. Maybe present Ryan dying, or Ryan surviving, but either way the timeskip was obnoxious.
The ending presents only the simple message of
>never forgetti what our veterans fought for
Which is bullshit considering that these veterans fought for a single vip, which runs contrary to the basic premise of military service: That some sacrifice that more may survive, rather than vice-versa.

Come with me my dude, I don't want to be alone.

Nah man (female), it seems more your speed.

I think you're way too hung up on the ending. 90 seconds of MAYBE sentimental bullshit does not entirely negate two hours of arguably the most realistic and visceral depiction of ground warfare ever put on film imo.

I just care more about what the movie has to say about combat itself than it's message about the duty of a soldier I guess.

You are actually right, OP

The female ratings are more accurate. SPR is good but overrated.

I'm not arguing that it's not a great film, I'm expressing my misgivings towards how the ending closes off the premise, and that the premise disproves OP's bait statement.

I appreciate the depiction of ww2 combat from a soldier's perspective, but I can only respect it.
As I haven't gone through it, it can't change me. Empathy can't get me close enough.
The only thing I can attach myself to in the film is judging what happened after it happened. So the ending is where most of the resonance for me is. And it doesn't respect the events of the rest of the film.

Rice farming is more to the speed of the slants, but that don't stop their parents pushing them through tertiary education for their own good.

>tl;dr
>writes an even bigger wall of text

Are you fine in the head boi?

I find it hard to believe that a movie with this much of an emphasis on combat and no female presence whatsoever could be designed for women to understand it. Especially since males rate this movie higher than females to a greater degree than almost any other movie on the IMDB top 250

Curious. How would you have ended it?

iron giant

i had never been more mad at my gf than when i was watching saving private ryan and at the end he asks his wife if he was a good man and she didn't so much as form a tear.

tl;dr if you don't want to read the rest

then the rest

Ryan dying could've worked if you wanted to push a darker ending.
To maintain the relatively 'happy' mission accomplished ending, have it end with Ryan either heading home as a mildly injured casualty, which has the same results of the mission being a success but removes the feeling of the target being coddled like an infant by the issuing of the mission.

Alternatively if the film was rewritten even further and there was some other justification for events beyond 'bring him home', it could be him writing to his mother about learning of the death of his brothers by blood, and telling her of the deaths of his brothers by deed that allowed him to even be writing to her at all.

you should suck her dick to teach her a lesson

>I was the only one on the verge of tears during the climax of the LOTR films

All solid options, but I don't see how they fix the "problem."

Is your issue just that you think the film should have concluded with a more subtle note if it wanted to maintain any pretext of the moral ambiguity of the premise and that the whole ending scene hands it to the viewer in a way that cheapens the dilemma to the point of being inconsequential?

You summed up my opinion quite well, cheers.

It would have also been better if he had visited the grave alone and perhaps even not spoken.

All ambiguity is lost when his wife basically says 'their deaths were worth it'.

Fair enough. Thought I think something would be lost without his family. They're literally the stand-in for the audience (i.e. the people who weren't actually there and can't really understand what it was like). I think it's just as lonely as having him show up by himself to have people that are so close to him that will never get the most pivotal event/period of his life. It's a pretty significant message about all of us who have grandpas who served.

Women don't understand brotherhood, because women are absolute cunts to eachother. The most misogynistic people in this world, are women.

He could talk to the grave and mention that his grandchildren are at the military museum or something if he must, but they otherwise only serve to convince the audience that the fallen soldiers are worth the family of Ryan.

They're not really misogynistic. The issue is men are defined many different ways whereas women only really identify as women. This allows common ground between all women. The issue with having common ground is that it makes you more critical/envious/bored with those people.
The ingrained female fear of impropriety then disallows them to properly express their disdain towards (most of) their fellows. Which then breeds resentment deeper.

Nah, it's more than just AWWWW HE HAD KIDS.

It's a juxtaposition between someone who ACTUALLY gets the sacrifices made by those who serve their country (Ryan/soliders) and people who do their best to appreciate the nature of that sacrifice (his family/civilians).

But he repaired himself. Same thing with Groot in guardians of the Galaxy

I can understand the same tools in the same sort of scene being used to that effect but I only see the the former and none of the latter.

You mentioned those who have grandparents who served. I can only speak for myself but I don't think many people really truly care.
I mean I deeply care that my grandfather cares deeply for things that happened in the war. But I simply can't care for the things he cares about.

Reinstalled MoHaa yesterday, haven't played it since it was originally released (you can get it for free now without pirating). Holds up pretty well, hard mode is actually somewhat hard, you can die in a few hits. Installed a bloody gore mod, having fun tbqh my dudes.

I have nothing good going for me right now because I'm a loser and I need an excuse to feel superior to 50% of the human race: the thread.

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.

>I mean I deeply care that my grandfather cares deeply for things that happened in the war. But I simply can't care for the things he cares about.

And that's the point.

For Ryan, that time is everything. For his wife and family who have known him presumably the rest of his life, it's just some story he may or may not tell. They go with Grandpa to the cemetery like good Americans on Memorial Day, but they do it mostly because it's important to him and because it's a dutiful and convenient tribute to make. They can't REALLY get it nor do they really care to more than likely.

And that's where I see some merit in the ending because Ryan is seeking validation from people who can't give it to him. It's an act of desperation born out of shame of survival. He starts out talking to the grave because he knows that the person he really wants to talk to, but more than anything else he wants an actual fucking answer, so he seeks reassurance in his wife. It's a twofold moment of futility: the dead can't tell him whether he's earned their sacrifice and the living are in no position to answer with any credibility.

He's alone and the question remains unanswered forever.

Rising Sun was better tbqf familia

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That's a much better interpretation of it than mine. I can't really empathize with asking questions I won't accept the answer to though, so I can only see it as Ryan seeking and receiving validation from the civilians.

He can't really accept it either. He's just desperate and haunted by guilt and wants to be told what he wants to hear in that moment.

i remember that one

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I don't think women like Eastwood period, Million Dollar Baby is possible but usually women never give him the credit he deserved for using his niche and even furthering himself in other fields to get a better handle on his work.


I hope one day Sup Forums acknowledges Thunderbolt and Lightfoot because it's my personal favorite film of his.

INCEPTION (2010)

My mother adored his films for legitimate reasons.
All my other aunts really liked his films as well simply because they thought he looked great.

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Every woman I know has absolute pleb tier taste. If I ever watch a war movie with them they are clearly disinterested and have no concept of what anything actually means. Admittedly I have never been in the military and have never been in combat, so I'm not pretending I can understand what that's like, but women are just on a whole other level. These same women, mind you, will fucking love any romance movie no matter how shit it is, with excuses like "yeah I know it's bad, but it gives me a warm feeling when they get married at the end".

I've never known a woman who likes this:

My mom loved it ya dunce

Enjoying =/= Understanding