Who wins?

Who wins?

Neither, Father from FMA would destroy both of them

>literally absorbs god
>removes all seven sins from himself making him the perfect human
>created a fucking star in his hand just to flex

Sounds super boring tbh no real struggles very op. Why does he even exist

Db fan here so clearly goku

humanity in general

Not enough muscles, he looks weak af.

Probably doesn't even lift.

Jiren

Jiren getting squashed next week.

Cool picture.

Yhwach from Bleach would be a close one too

>Japanese Hitler
>gastheshinigami.jpg
>only wants the purest and strongest of Quincy's to thrive to his paradise
>can see through time

>Goku must turn into a God to win against a mortal
>Jiren is the representation of hard work, breaking your limits while staying mortal without gimmicks

Jiren best "villain"

obviously Son Goku

Woah woah woah buddy, hold the fuck up.

Goku isn't a god, that fat bastard whats his face turned into a god.

Goku is using his own powers, who knows what kind of ability makes Jiren so strong.

>Minutes later is beaten to death by a teenager with his bare hands

Many people yell about how Juha jobber but in reality the very process of Aushwalen creates within his very offspring a silver based poison that could weaken him for no longer than 1 minute and was a one for meaning it would only work on Juha once. And you hadn't overcome his nominal OP quincy abilities since the poison only nullified "A" for 60 seconds. Meaning his opponent had to be someone with at the very least as strong as several Captains. And even then Juha would have seen you coming even before you struck. It was only due to the fact that his second in command was not as proficient at using "A" as Juha was so that when he sent Juha the warning Juha interpreted it as a dream of Ichigo striking him down with his ordinary Zangetsu. Because Juha knew he had broken Ichigos blade but all he had really done was undo his Bankai since Ichigos blade literally is his soul which he was able to easily remodel and superlative so when in shikai was his quincy, the other his hollow / shinigami.
Juha did not job nor was he jobbed.

All superman needs to do is just punch goku into a sun. His only "weakness" is kryptonite and goku:

a) Is too much of an idiot to know/find out about that
b) Doesn't like playing dirty

Any other argument is dumb/irrelevant

Goku is white now. Or Blanco. He is above ssb as ssb is above ssj.

This.

Massive DB fan, but I have to admit its true.

What superman are we talking about here? is superman prime on the table?

Goku perfected Ultra Instinct. Superman cannot land a blow. In ssb Goku could destroy the sun. Ultra Instinct Blanco affords him the power of the angels

Goku would just keep fighting till he'd eventually surpass Soup.

Wrong. Blanco is above all.

Can goku breath in space?

Superman lifted a book of infinite pages, meaning his power level is infinite. Superman wins.

He can't, superman literally has no power cap.

Exactly, these idiots just don't want to admit they're wrong.

We can go prime now, post wouldn't stand a chance. Let it be fair at least.

Superman is canon invincible except for fucking cryptonite. So yeah, Goku's goose is cooked if he ain't got none o' dat.

DBZ fans I love you but you can't be doing this, come on.

So Goku would keep growining stronger till he'd reach infinity + 1.

Pretty weird nd sounds childish but in math even infinity has a "cap".

well prime is essentially god so supes wins i guess

Wtf, have you even taken calculus?

>in math even infinity has a "cap".
Not even close to being correct

Ultra Instinct enables him to remove his mortal constraints. As long as he has removed his barrier, he doesn't have to breathe or fatigue or succumb to exhaustion. Once you know how to remove barrier you have to continually be there.

But Goku has the power of a God too, so which God is stronger?

Instant transmissions sup's to literally any other planet without a yellow sun, or sunlight at all
RIP

Goku can destroy the universe.

There are infinities + x, Goku grows ever stronger so he'd surpass Soup's infinity.

Superman isn't invincible but unless yo can kill him quickly enough before he can power up YOU WILL NEVER BEAT HIM.

His base abilities are RIDICULOUS. and he can get WAYY more powerful than he is in his normal state.

>Superman Prime remained in Earth's sun for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably immeasurable levels--he is known to dwarf the might of even the massively powerful Kal Kent, who is himself more powerful than the gravitational pull of a collapsing star and is multiple times faster than the speed of light.

Jiren rained onto Goku millions of blows in an instant and Goku not only dodged many of them but did so while removing his ultra instinct barrier to ascend to Blanco. He's literally as powerful as Whis' people.

Goku*

Fixed it for you.

let me just fucking say this. Goku could be 100 times stronger than he is now and he STILL wouldn't be able to beat superman.

that's pathetic user. weak bait

Lol Goku is Universe level.

>Can goku breath in space?
Short answer: Yes
He, and other Saiyans have fought battles in open space, the conditions and vacuum have no ill effects for them.
Goku is unable to do this indefinitely, however flight and instant transmission make him capable of changing the venue at will.

Same reasoning applies to Goku user, everyone ever toyed with him and later regretted it.

this thread and argument is dumb af

how can you claim to be a dragon ball z fan and still think saiyans can breathe in space. DID YOU NOT FUCKING WATCH THE FREIZA FIGHT?

Infinity plus, minus, divided or multiplied my anything is still infinite. Infinity is a concept, not a number

GOKU DIED SO MANY TIMES AND HAD TO BE WISHED BACK TO LIKE LIKE SOME SORT OF PUSSY SOY BOY.

>mfw
>pic related

Goku needs to concentrate in order to instant transmission, which is kinda hard when you have a many-times-faster-than-light-god punching you into oblivion

>fucking casuals.

madara was probably one of the strongest ninjas but he is nowhere near these guys moron.

>Goku has been able to survive in space since OG Dragon Ball. He went to the moon using his power poll and had no problem being in a vacuum.

Short answer: Yes
He fought Beerus in space / upper atmosphere, along with other battles. he cannot do it indefinitely, but breath / survive? Yes

Why lift when you're a literal God.

What's the problem here?

Heroic deaths are awesome.


He wanted to go beat up some dead ppl when he thought there were no stronger opponents alive. - Cell Saga

you just sinked your own ship.
>he can't do it indefinitely


If we left Goku in the vacuum of space long enough he would die. Unlike superman who doesn't need bitch-vapor to keep him alive.

>fucking casuals
>posts satima

I'm sure he could stop punching superman for a second or two to concentrate, he doesn't need to target fixate or concentrate to move relatively short distances or random locations.

stop dick riding Goku. You know he took Major L's in his life. Nobody saying he aint a hero but he can't touch superman.

Because you look weak af.

misa amane can literally kill anyone with her death note and shinigami eyes so all of you fags are gay

The discussion isn't about heroic deaths, its weather goku could beat sups, 2hich he could not

Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha?

Let alone defeat him.

And I’m not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara.

I’m not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either.

Hell, I’m not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano’o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.

I’m talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano’o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu.

Didn't think so.

Actually I think he could win with his genjutsu. As far as I am aware neither Superman nor Goku has faced someone who can manipulate and break minds like Madara.

Nice trips, but losing a battle doesn't mark the end. You climb back up, turn the L into a win, gain experience etc.

Goku using a Sharp bone

>His only "weakness" is kryptonite
stopped reading there

The only weak thing here is your argument.

>Be Misa Amane
>Writes Uchiha Madara in my notebook

I can make up words too

So why did you start talking about Gokus past battles?

> thread

I've consistently said he can't do it indefinitely
Can he survive space? Yes
Can he do it indefinitely? No

This was a direct answer to >Can goku breath in space?

I'm uninterested in your half baked opinion of superman's strategy, I was merely relaying info from the DB wiki

>Goku would keep growining stronger till he'd reach infinity + 1

ok, nobody wins Doctor Original Poster

>It's a 3 meter dick
>Can transform every matter into dicks
>Control every dick in the world
he can't see but he can feel when dicks are around
>His only "weakness" is women but he can turn then into traps which he likes a lot

When two people fight, they're win/loss record is usually taken into account.

Love this pasta but Madara was a loser.

He lost at everything he ever did.

Beat by angsty teen rebellion

Goku is too stupid, can't break his mind cause he doesn't have 1.

Goku wins.

each of the names you see here are a direct reference to Japanese folklore and Shinto belief (their religion)
get some culture you pleb

lol at these two "superhero" faggots.

naruto would decimate these fags

Both "died" a lot, but when you have things like dragonballs it all becomes meaningless.

that's a shit argument
it doesn't matter if he's stupid or not, he still has a brain that controls his perception and therefore can be manipulated
the fight would be over the second they met eyes

He had alot of struggles and he's not the mc, he's the main villian, so being op isnt bad

Looking weak isnt really a concern to someone trying to take over the world.
That's like whining at a low weight boxer for looking weak, he only cares about winning the fight.

You could fuck him up if he was in his base form taking a snooze, but in a 1 vs 1 it's not happening.

>Madara
I don't know anything about Madara,

However Goku is both telekinetic and telepathic, has faced opponents who also share these abilities, and has a trait making himself resistant, and flat-out immune to repeated attacks.

Whilst Goku isn't the most mentally trained character (At this point that may be Frieza), Mind, body and meditation is core to all fighters, as their ki manipulation, telekinetic and telepathic abilities are based here.

Which Superman?

madara is all mental though so goku is gonna get beat by awesome planning

>Being too busy taking over the world instead of growing ever stronger.

This is what's wrong with most Gods, they think they're the shit and then get fucked by some nobody.

In Blanco form, yes. Blanco allows him to push aside mortality. Jiren was constantly in Ultra Instinct and would sit and meditate. Goku would literally meditate remaining as Blanco and be untouchable.

ITT: People who know next to nothing about the character they are repping

Even if it where a pure mental battle, Unlikely.

I'll reference the Buu saga, where Vegeta is able to overcome Babidi's Mind control. where Babidi was previously able to enslave some of the other most powerful fighters, namely Buu himself.

Saiyans in general are supremely resistant to both mental, and ki or spiritaul based attacks, not only resistant, but excel forms of it themselves.

It's possible Frieza's race is even better adept at such things.

No, not what I said at all, I said training his muscles only to look strong, isn't really something he has time with. What user whined about was that he looked weak even though he's the strongest

If you train your muscles you do not only look strong but actually are strong.

It's another stat he obviously hasn't perfected yet.

You can't just rely on magic all the time.

you really have no clue who madara is do you?

FALSE
>creates star to flex on superman
>superman power x1000 now
>punch father to oblivion.

Some emo ninja faggot that always lost.