The main problem of capitalism is that you will NEVER get rich by working hard...

The main problem of capitalism is that you will NEVER get rich by working hard, only by exploring people and making them work hard for you.

Other urls found in this thread:

celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/paris-hilton-isnt-really-much-heiress/
dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-504577/Bad-heir-day-Paris-Hilton-inherit-just-2-5million-grandfather-pledges-bulk-fortune-charity.html
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

>The main problem of capitalism is that you will NEVER get rich by being a work-obsessed aspie, only my having social skills and making connections

How is this a problem?

Humans are a social species. If you aren't good at socializing, you aren't good at living.

...

Basically. For all the time Capitalist-fags spend lambasting Socialism for catering to the dregs of society, that's what the entirety of Capitalism is based on. Beethoven can't compete with Lil' John.

People are less motivated to actually do the hard work and research if they know they won't be the ones profiting from it, but someone else who is more social.

No its by exploiting people into making them give you money, which typically requires free exchange.

There's literally nothing wrong with exploring people.

>only the best and brightest
Yes, the best and brightest at appealing to what people want.

Capitalism is literally freedom.

>Because of Capitalism people from the past died poor while people of today live in prosperity.

Yes and by todays standards we live the life of luxury when you compare it to back then.

>We have food, heat, air conditioning, light, water, health care, transportation, airplanes.

What do you have against Paris Hilton?
She's actually worth more than Donald Trump in liquid assets and runs a successful clothing/fragrance line.

Nikola Tesla was paid huge amounts of wealth for his inventions.

He was just shit with money, and misinvested it all.

Tesla was legit crazy and wasn't even trying to earn any money.

Also, capitalism isn't about handing money to people because they're intelligent. It's about earning money, about bringing something to the table that makes other people give you money for it.

>Hilton
Nothing wrong in giving your money to your kids. It's your money, you can give it to whoever to want.

>The main problem of capitalism is that you will NEVER get rich by working hard, only by exploring people and making them work hard for you.
This is plainly false
I started several businesses before one made me real money
Know other entrepreneurs who were also succesful
The ones who made money have all paid top shelf salaries to their staff to motivate them to grow their business
Only a commie retard like you thinks giving people a great job where they make excellent money doing something they love is exploiting them
Does exploitation happen? Sure.
But usually it's being done by third rate hacks who can't make a buck without cutting corners
Usually those same idiots would be more profitable if they took better care of their people too
Exploiting workers isn't a feature of capitalism, it's a feature of stupid management regardless of system
A failing common to socialist nations

Socialism makes sure no one becomes rich and successful

Tesla didn't care about money and he's more influential than Paris Hilton will ever be.

Faggot.

If Tesla would have just accepted the contracts the government was offering him he would have died a millionaire, but

>muh morals
>muh feelings

Making them WANT to work for you.

main problem with capitalism is that you need to make profit for your capital, otherwise you won't even put it to any use.

WTF? Paris Hilton comes from the HILTON HOTELS family.

If anybody fell for this bait, they are fucking retarded.

Not to mention she actually made about $100 million on her own, by crafting a personal brand, and not by taking daddy's cash.

Nikola Tesla made tons of money off of his one or two good inventions, he was just a fucking idiot that wasted it because he was batshit insane.

Tesla is literally the fedora of scientists. He was weird as fuck, and 99% of his inventions were retardedly impractical, and in some cases, he flat out lied about the capability of his machines (earthquake machine, death ray, etc).

i'm fuckin rich because i work hard and smart
i make more money than i know what to do with

my only problem is i'm not sure if i should retire earlier or buy bigger and better things

only losers support socialism
winners support capitalism

That is true to some extent in modern nations, however the cause isn't capitalism.

paris hilton runs a successful fashion business and has done more work than every brazilian to have ever lived combined

Nikola Tesla earned millions, problem is he was so comically bad with his money.

Brilliant engineer, but guy was also a basket case who had terrible business sense.

Literally the dumbest strawman argument.. Paris hilton squandered her familys fortune celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/paris-hilton-isnt-really-much-heiress/

Her dad worked hard, she just squandered so much of it that he decided to give 97% of the 4.3 billion to charity.. and only 3% to her heirs because he DIDN'T FEEL that she EARNED IT..

By using the paris hilton as an example OP literally checkmates himself. Because her dad did work hard to create the Hilton brand, but she didn't and therefore stands to inherit next to nothing.

>What is demand?

So people should be punished if they're not good at something? What's the point in that?

Tesla is an awful example because he could've been rich as fuck and he almost literally refused to.

How is it punishment? You make it sound like someone else is doing this to them and keeping it down.

It was his own naivete to blame.

They shouldn't be rewarded for not doing anything.

The point is not rewarding bad behaviour. Explain why others should work hard to pay for free stuff for a whole bunch of people.. when without having to pay for that they could have far more to spend on themselves..

It's fine to help the needy but when you have an entire class of entitled parasites that think they can simply just select not doing a damn thing and expect others to recieve less in order to keep paying for their life anyways. That's when you have to pull the brakes..

>Bill is clumsy
>Bill falls down the stairs
>this Irishman walks up to the doctor and asks what happened
>doctor says Bill fell down the stairs and hurt himself
>so people should be punished if they're not good at something? what's the point in that?

Capitalism actively prevents people from living as they wish. Tesla was unable to go places he wanted to and pick food from the trees. How is this not actively keeping someone down when it's literally doing it by force?

Let me chime in on something

Tesla was not a capitalist. He did not do the science he did to make money and be rich and famous - he did it because he craved knowledge and improvement. (He certainly did get paid for a lot of his inventions though. He was just a basket case as a lot of other anons said)

And there is nothing wrong with that.

This is absolutely true tbdesu

Which is why I literally just hired my first 3 dumb niggers to work in my company.

Feels good paying them 2,100 bucks per month while they make me get around 12,250 bucks.

Top cucks.

Capitalism is only "bad" because it's a hard game to play, and one that only a few people will ever even understand the rules.

Paris Hilton was born rich. She did nothing good or bad. This comparison is fucking dumb.

You have the illusion that ressources are infinite that's why you believe that everything should just get everything for free..

So if i go pick your tree clean in your garden.. Would you be ok with that? Afterall why would you be so evil to keep me down...

Ofcourse now you're going to have to wait another season till the apples or whatever grow out again.. Tough luck for you i guess..

This is not capitalism. His competition used government regulation to destroy everything Tesla came up with. Had the government gotten out of the way, Tesla's models and ideas would have had an actual chance of success.

>The main problem of capitalism is that you will NEVER get rich by working hard, only by exploring people and making them work hard for you.

Paris Hilton has made positive contributions to society, else she wouldnt have made a fortune off her product lines. This is where marxist logic falls apart, they can't accept that the labor theory of value simply isn't true. People paid for Paris(tm) perfume, shampoo, and lingerie because they personally find it valuable - it brings the consumer pleasure and enjoyment, even if the Paris brand is a useless widget on generic clothes.

Value in capitalism is all about pleasure and enjoyment, not "hard work".

>doesn't understand the difference in risk between being an employer and an employee

Being an employee is literally risk free, if the business fucks up somehow they just lose their job but can always get a new one.. the business owner stands to lose massively in comparison.. and facilitates the entire environment.. the employee literally just have to work in a small part of it and get payed every month.

You're actually suggesting that any business should exist solely to employ people and for no other reason. How selfish are you man?

>against capitalism
>uses iPhone

You are the first HUE I agree with

>When leftist scum think every form of capitalism is Pure Capitalism.

>iPhone is bad
I will never understand this meme. How is apple more capitalist than any other company?

Pic related

>outliers
waaaaah but muh marx waaaaah

Apple products are worse than others in almost every metric other than security, and they charge 2x/3x just for the bitten apple mark on the phone

bait much?

Yup, this is the reason I dont do shit

>You have the illusion that ressources are infinite that's why you believe that everything should just get everything for free..

I don't have any illusion, scarcity today is all either 1) artificial and 2) because of overpopulation. My family or I never participated in overpopulation.

Resources are infinite for how much humans need them. Food grows by itself, water is there itself. No need for anyone else to bring it to us.

>So if i go pick your tree clean in your garden.. Would you be ok with that? Afterall why would you be so evil to keep me down...

Because I need the fruit in my garden to eat myself. It's different to a farmer or corporation who owns millions of acres, and you have to ask why the government will fight off anyone who tries to take any amount of it even if they're starving. Because someone in history said it was theirs and papers were signed. It's ridiculous.

>Apple products are worse than others in almost every metric

No its not and you pay more for their OS. Which is wayyy better than Android and Windows

So you would be more motivated by state driven bureaucracy which will make it nearly impossible to get any funding or recognition?

Unless, wait for it... you socialize and make connections.

oh don't give me that bullshit, he had EVERY opportunity to become rich and actively chose to become a reclusive weirdo who jerked off to pigeons

meanwhile as vapid and shallow as paris hilton is she's entertaining and she knows it and she fucking sells herself. She aint got much but she sure knows how to market it

>Which is wayyy better than Android and Windows

>south american commie
We all know how it ends

>tesla was a poor autist

guy threw more parties than paris hilton

Is it ridiculous..

The reason they are starving in africa is because they are completely incompetent in farming and even the most basic things in society.. this is also the general cause of starvation..

Ironically the places that have massive food shortages and these things are the ones that have adapted socialist/communist tendencies and have thus crashed or do terribly as a result.

Ah.. you need the fruit in your garden to eat yourself.. are you claiming you're now self reliant? ofcourse you're not you're more than likely a clueless urban dweller.

>A farmer or corporation who owns millions of acres..

Yes because surely they're not selling to locals or exporting any of it or anything of that sort right, no they're just keeping it to myself and forcing others to starve..

JUST....

Please realize that you can't feed the entire fucking africa and your own countinent and lots of other places, at the same time and the rest of the world if africa decides not to do a damn thing themselves..

You have some pretty wild misunderstandings about delayed gratification necessary for farming and all these kinds of things. And it's just like pop pop pop and the entire world is fed..

Listen if people as nations were more self reliant.. it would be fantastic.. They're not starving because someone is holding them down they're starving because they are incompetent at doing the necessary things to feed themselves.

>paris hilton runs a successful fashion business and has done more work than every brazilian to have ever lived combined
If by more work you mean "sucked far more black cocks than all of your country combined" then yes, she sure did a lot more work than us.

Now stfu you britcuck, go prep the bull for your muslin overlords and remember: We will be remembering every single insult you fucktards threw on us all these years the next time the krauts decide to go anschluss up your asses and your allies come begging us for the only resource we have, manpower to fight the war.

Never forget that you english cucks can't even fight your own world wars, needing to call for help in order not to get crushed.

Also they have way more kids than they should, so it's actually both things.. too many kids than they can feed per family, and lack the motivaton and the know how etc. to feed their own people..

You can't neither financially or ressource wise feed an entire continent of people and others.. and yourself at the same time.. Nor should you expect to do so they should learn to take care of themselves. And this is exactly the same problem with having many people on welfare and few working in comparison.. It crashes the entire system.. too few putting something in, too many taking something out. Which is precisely part of why socialism/communism fails eventually.

Tesla was also fucking insane and thought extraterrestrials gave him some of his ideas

The solution is Nazism. State Capitalism and an Anti-Degenerate agenda will annihilate these "popstars" and instead glorify talented hard working people and soldiers.

Both Communism and Capitalism are faulty retarded ideologies.

what businesses do you own?

Liberal capitalism does not exclude voluntary communist societies.

The fuck?

No he didn't.

The Hilton family made their fortune legally and through hard work.

If they feel good spending it on a vapid whore, so be it. It is their hard earned money, you commie.

It all boils down to individual property rights. Do you recognize a man can own property and the fruits of his labor or not?

Should be limited or all go to the "collective". If yes, then what is the collective but a set of individuals? Because the properties of a set do not transcend the properties of its members that what is good for the community should be good for the individual. Marxism is irrational in that it promotes mysticism and transcendentalism.

This.

We need to combine the meritocratic hierarchy of capitalism with authoritarian social rigidity to ensure that it is efficient. Also, we can have welfare programs and spending on national works (art, architecture, monuments, etc. that promote the nation's heritage and culture); as long as they aren't excessive. Welfare should be to help workers that actually need it, not as a free "be a NEET" check.

>The reason they are starving in africa is because they are completely incompetent in farming and even the most basic things in society.. this is also the general cause of starvation..

Sure, let them starve if that's what they choose and if they're overpopulating themselves, there is no solution. I'm not some nicey-nice guy at all, I can do cut-throat just fine. But it has to be fair. What I'm talking about is the idea of capitalism that some guy own millions of acres and it's all protected by force BECAUSE DEMS THE RULEZ.

>Yes because surely they're not selling to locals or exporting any of it or anything of that sort right, no they're just keeping it to myself and forcing others to starve..

I don't give a shit who they're selling to, I'm saying they are not entitled to own it and have no right to prevent other people from taking some to feed themselves.

>Listen if people as nations were more self reliant.. it would be fantastic.. They're not starving because someone is holding them down they're starving because they are incompetent at doing the necessary things to feed themselves.

>Listen if people as nations were more self reliant.. it would be fantastic.. They're not starving because someone is holding them down they're starving because they are incompetent at doing the necessary things to feed themselves.

In western countries they often are. Anyone who is able to pick food and lie down can support themselves and it is only by force of others that they struggle to.

just working hard didn't get people rich. Mexicans picking berries on a farm probably work way harder than any successful businessman.

There are laws in my country that protect you id you are indeed starving to death.

I could club a panda to death but if eat it all i wont be any trouble, if i can prove i need it for survival. There are infinite cases like that in the usa. If you starve to death in my country its your own damn pathetic fault.

Literally all of the west has been forced under a soft form of socialism for more than 50 years. The welfare state, escalation of federal income tax with higher profit, etc. is communist derived trash. Capitalism died in 1920s America.

Because she would never have been capable of that if she was not born into wealth.
Do you think she actually know shit about cllothing, the lining, the sewing, the fabric or do you think she actually knows about chemestry enough to make perfume?
No she does not, without being born into money at best she would be a semi successfull porn actress, since US fags seems to like that worthless body type of unatractiveness.

>Food grows by itself, water is there itself.
Uhhh, no it doesn't, idiot. Without our current level of industrial and technological investment in farming, half the world would likely starve. If people actually followed your idea of a free "paradise" would be a bunch of hippies starving innawoods and coming back to society occasionally to shit in the streets like Indians and beg people for manufactured goods and food. We developed our technology for a reason; because living like Survivor Man is hard.

>What I'm talking about is the idea of capitalism that some guy own millions of acres and it's all protected by force BECAUSE DEMS THE RULEZ.

I don't think people actually own millions of acres. If they do, it's because they're some oil sheik. Some people own a few thousand acres, such as my family. We own 5,000 acres and use it for cattle ranching, and growing soy beans, corn, and wheat. The world is bigger than you think it is. The US hasn't even used 20% of its landmass for human settlements.
All leftist movements tend to lead to totalitarian statism; where the unaccountable politicians rule over people like gods anyway (pic related). At least in a mostly-free market, people have the choice of denying service to dissidents, or not giving their service to a business owner they don't like.

sure she did and without her families money to get even the funding for starting she would surely have achievemed the same

dream on

Work smarter, not harder.

>Do you recognize a man can own property and the fruits of his labor or not?
I don't.

Capitalism is slightly less grossly inefficient than all the other economic systems, and I appreciate it for that, but I don't think it's necessarily MORALLY RIGHT or however you would put it. Personal ownership isn't the end goal, it's the means to the end of facilitating everyone's wellbeing, including the moochers.

Capitalism is okay since it generates enough overhead to feed the poor. If there was a way to get the same performance out of a planned economy without the system turning evil and choking to death on its own bureaucracy, I'd probably support that.

I get the point but using Paris Hilton as an example is dumb idea

She's the grand daughter of a billionaire

>If they feel good spending it on a vapid whore, so be it. It is their hard earned money, you commie.
Except that the guy who did all the hard work does not feel good at all about spending it on a vapid whore, to the pojnt of donating most of her inheritance to charity just to prevent her from getting it:dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-504577/Bad-heir-day-Paris-Hilton-inherit-just-2-5million-grandfather-pledges-bulk-fortune-charity.html

>It all boils down to individual property rights. Do you recognize a man can own property and the fruits of his labor or not?
Of course, still do not agree with capitalist pigs making a shitload of money while the common worker has to work his ass off just to barely survive with whatever meager living conditions he can afford.

>Marxism is irrational in that it promotes mysticism and transcendentalism.
Agreed, marxism is just plain stupid, but I believe a new and fair system is possible, the only thing preventing such a system to exist is the rich 1% that does not feel like earning slightly less to be able to give their workers decent wages.

Because they will keep doing it again and again.

Excessive, blind egalitarianism promotes inefficiency. Are you saying it's better to waste resources and labor, because that's the "nice" thing to do?

Would you not fire a doctor who keeps killing people on the operating table?

This.

> autist dies poor and alone

wew

she inherited her wealth without ever having to work hard or live up to a higher standard..its a great fucking example

are you implying that

I shouldn't be able to pass my wealth onto my children?

this is the last bastion of family and freedom. Once you can no longer pass your wealth onto your children, there is literally zero incentives to have children in the west (other than the emotional ones)

I work my whole life and I can't even give my kids an edge??

>overrated genius

i think he's overrated for that exact reason. If he made such great inventions, and wasn't able to leverage those inventions, he was missing a crucial part of being a genius: hedging your bets

It seems like Brazilian folks are the main shitposters here.
1) First of all, Paris is a granddaughter of a billionaire, so using her as an example of failed capitalism is the definition of stupidity.
2) Secondly, she happened to be in the right place, in the right time. I still remember her MTV 00s shows, she was really hot and entertaining. I am not saying that I am fan of her, but still she EARNED this money fairly.
As it was stated before, you have to run your business smartly. Being intelligent is't equal being rich.

>this philly phag again

underrated for sure

> she was really hot
For a Turk rape baby like yourself maybe

>this thread

> never get rich by working harder
> instead of working smarter
> for some reason this is considered a flaw

It's reality. You're trying to make an imaginary social construct (the economy) violate the laws of physics, and can't understand why it gets rekt every time.

Please explain this cryptic Sup Forums meme.

You mean the main benefit, not problem.

This thread is about exploring other people, right?

Here's an exploring red barrel.

So you're clearly against private property but want to keep your own apple tree cause you need the apples for yourself..

Please stop being a hypocrite.. the only difference between having your own tree on your own property being protected and private property of a corporation is that they're actually selling it and thus need to stop people from stealing it and these things or it will hurt their business and their investment in ressources and machinery and all kinds of things in order to do the farming..

You need private property or people will steal stuff that don't belong to them.. you can't just do the "first come first serve" because without private property and proper barter, some people will help themselves to more than they deserve..

And ironically you are arguing against this protection mechanism of private property and trade.. By claiming it's immoral that people aren't able to basically steal from others what they feel they require. So you want people who didn't plant any tree or didn't nurture any field to basically just swipe the stuff after a farmer has spent his due time producing crops..

>sure let them starve if that's what they choose
I never said i preferred for them to starve, i'm just pointing out why that is, you can't just remove moral agency from people who do not do well and pretend it's always somebody elses fault. Which is basically what you are doing.

>In western countries they often are. Anyone who is able to pick food and lie down can support themselves and it is only by force of others that they struggle to.

I don't know how it's like in ireland but you can't just run around on peoples private property and take stuff down from their trees in general in europe.. There's forests and stuff like this which are not privately owned where you can maybe forage for some berries and stuff like that.. But the whole idea of having private property and growing stuff on them is that you put in the effort to cultivate them.

> red barrels are an iconic video game feature, that explode when shot
> except when they explore instead

>exploring people and making them work hard for you
You don't have to work for me if you don't want to. I won't make you.

Fuck, my mind was on autocorrect when I read that.

I've known about red barrels since Goldeneye.

The problem with a lot of entrepreneurs who tell people to just get out there and work hard are they often came from money themselves. Just a few examples:

Paris Hilton: The hotels, already from money.
Trump: "My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars"
Elon Musk: His father gave him about $25k for his first venture.
Howard Hughes: His father was a great industrialist.

There are countless examples like this.

It's easier to make money if you already have money.

But few people will ever give you that vital leg up if you come from nothing.

Entrepreneurs often have the ideas AND the money and connections to get there. They are also the people who are one of the first adopters of a new idea, and so get to reap the rewards when it reaches the rest of society.

They can do this because they have the means to do it.

If you come from nothing and live in a shithole, you really are limited, no matter what these aspirational people tell you.

It's not impossible for the poor to rise, but the odds are stacked even more heavily against them than it is for the comfy middle class.

>It seems like Brazilian folks are the main shitposters here.
Every australian would be offended by that statement, but do go on.

>1) First of all, Paris is a granddaughter of a billionaire, so using her as an example of failed capitalism is the definition of stupidity.
If only she was the exception, but sadly this is what the decendents of most billionaires fail to live up to their ancestors expectations.

>2) Secondly, she happened to be in the right place, in the right time. I still remember her MTV 00s shows, she was really hot and entertaining. I am not saying that I am fan of her, but still she EARNED this money fairly.
Giving women money over the fact they are pretty is the reason why current western society is doomed.

>As it was stated before, you have to run your business smartly. Being intelligent is't equal being rich.
Completly agree with you there mate, no arguments there. The problem is that the intelligent people usually get hindered by the stupid rich people who only fucks everything up.