Are The Velvet Underground actually terrible?

Don't get me wrong. I love TVU (their first two albums, at least, and the s/t is fine too). But sometimes I wonder if they're just utter shit. Am I just listening to pop tripe with the papal blessing of the critics? Usually it's around the third chorus of "All Tomorrow's Parties" or in the latter half of "Lady Godiva's Operation" that I get really confused about whether I'm stimulating myself like a retard or appreciating a rock classic.

No, they're the best rock band of all time.

They're obviously shit. Does it sound like any of them, besides, John Cale, have the slightest clue as to what they're doing?

You can have your own opinion, you don’t need what you think you think validated by others

Or if this is a “thinly veiled opinion thread” then stop

>people in band don’t know what they’re doing
You’re saying this like it’s always a bad thing

I can't stand this anti-critical stance that presupposes some kind of initial purity in our judgments of taste. Always with the implication that your own taste is impervious to the vissicitudes of reviews and rankings. No, friend, you are socialized to prefer certain things just like the rest of us, and your preferences are not crystalline and constant in your own mind.

I don't disagree with you at all, im just saying instrumentally they're shit. That isn't always a bad thing though

What are you looking to be told here? Lots of people on this board blindly follow tastemakers constantly, seeing pitchfork's taste constantly regurgitated here is pretty frustrating and I don't blame people for being tired of it

Also you got enough 10 dollar words there dude?

No they are one of my favorites. Not garbage but maybe you don't actually like them and have been forcing yourself OP.

I don't like them personally, their sound doesn't touch me in any way, whether that's emotional or whatever but they are making good music. Thing is people here overreact to them because it is like said.
And then you have the contrarians
>This doesn't sound good
>This sucks and i will bash anyone who likes them.

Pop Rock is for nu-males and cucks, no wonder critics and mu loves them.

Holy shit, how fucking musically uneducated are you to say that TVU is instrumentally shit? Jesus dude, you have no clue what rock music even is, and you're commenting on such an interesting aspect of TVU music but you're so fucking deaf for art.

>THERE ARE NO SICK RIFFS IN THERE

yeah its better to restrict ourselves to conventionally masculine music than to ever try to enjoy something not typically regarded as music for men. Gotta love being male and being manly on a Bavarian blanket folding board.

Just because Lou Reed is admittedly not the best guitarist ever, or best singer ever for that matter, doesn't mean they're shit.
John Cale is an incredibly talented multi-instrumentalist and Moe Tucker is a great drummer. Doug Yule, Nico, and Sterling Morrison are alright too, I guess.
t. someone who jerks off to paintings of blonde women harvesting wheat

I jerk off to all blonde women, specially those hardcore sluts that did manly jobs instead of simply doing house chores and leech the wealth of their husbands. Are you being a racist?

t. someone who jacks off to negroes and trannies
Figures that you'd suck Lou Reed's dick so hard

No, they're legitimately awesome. There's just been a lot of backlash against them because many of their more recent fans are musicians with limited musical ability and/or hipsters.

Desertshore is better than any VU album.

>you are socialized to prefer certain things just like the rest of us, and your preferences are not crystalline and constant in your own mind.
Yes exactly
And so the point is to always strive towards filling out these incongruities where socialized manifestations of taste and reactionary development of taste both clash together. Perfection isn’t ever truly possible but it’s always the direction that everything is skewed towards, that said the idea is to always be challenging your music tastes. Even if you end up in a path that is less than optimally efficient toward perfection, at the least embrace what you have and make your limitations be more immediately presenting as benefits.

You have to remember that older works only seem like they're overrated because people forget why they were seen as classics initially: and that is (in most cases) that artist did it first before it was copied a million times over.
Also this.

No, they're great.
"TVU's debut may have sold 30,000 but all 30,000 listeners went to start off bands." -Brian Eno

They're the original a e s t h e t i c act if you stop to think about it. This isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Also to OP's point, musically they were TRYING to be anti-music (Cale anyway) and that this stance became a new way of making music or being 'musical'. If it sounds dumb now, it's because it's been aped and watered down a million times and also it's been done better by others in the interim so it can make the originals sound quaint or unrecognizable as the innovation they were.

In short, Death Grips is the new TVU.