9mm VS 45acp

9mm VS 45acp

What is the better round, and why?

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10mm

please take this tired argument back to the mouth breathing noguns in /k/.

Yeah, but you'd constantly be losing rounds and not be able to find them.

9mm is cheaper, mags can double stack without being too thick to hold, and pistols hold more rounds per mag.

.45 is fun to shoot and makes big holes in stuff, but doesn't have much practical use beyond sporting/competition.

t. guy who has pistols chambered in both of these rounds, pic related

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9mm. Cheap, efficient, higher mag caps.

you seem [pic related]

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Personally, I think the 9mm is the better choice, if only for accuracy. I like the look of 45acp guns, but you can be a lot more accurate and fire off a lot more rounds quicker with a 9mm. The size of the hole doesnt matter. If you get shot with anything, even a .22, youre gonna have a bad time.

.40 S&W is superior. If you go with a revolver then .357 mag.

Revolvers arent the only guns chambered in .357

Hey user, I was thinking of getting a 1911 in 9mm, what are your thoughts?

Coonan.

9mm

shot placement is key w/ handguns
9mm is cheaper, which means more practice
which means better shot placement
also higher capacity mags
modern bullet tech has closed a lot of the gap between 9mm and 40 and 45
really no reason not to go 9mm

Fired a Springfield 1911 9mm with my dad at the gun range 3 years ago, we both liked it more than the .45.
We both have one now.

True there are ranch rifles chambered in pistol rounds. But there are no .357 mag in auto pistols cause of the rim canting the round in a magazine.

noguns, go home.

I'm styling on you 24/7.

I didn't know the 1911 even came in 9 mm

Ex LEO here - 9mm is proven not to put the body in shock whereas 40 and above is. When a round 40 and above hits the body, the body goes reacts to the trauma differently. Research the 86 Miami shootout for details.

Women will be less intimidated by 40 cal even though there's no noticeable different in recoil so if you're field training a female, it'll be dependent on her frame and fear of weapons but I'd suggest 45

Nothing against it; go try a few. Personally I like the more modern polymer frames for 9mm since it makes them far more useful for EDC and concealed carry purposes. Just be sure you also try out some of the more popular double-stack models before you settle on 1911-style. Glock 19, Springfield XDM, and Sig Sauer P226 are all worth testing out, among others.

basically did the same, but only about 7 months ago. Parents live in Illinois and I have CC license but I have to move to NYC for my new job, so i'm pretty fucking heated

I've been told by purists that it shouldn't come in 9mm

are you saying that a 9mm is insufficient for self defense?

I've looked at them, but the appeal of getting a gun (due to where i'll be living for teh forseeble future) is for aesthetics and I like the 1911 a whole lot more than the competition

The FBI decided 9mm was optimal in 2014.

and bullet design has come a long way since 1986...just sayin'

you're thinking of .357 sig, you nogunz

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I think its a cost thing - when you have to fire a billion bullets a year, even 10% makes a difference.

but i dont' really know much about the technical differences between 9mm and .45acp

Coonan 1911s and Deagles are 357.

Circa 30 years ago

Dependant on distance and target.

It also has a lot to do with how hot 9mm rounds can be now with +p and +p+

There's plenty of guns that have altered variants to fire different calibers nowadays.

can you please explain more? i'm very new to this

If you read the report of the 86 miami shootout, it was determined all handgun rounds were inefficient for that type of shootout since 9mm, .38 and .357 were used.

Hence why most police cars carry AR-15's now.

how can 9mms compete?

yes, .357 SIG. Not .357 mag.

You thought I meant the Sig handgun didn't you?

9mm can be stopped with a simple vest

how often are you shooting at someone that this is a problem?

so can .45

so can .40's and especially .45's

just like the overwhelming majority of handguns.

neat fact.

but more or less irrelevant.

.45 long and thin goes right in but short and thick does the trick

The FBI actually researched this subject (9mm Vs .45 ACP) and the result was that the 9mm came out ahead for several reasons. The 9mm slug was faster and slightly lighter, which meant that it could penetrate further and was accurate over greater distances. They also researched bullet wounds and found that doctors observed the slower, heavier .45 lug could more easily be deflected by fat and leather clothing and that the .45 was more inclined to jam and/or "stovepipe" when fed into a semi-auto weapon. For tissue damage and bone fragmentation, the differences were so shallow (since most shootings occur within 10 feet) that doctors could not tell the difference between wounds... but the faster 9mm Parrabellum slugs created a larger shockwave through fluid and human tissue, rupturing vital organs and shattering capillaries, causing more trauma to the region. The final portion of the report showed that a 9mm had slightly less kick and that 9mm weapons tended to have a higher capacity "double-stacked" magazine - which meant the weapon was more easily trained on the target and could be cycled faster between rounds, expending more rounds on a target more accurately and with faster repetition. The ability to carry more rounds (typically) per weapon with 9mm was the deciding factor in the report.

Literally 9mm won the comparison over .45 ACP. I've used and carried both as a Bodyguard years ago and whilst I liked the .45 (I carried a Colt 1911a and a S&W semi-auto), I felt that the extra ammo in my 9mms gave me an advantage. Also, with so many other people carrying 9mm it was easy to borrow and use other ammo if needed.

Remember the infamous Miami FBI shootout in the 80s where all those agents were gunned down when they ran out of ammo and were crawling around their cars trying to feed the wrong ammo into their guns from their dead co-agents before they too were picked off and shot dead? That's what led to the FBI's disastrous decision to go into the 10mm market.

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Hard to say. Maybe if you talk more about what you gonna do.

You need it for hunt animals, practice or shoot people in a school?

i'm amazed how little difference in recoil there is between 9mm, 10mm and 40sw
compared to 357 mag and 44 mag those three are all very easy to shoot

anyone have experience with 45 gap?

Bullshit. You can get the Desert Eagle chambered in .357 mag.

No they're 357 mag.

Well, how can you disable somebody equipped with a vest? Everyone here can access one

9mm
Higher capacity
Less expensive
Hits plenty hard enough

with a rifle.

Fuck them. These are the same pussies that rejected the 10mm because of the recoil and size of the pistols for “small handed agents”.

Shoot them in the head.

The power of the ACP round makes it more accurate at long range, but it also makes the weapon unwieldy and the round will likely blow right through a human body. That's bad news for 'innocent bystanders', ideally you want your target to catch the bullet and 'keep it'

large caliber pistol rounds will probably incapacitate someone in a vest at least temporarily

this guy gets it

For me, it's the 9mm. I shot both 9mm and .45 back to back ob the same 1911 frame and I just like the feel of 9mm better. I feel I have more control and for me shooting is more about having fun and competing against yourself and your friends for accuracy. My best friend feels the same as I do about .45. It all comes down to what do you like shooting more. Whatever you like more, is going to be the better round for you, whether you're shooting a target or defending yourself.

Which would be best for blowing your brains out? Assume no prior firearm experience. And yes, I know a shotgun is best, but I'm curious as to the optimal handgun caliber.

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You will be in trouble for that. Rules are that you have to disable the target, not killing it

.454

>rejected the 10mm because of the recoil
that's surprising because i've fired 9mm and 10mm and while the difference is noticeable it's really not a big deal

Those are bullets you fucking idiot
Why do you amerifucktards call them rounds?

.50 smith and wesson magnum

How will white boys even compete, amirite bro

22 so you don't make a mess

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technically, it's a cartridge.

It’s a bullet, not a fucking cannonball. Even if you were actually worried about overpenetration, use a hydra shok or something.

Not so often but it happened before.

The bullet is the projectile.. the round is the projectile plus the powder, case, and primer.

It was stupid.

>implying you may have any say whatsoever on firearms despite dwelling in an anti-gun country that cucks its citizens
wew lad

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Go with something chambered in .460 SW mag and you can shoot .454 too.

Depends on purpose

Implying you do anything more than wank your microameri cuck cock & watch yewtube vids of people shooting bullets out of guns lol!

it's 2am, I'm bored. I'm being a massive faggot.

Your gf is fucking bbc

The .22 short reigns supreme

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>backpedaling this hard
It's okay. stay designated, user.
embrace your cubicle dwelling, bicycle, and emasculated living. I understand why you may be confused and angry.

>implying he has a gf

he does if his right fist counts as a gf.

I kinda like 357 mag.
Good enough for George Patton.
Good enough for me.

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The problem we have today was that it used to be the US Army who defined "lethality" of ammunition and the .45 ACP was perfected and developed by shooting cows with it. The more effective at killing a cow through direct impact with the skull was considered the more effective "lethality" in the round used.

9mm on the other hand has statistically killed more humans than any other round up until the 1990s. I do not know if that record still holds but I'd bet the Kalashnikov might be doing damage to that record of late.

The Germans developed the 9mm and perfected it with the 9mm (9x19) Luger/Parabellum rounds during WW2. This is why the German Luger was such a great war prize at the time... because it was considered to be amazing technology. The Americans loved their .45s and you'd think that the bigger, fatter slug might have more damage potential but the two were very similar... even when it came to kinetic transfer of energy. Both are quite lethal rounds. The edge of advantage is still going to be for the 9mm simply due to the benefit of carrying more (and lighter) ammo and the similarity in bullet wound damage. 9mm is a horrifically deadly round so it always amuses me when I see folks (here) claiming that 9mm is as useless as .380 auto. The truth is that 9mm is a very effective defensive and offensive round. You can get it in all kinds of special type ammo from +P to so-called "Armour piercing" (capable of cutting through many types of body Armour).

The stopping power of the .45 ACP was first questioned when a headline in the newspapers under the unfortunate title of "Fatso Lives!" described how a man was shot in the stomach and chest with police issue .45 rounds and his body fat prevented the ammo from hitting any vital organs. Another similar incident had a man shot (who later died from his wounds) with .45 who continued to run from police and even returned fire when his leather motorcycle jacket deflected some of the wider .45 slugs.

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Does my right fist still count as my gf even though i ram it up your moms cunt

.22 short in subsonic ammunition is a favorite of the Israeli hit squads dispatched to hunt down Nazis in other countries after WW2.

It is rimfire so it's not ideal for full auto but I have seen a full auto .22mm sub-machine gun fitted inside a briefcase with a suppressor for sound and a helium-neon laser for targeting. With the near-zero kickback, it cut through a concrete cinder-block due to the sheer volume of rounds being fired. A terribly devastating weapon that was drum-fed with a 100-200 round ammo drum. Was featured on the "Beyond 2000" science program for those who remember.

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ofc. it's technically a 3 way.

The coonan compact and deagle .357 ARE magnum rounds, you stupid cunt.

Wow someone knows how to copy and paste wiki articles to try and pass himself off as intelligent. You cuck

>Revolvers arent the only guns chambered in .357
Neither is ur mum

Even a level 4 solid steel plate wont protect your internal organs and bones from breaking when the impact of 50 or so rounds of 9mm strike that vest. That being said, at least one of those rounds is gonna hit the head, then its game over.

there are all kinds of cases where guys get shot up and somehow survive
i know in NYC they had stories of guys getting hit multiple times with 9mm rounds (probably fmj) and they survive
even a 22 can kill you yet nothing is guaranteed, having said all that i agree that 15 rounds of 9mm hollow point

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No. They're 357 magnum.

>It is rimfire so it's not ideal for full auto but I have seen a full auto .22mm sub-machine gun fitted inside a briefcase with a suppressor for sound and a helium-neon laser for targeting.
.22mm
.22 ... mm
.22 millimeter
no you haven't faggot

.45 is subsonic as well.

individually they are both basically the same

but since 9mm is smaller (thus more rounds per mag) most people choose that

.45 is better for suppressed firearms though, since its sub-sonic

There is a substantial difference in felt recoil between a 9mm and a 10mm. What loads were you shooting?

>Wow someone knows how to copy and paste wiki articles to try and pass himself off as intelligent. You cuck


I'm a former bodyguard and have been used as a material witness and ammunition specialist in court cases. This is literally the only browser window I have open and I don't need to consult Wikipedia since I am one of the people who routinely adjusts the content there. Unlike yourself, some of us are actually educated and don't require the use of Google to cycle factual information. You poor, sad excuse for a fucking fag.

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.22mm / my bad. Didn't even notice until you pointed it out.

> since I am one of the people who routinely adjusts the content there.
Brilliant.

Not part of this exchange, but I remember when the Navy Seals were testing and using 10mm and the FBI later adopted it... and they found the heavier load pressure was creating slide-fractures. The wear on the 10mm weapons was enough to retire them well before their anticipated life expectancy. The extra kick also made it harder to keep the weapon re-centered on the target.

>.22 short in subsonic ammunition is a favorite of the Israeli hit squads dispatched to hunt down Nazis in other countries after WW2.
Depending on elevation, ALL .22 shorts are subsonic

I'm a former bodyguard & navy seal and have been used as a material witness and ammunition and bullit specialist in court cases. This is literally and physically the only browser window I have open and I don't need to consult Wikipedia since I am one of the kangs who routinely adjusts the poor content there. Unlike yourself, some of us are actually educated & tip fedoras and don't require the use of Google to cycle factual information. Your dead kiddo!

Lol faget

Just ignore the trolls, user. I appreciated your info.