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still sounds like shit.

stop being close-minded

lostprophet? Never heard them though

Cat Stevens
Smashing Pumpkins

Haha dont worry they're shit. Boring, tame emo rock

burzum wasn't political
it was just lame

>2017
>not listening to nazi murderers

Jesus OP, tell Tyrone not to fuck your "girlfriend" too hard tonight

it's not even a good album
Even though death in june isn't confirmed of being nazis at all, this is a good example

t. homophobe

so where did you get that from

Douglas is a lovely gay person, you hate him for this.

I said OP's album isn't even good
I love Death in June, I'm just saying he's been given a bad reputation because of the nazi imagery they put in their work, so he makes a good example of art over artist

It's interesting though because DiJ are only called Nazis because of their artwork and there's barely anything to suggest otherwise outside of it. In fact, I think I'd say this is an example of art over artist where a Fascist would need to ignore the fact that it's made by a gay former radical leftist who has starred in hardcore gay pornography so they can enjoy the artwork.

Why do people think Filosofem is lame? First four songs are easily the best atmospheric black metal songs ever.

but only nazis or "apolitical libertarian" edgelords listen to them...

how new are you? Sup Forums is more contrarian than patrician

it's fucking boring
it's just some retard screeching unintelligible words over white noise

>white noise
Okay i can see your problem.

t. tone deaf brainlet

>you need a very high iq to understand my shit taste

Back to Church, Xtian!

Low test and low IQ's cannot understand Burzum so this makes sense

>DiJ are only called Nazis because of their artwork and there's barely anything to suggest otherwise outside of it
In the 90s Douglas gladly let neo-nazi record labels use his songs on pro-nazi compilations, and refused to perform at multiple shows once he found out the organizers or other bands there were active in antifa, anti-racist or similar movements.

>Not being a nazi means you're a cuck
I'm sorry you actually believe this, get out more ;'(

The album "But, What Ends When The Symbols Shatter?" has it's name taken directly from a documentary film about the fall of nazi germany.
They're not even a very good band desu, basically just a worse version of The Smiths but with nazi imagery.

Antifa are communists though, how is that a good thing? Remember Russia and East Germany?

PWR BTTM

Chris Clavin.

GISM
Dissection

>comparing Death in June to The Smith
They have absolutely nothing in common outside of the fact that they were both playing music related to post-punk at one point, and that they're from the UK

Im fairly culturally left and hate libertarians and enjoy DiJ immensly.
>Dougie P not engaging with the same groups that shut down his shows and accuse him of fascism.
if only there was some reason why.
>the smiths
surely you have some better comparison than this?

America: "Both are Britpop!".

who would actually want to listen to Pwr Bttm

>stop being close-minded
Only open-minded can truly appreciate murderers as human beings, is that right?

You've all called him brainlet, you've all already modified the Rick & Morty pasta, but no one provided a valid answer.

Learn Norwegian, also stop being a musical wimp.

Does...does it actually sound like white noise to you, or are you just memeing?

You may need to get your ears checked out, man.

>self defence is murder
Varg is a retard lunatic, but he had justifiable reasons to kill Euronymous.

god awful politics, fantastic music.

the music is god awful too.

>Learn Norwegian, also stop being a musical wimp.
Musical wimp? If you honestly belive metal is extreme, you're either underage or you haven't listened to enough music.

What's up with Cat Stevens?

He went pretty hardline for a while when he became a Muslim. Supposedly said Salman Rushdie should be killed, but I'm not sure if that was what he actually said or a misrepresentation of what he said.

But Varg is based.

I can overlook that.

Damn, that's mad. Thought he just made happy folk songs.

Listened to Tea For The Tillerman for the first time the other day. Wasn't too impressed. Father and Son is a good tune but the rest of it was quite forgettable.

Burzum is good and Varg is a cool person.

loc
choking victim

>Smashing Pumpkins
?

>The album "But, What Ends When The Symbols Shatter?" has it's name taken directly from a documentary film about the fall of nazi germany
cant find it sauce pls

DiJ is from straya

Probably just because Billy isn't exactly the easiest person in the world to like at times

Not originally, he moved there later in life

Dude has been Infowars for many years

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>remember murican propaganda

The only ones that seem in any way unlikeable were Lou and Nico desu
Rest are all pretty based desu

No right winger would play decent post-rock

kill yourself commie soyboy fag

>falling for russian propaganda
I mean, East Germany wasn't that bad I guess, but USSR under Lenin and Stalin was hell on earth

Literally a gay communist.

John Cale WAS tvu though, and he's fine.

John Maus

>being able to confront nationalist ideology with respect instead of ignoring its influence on art you appreciate makes you a nazi

why

why they gotta take it off spotify

Genuinely good question, being as they have stuff up on there by artists that did far, far worse than Matt did

The idea of "separating the artist from the art" is dumb, because the artist and the art are one and the same. The artist's values and ideals, developed over the course of their life, are embodied in their work. Nick Drake's music is great, but even better when you know that he killed himself. This isn't bullshit - the fact that he committed suicide lends his music a certain depth and meaning. You won't even be able to understand an artist's art unless you consider it within the context of the life they lived.
Shunning an artist's fascinating work and encouraging others to do so because the artist was morally off-base isn't just shortsighted, it's going to lead to the downfall of great art. Most artists who make great art are able to do so because they think differently than most people. "Thinking differently" means someone might be "fucked up." Being "fucked up" means someone might not be completely morally sound, and might do shitty things from time to time. This is going to get to the point that we're only hearing art from bland normies because the actual geniuses are too audacious for us to handle.

Explain.

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Album is The Flower Lane by Ducktails. Ducktails is the solo project of Matt Mondanile, former guitiarist in Real Estate and childhood friend of the singer in Real Estate. He got kicked out of Real Estate but no one knew why. Semi-recently it came out that he was kicked off for some sexual assault allegations and so all of the Ducktails music has been pulled from streaming services and Ducktails is no more.

>gay nazbol neofolk artist who's been in gay porn before
>a Nazi
Was it autism?

I wanted to post something to this effect but you did so very eloquently. Thank you.

>not finding burzum boring when you were younger then becoming a nazi later and getting into it

*teleports behind u*

Are they rightwing? I actually don't know

they made a christian album unironically that probably counts as right wing to most leftists

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It's not impossible to be Christian and leftwing.

Have they said that they are rightwing or not?

this is me lol

I feel like the only way I can feel totally clean listening to Burzum, is if I actually murder Varg Vikernes. And that wouldn't be worth it, because while Filosofem is interesting, it's not really that great.

oho, a double-sided one.

why do you need to separate varg from His music? they're one.

speaking about the show in general: yeah, you need to separate the artists from the art.

This compilation is amazing and if you don't at least acknowledge the comedic value or its catchiness, you are just a try-hard contrarian who doesn't like fun

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Don't try to talk to Lou Reed fans, you'll just get drug down to their level

You're welcome!

>yikes this guy is concerned about races protecting their cultures how problematic i better make sure to virtue signal about it

why would someone virtue signal on Sup Forums? I mean yeah it's one of the more liberal boards but it's still Sup Forums for fuck's sake

Jesus himself was left wing

Norway, Sweden should be concerned, but Britain, Italy, Spain, Germany and France deserve to burn desu. They destroyed races and cultures, now it's their turn. Karma's a bitch.

I know a very sjw girl that likes DiJ

New addition

i mean he's also a murderer

the murder isn't the reason he's a loon (or at least it's a very small part of it). It's because he actually believes the shit he posts on his website and the shit he spouts about racial cleansing and all that bullshit. like dude just fucking play your ice picky guitar and shut the fuck up.

>everyone that doesn't share my opinion should just shut up waahhhhh

Dougy P was in gay porn? Huh??

>In the 90s Douglas gladly let neo-nazi record labels use his songs on pro-nazi compilations, and refused to perform at multiple shows once he found out the organizers or other bands there were active in antifa, anti-racist or similar movements.
Good.

In the first paragraph you assume no artist could ever fool you and produce music that represents some sort of attitude or virtue that the artist doesn't in fact always possess. This really isn't the case. Professional artists are professionals for a reason.

And what you're describing is in fact separating the artist from the art in the second paragraph.

how degenerate they were and what narcissistic assholes they seemed to be is what made them awesome though
also why they are probably ground zero for punk

Sup Forums is full of soyboys