Should tipping be abolished?

Should tipping be abolished?

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In Australia nobody tips anyone

Not if you want people to give a shit about waiting.
It pays garbage and we all know how much effort goes into low paying jobs.
Not that I work for tips, I am the cook so I get no tips.
But honestly I am a cheapo and tip the socially obligated %15 flat.

Here's my opinion, get a flat tax percentage and make everyone pay it and give that to the waiters and pizza boys.

Or do it like most functional countries; wages you can live on.

yes, only america does it, and for shitty reasons. fucking get rid of it, and do what other countries do and actually pay servers real money.

abolishing should be abolished prove me wrong

It’s voluntary in most locations.
If a business insists on adding a mandatory tip, while it is their right to as a privately owned business, it is also your right to take your business elsewhere if you don’t wish to include a tip. Also your right to leave a poor review on Yelp, Zomato, etc. and explain why you do not support the place.

Obviously the food is too cheap to garner a wage for everyone, so we need to increase the food price, But so the owners can't pocket it, it's handled as a tax.

That's how it works anywhere else.

Good service for a full meal should be $5 in diners $10 in normal restaurants and $15 in high end. No more less. 15% is fucking nonsense. I work elderly care and the nursing assitants don't get tipped for literally cleaning up old people's shit. Don't try to tell me your job deserves extra money.

How much should a poopoo cleaner get tipped if there was such a thing?

Per turd.

Seems like you're fitting into the 15%, rule anyway. Well minus the diner, where you're probably at 25%

or just increase the prices by the flat percentage and pay everyone a fair wage... I mean if it is customary to pay 20% extra then why not just make the prices 20% higher in the first place?

you guys seem to never want to be up front with prices... you buy something from a store in the US and then you get to the till and they'll add on some "sales tax"... it isn't rocket science to include it in the price!

likewise someone wins the lottery over there and the press claim they won XXX million when it is total bullshit, they had some tax deducted + the jackpot figure is based on them taking a payment/having the cash invested for them in bonds over several years...

I'd just rather people just gave a price... perhaps that's me being OCD/autistic or something

I went out to eat last week with a girl I was trying to fuck. $200 for the meal for the two of us, $60 tip for him talking to us ten minutes total over the course of an hour. I swear to god that waiter is richer than me.

Most start at around $11-12 an hour where I work and like facilities. Considering they have loads of training and precautions with residents/patients, and custodians make about $16 an hour starting... I'd say they simply deserve more than that per hour. Tipping in general is stupid to me. Food delivery services are another story.

yeah the % make little sense tbh...

it is a very rough approximation... obviously someone looking after a big table has much more work to do...

but say you have a table of 4 with an average bill for 4 people and they order a very expensive bottle of wine, doubling their bill, they'd be expected to tip as much as the table of 8 with an average bill... even though the waiter serving the table of 8 has had to do double the amount of work in providing service etc..etc..

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Eh, sort of. More like; if I go to a diner for breakfast and order a $18 NY steak and eggs, a $2 coffee and have a $3 blueberry muffin to go or some shit... 15% would be 3.45. If they gave good service, kept my coffee filled, right cook on the steak, and it didn't taste like shit - upping it to $5 wouldn't be a problem. But if I go out on a breakfast date or some shit and we both get the same thing, $5 would be the tip with equal quality service. I shouldn't have to double my tip because you had to do your job with both hands.

Idk I'm tired, have mercy.

Yeah, last time I took someone out the tip alone equated to if I'd been eating out every meal for a few days. It's nonsensical. They're not therapists.

America is a strange land of contradictions, both weird and wonderful.

On one hand, you have extensive consumer protection and anti-false advertising laws. To the point where if you buy a kid's Superman cape they have to print a warning label on it saying "This item does not enable the wearer to fly." Or if you see an SUV in a commercial driving over a few rocks, there will be a huge disclaimer stating "Stunt is being performed by a professional on a closed course. Never actually do this with this product."

However, on the other hand, the price you see on any sort of good is never the price you pay. Americans would be stunned to learn that in the rest of the world, if a hammer is $20, then you put down $20 on the counter and the sale is done. Eating out at any sort of diner means that the goods are advertised at the lowest conceivable price and they make up the rest by sales tax and tipping.

The most ridiculous example of this I can think of was when I was holidaying in Florida, had a few minutes to kill, so looked on Auto Trader to see what a Corvette was going for. It was advertised at $20k. Not bad for something that will not be humiliated by a Porsche. I read the advert more, and the price did not include about eight additional forms of tax and extra. Sales tax, vehicle tax, on-the-road fee, 'convenience' fee, and several others. I think that this car would not have left the lot for less than $27k all in.

Absolutely no other country does this, unless you live in middle eastern Haggleville.

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This is the one thing that irks me the most. If I'm paying $50 for each of us at a nice restaurant, and we order an $80 bottle of wine (which is already marked up 100%, FAR more than the food is) I'm supposed to tip an additional $16 on the wine.

That's a $36 tip instead of a $20 tip, because of one single bottle of over priced grape juice.

>Wants wages you can live on
This is exactly the kind of greed which is hurting the economy.

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Regarding the car price, it's like that everywhere.

They show you the car with all features and add the price of the most basic model with a little *, you look at the bottom where the little * leads you and read that the price is for the most basic version available, pmuch scrap metal.

Then after you buy it, you have registration fees, insurance (which you're forced to pay by law), service check, co2 tax and a bunch of other shit.

Don't forget the vehicle delivery fee, advertising fee, vehicle preparation and cleaning fee, and documentation fee.

For those of you not in the united States and think im joking, no, those are real.

Plus tip to the whomever sold you the car.

Remember folks, tipping is just another word for tariffs.

Keep making America great again!

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You're simply wrong, prove me wrong feget.

NOOOO tipping is a good thing do do - by paying my emplayee extra you appreciate their work
also eat only raw steaks, well cooked are for tasteless peasants (and gas bills are SO expensive)

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Because our standard of wage is livable

I say yes. Pay them a decent wage so they don't rely on tips. The US is the only country that tips. I'm tired of paying high prices for a meal, then have to supplement the staffs pay

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Fuck yall as a server at a nice restaurant I usually make around 30/hour. Suck my dick about this living wage bullshit I love being a waiter

Should The BBC be abolished?
too many power in one mans pants in my opinion...

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Chain resturant workers dont deserve tips 90% of the time. This is coming from someone who tips 20% minimum. They're just fucking miserible cunts.

I work in a casino and in my situation there is no fucking way the casino would pay me as much as I make in tips. I've been doing this 20 years and I make good money. If they went to a flat salary or hourly wage i guarantee it would cut what I make in half or even less. They would probably have to hire a bunch of fresh off the boat asians to do it because mexicans and niggers cant do math. That would be a blast having dealers who cant speak english. Then i'd have to go get a real job which would suck.

Yes. It's a loophole for employers not to pay their staff decent wages.
Does human or corporate greed ever disappoint?

I literally make 3x the minimum wage with tips

and the cooks not, its an unfair system

Just don't tip, it's not like it's mandatory. And federal law dictates that there is a minimum wage that must be met, a lot of places that expect customers to tip pay like 1$ an hour even though that's way below federal and state minimum wage, but the catch is, if after tips they haven't reached minimum wage, the employer has to compensate for it and pay them at least enough to reach minimum wage.

TLDR don't tip, you don't have to, and the employer will have to foot the bill for something you shouldn't have to do in the first place

its not, that u should make it illegal - u should stop being idiots and stop tipping on your own

No, but the social burden and expectation of tipping should be abolished. So its rare and unexpected. like if and when you'v received outstanding service you could tip. Imagine people being friendly because they want to and not because of a money incentive behind. Most think tipping help the industry but it really doesn't, i would even imply it hurt waiter/client relationships.

Mandatory wage raises for servers. Abolish "socially required" tipping. Win/win.

I don't tip, I'm not paying you 5-15$ just for moving my food for 5-10 seconds, do your job right and you'll be paid, if your a tip hungry whore you should find another job...

>On one hand, you have extensive consumer protection and anti-false advertising laws
honestly its pretty shitty compared to most non-tipping western countries.

america does a bunch of things well but has a really misguided idea of what they are. your advertising/consumer protection laws are fucked.

i never tip because fuck those low-born idiots.
get a real job if you want more pay.

don't give beggars money.
they already get paid for their work.

>tipping is just another word for tariffs
Are you retarded?

>Should tipping be abolished?
only in yourope

only niggers tip

Chain restaurants are getting automated anyways

the food wasn't any cheaper when i was in america. the profit margins are obviously just fuck huge

Yeah or maybe get a skill and not carry my food to me as your career

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dont tip niggers

Some fancy restaraunts iin Providence RI don't allow tipping but they put a service charge of about 15% on your bill. Fuck them and their overpriced food."I went to Johnson & Wales. I can charge $20 for a burger.