I want an actual reason why this movie isn't a piece of shit. No memes or bullshit...

I want an actual reason why this movie isn't a piece of shit. No memes or bullshit, just please explain to me why this board jerks off to this movie.

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Because everyone here has terrible taste in entertainment

Contrarianism.

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literally no reason. those who say its good are just

1. students of armond "the fat faggot" white, aka, tryhard contrarians
2. DCucks

Is there an actual reason a thread has to be made about this failure of a movie everyday

It rhymes

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convoluted story, characters with little to no motivation, grimdark.

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>pleb samefagging
Why do marvelfags have such terrible taste?

DC easily has better villians than Marvel yet on the big screen all they've shown is
>GOD VS MAN DING DING DING DING DING
>HONKA HONKA
>Fucking Doomsday, a villian who literally exists to kill Superman and nothing else

Boring ass Zod is the best they have, it pisses me off. DC should be wiping it's ass with Marvel in having interesting villians, instead they're shitting things up so badly they had to bust out Harley and have her shake her ass at the screen 3 movies in just to keep it interesting.

"Boring-ass Zod" was more complicated, nuanced, and sympathetic than pretty much any villain in capeshit outside Magneto.

Lex was so good that plebs literally can't even grasp him.

It extremely deep and intelligent. You just didn't get it

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Zod is only slightly better than the average Marvel villian, he's about on par with the guy from Civil War in terms of complexity.

The Directors cut wasn't a jumbled piece of shit like the theatrical cut.

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Zod was complex? He literally was just a soldier/war monger trying to save his species. He was done well but that's not the most complex villain at all.

Hell thats the same amount of complexity Mads had in Doctor Strange. He wanted to save everyone by giving them everlasting life.

marvelcucks lmao

Really? Then why doesn't he move on and colonize Mars or something?

There is a right answer and it's pretty much the opposite of boring.

How the fuck is Lex even remotely a good villain? He's nothing like Lex, he has no motivation, he spontaneously knows things with no explaination and he acts like a fucking memester. DCucks unironically call Guardians of the Galaxy a reddit movie when it clearly just became that, Luthor on the other hand spend the every line of dialogue trying to be reddit the villain. Christ just look at that ending
>The bell cannot be unrung. He has found us! DING DING DING DING DING!

How the fuck does he know about Darkseid? What the fuck was even his problem? How did he figure out their identities? Why did he even create Doomsday? How the hell did creating Doomsday at all have any possible benefit to him at all?

Maybe I just don't understand the growing complexity of his dialogue. My favorite line is "DING DING DING DING DING", true kino writing right there.

Cause they needed the stupid MacGuffin thing

Nice logical fallacy bro

You made the assertion that the movie is a piece of shit so where is your supporting evidence?

His motivation is what Lex's motivations always are. You're just too blind to see it.

Why did they need it?

Is there anything more embarassing and pathetic that manchildren arguing over whose favored brand of cookie-cutter garbage children's entertainment is "better" in some sort of imaginary feud.

>he has no motivation
When will this meme die? They explicitly state his motivation in a scene devoted to it.
>he spontaneously knows things with no explaination
If this is about how you don't see how he knows Clark's and Bruce's identities, he's Lex Luthor he has ways. Did you need to see his henchmen tailing them?

No idea i think it unlocks something or has info

Insanity is like that. Also Lex always had a knack for building paranoia among the people. He became President this way.

The codex (an archive of kryptonian genetic history used to create a colony) is encoded in Clark's cells.

I just like it. I've been a DC fan since I was little with BTAS. I get people's complaints about it and some of them are fair. Some are just dickheads hating on it without knowing any of the source material that would explain it or try to use their brain to infer why certain characters would have motivations. I get it was put on a pedestal before being released and could never meet anybody's expectations. I obviously blindly gave it a 10/10 when I first saw it but watching it two more times I'd be reasonable and maybe give it a 7 or 8. It really doesn't deserve the hate it gets but the gripes about the way Warner bros vicariously handles this universe is fair criticism. The characters deserve better

His dad was mean to him, His dad loved god, His dad was mean to him because his dad loved god, Superman is a god, His dad was mean to him because of Superman.

>His dad loved god, His dad was mean to him because his dad loved god

Where are you getting this part from?

And the thirst for power. Knowing superman existed and basically, in his mind, looked down upon humans and him obviously made him greedy being an impulsive genius and all that.

Wasn't that what he was blabbering on about on the roof.

All it contained was the details of their genetics program. They didn't need it at all, so why did they want it so bad? Even better, do you remember where said Maguffin was?

Do you remember what it was called?

No he's was talking about his mom being a witch and the whole God isn't all powerful if he is all good. The scene about his father is when he is talking to the senator in his house

He never said anything about why his dad abused him.

>they didn't need it at all
Yes they did? They needed the codex because using that Dna code they could use the Genesis chamber and repopulate their species

The stuff about his dad being abusive is an obvious lie he's telling as a justification for what he's doing.

Lex is a sociopath, and he wants to kill Superman because hey, guess what, if God was among us, there would be a ton of sociopaths who would want to kill him.

No since me calling it a stupid MacGuffin thing

And what is a codex?

>The stuff about his dad being abusive is an obvious lie he's telling as a justification for what he's doing.

Justify to who? Superman? It was true, there's no reason for him to have lied about it.

>if God was among us, there would be a ton of sociopaths who would want to kill him.

>and of course I base this on absolutely nothing

The dialogue was too obtuse for casual audiences, requiring a great deal of mental gymnastics for it to make sense. That the plot was also told in a non-linear fashion didn't help things.

You're close, but why is just his death not enough? If it was, why not just give him the option of offing himself.

Lex wants Superman to do something, something very specific. What was it?

It's a skull that belonged to an ancestor of the kryptonian race. They used it to analyze sets of genetic code so they could predetermine a kryptonians societal role in life. Using that Dna they could copy and reproduce thousands of kryptonians to repopulate their species

He has literally no motivation
He wants Batman to fight Superman cause muh god vs man but then he goes and makes Doomsday (just in case?) even though Doomsday running about does not benefit him in anyway. If Doomsday defeated the heroes it would have rekt Earth and no one would have stopped him and he would have gained nothing. When he was arrested I sincerely wanted Batman to ask him if getting caught was part of his plan.

Destroy his own reputation by killing Batman?

Go look up the definition of the term. I'll wait.

While you're at it, think about why intermingling with humanity was so unacceptable to them.

The best part was when they pulled him out of the ship, hes just chilling in the scum-pool talking to literally satan (steppenwolfe), then when literally satan sees other humans he's all like, "shit lex I gotta go."

Then lex, in the prison cell, acts like it wasn't his fucking fault literally fucking satan is coming to earth.

He hates Superman for making him feel small, and he doesn't care if the world gets destroyed as long as he kills Superman.

They had a cloning machine and people from every caste (save the political cast that killed krypton), they literally had no use for the codex.

>Then lex, in the prison cell, acts like it wasn't his fucking fault literally fucking satan is coming to earth.

When does he act like it isn't his fault? In anything he seems gleeful that the Earth is doomed.

Correct. If you were to put together such a scheme, what would your out be?

I mean, it's obvious you can't let the alien and his kidnapped mom live to testify after the deed is done, so what do you do?

Exactly that. He's basically become their prophet at that point.

I'm just telling you what it is in the movie. I know what a codex is I don't care

Well you're here discussing it, so I'd say you care at least a little.

Again, why is co-existence with humanity unacceptable to Zod? What was it about their civilization that Zod refused to let go of?

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Hes talking about the bell being rung and can't be unrung, as if he wasn't the one to ring the bell.

Because of Martha?

No, seriously it was shit but on the other hand Civil war was shittier.

For all it's nonsense and try-hard nonsensical shit there is one thing BvsS got better than Civil War, and that's the conflict surrounding society regulation of super beings.

Off course the only movie that actually got this right so far is Watchmen but duh, Watchmen is actually one of the few super hero movies that it's actually a good movie.

Most of this cape shit movies are all fucking terrible or worse, forgettable altogether.

He obviously saw them as a lower species. Why wouldn't that be the obvious motivation. He saw them as not fit to live among the likes of his people who explored the stars already. They were primitive

Oh, they had a use for it, all right. The codex contained not just their past, but their extrapolated future.

Why does Zod refuse to consider moving forward without it?

You just answered your own question

Primitive, yes, but still sentient. I know humanity doesn't exactly have a stellar track record with dealing with less-advanced cultures, but do the Kryptonians' actions in general, and Zod's in particular, strike you as the actions of an advanced, enlightened species making logical decisions?

Remember in Superman 2, Zod wanted revenge for being sent into the Phantom Zone. I miss when things weren't needlessly convoluted

My baby boy, things were never simple.

You act as if the Codex was their only option.

>tfw you remember when comic book movies were actually really bad
You don't even have to like the movie but it's ridiculous that BvS and Apocalypse were shit on as much as Catwoman or Daredevil.

He's not acting as if it wasn't him. He's gloating.

Gloating while snot was running down his face

Come on Superman was just a good guy trying to do the right thing. Lex in those was just a greedy asshole. Pretty straight forward.

Strong emotions of many kind bring tears, not merely sadness. Watch some Brad Dourif performances sometime.

Lex is still a greedy asshole. Real estate just isn't his bag this time around.

See .

Because sometimes it's funny to say that something is good while clearly making the point that it's actually bad by praising it for reasons that everyone knows to be made up.

Also because it's an effective way to go against all the Marvel absurd hype when, as bad as BvS was, it's not as if the Marvel movies were actually any better.

Gloating is when you laugh at the person. Hahaha I've beaten you Batman and all the world will burn hahahah, that would be gloating. his performance was him having a break down not gloating.

Sure am glad you don't write movies.

He's killed Superman, summoned gods, but for all his intellect and resources, he's now a known criminal in a cell. It's a bitter victory and very much not the one he wanted, but it's still a win, and in his own eyes, he will soon be vindicated.

Watch some fundy preachers talking about the Judgement, sometime. It's exactly the same vibe.

Think glasses would fool me I'm the world's greatest detective.

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we had this exact same thread yesterday, so I'll post my same copy+pasta

First off I really enjoy seeing Superman grow. Him growing into the ultimate hero is rarely explored, and is some of the best parts of Birthright and Secret Identity. I like that through MoS and BvS, Superman's arc has followed the heroes journey almost to a t. To the point where the metaphorical death and rebirth becomes literal. One of the key elements of the heroes journey is that at the end the hero brings back the "boon" or "elixir" making the world a better place. I believe that exactly this will happen, that the plan from the beginning, at least once they started conceptualizing or entertaining the idea of a larger shared universe, was to have Superman bring the world, one that intentionally tries to reflect our own, to a better place, one that more reflects a more classic heroic setting.

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For example, Superman is put in a no win situation by Zod in MoS. Zod tells Superman he is going to have to kill him or else people die. Flat out forcing Superman to choose between humans and kryptonians. Superman killed Zod of course, mirroring a moment from Byrne's Man of Steel run, but not without it coming back to haunt him in the form of Doomsday. In BvS Superman is presented with yet another ultimatum, kill Batman or Martha dies. This time Superman chooses the third way, learning from the first time with Zod, and instead decides to be honest with Batman and ask him for help. They even illustrate this arc within Superman further by having him first just trounce Batman's Batmobile and order him to stop (since with Zod all that worked was overpowering him). That doesn't work, so next time he sees Batman he tries to talk to him, but suffers for making the mistake of once again just using force. But he again makes the mistake of fighting back, and again pays for it. But once he finally stops trying to fight and just asks for help "to save Martha" he starts winning Batman over. And its not until Lois, Superman's loving anchor, is even more honest, revealing Martha to be his mother, does Batman finally help him. Superman, then, ultimately has to sacrifice himself because of the mistake he made in MoS. This does another thing I really adore about the movies, it takes iconic parts from the comics and synthesizes them into one narrative without making them just empty shoutouts, it instead uses these moments to add to the narrative and themes. And its not just moments like what I mentioned above from Byrne.

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One of the best examples of such integration of the comics is how it uses key scenes from Dark Knight Returns (even doing a 1:1 remake of the death scene) as way to deconstruct it. I know for a lot of people deconstruction is a trigger word, so if you want you can instead say an inversion. While DKR had Batman very much in the right, BVS puts Batman on the wrong side. BvS turns Batman into the reactionary stooge that upholds the status quo, which was Superman's role in the comic. They also have the same dead Robin plot point, but this Batman never gets a new one. Batman fights Superman, but this time he goes in with the purpose of killing Superman instead of faking his own death. When Superman is nuked, it is from America instead of the commies, and he willing takes a blast to defeat a monster instead of trying to defend the earth. He also rejuvenates from the sun in space instead of sucking solar energy from Earth (as he does in the comic). And last but not least, in BvS Superman dies with a hint of him coming back instead of Batman. This kind of engagement with the past and with the stories that came before, the homages and commentaries on past comics, that is one of the aspects that makes the long 75+ years of Batman and Superman so fantastic to me, and BvS carries on in that tradition.

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I'm sure you're all sick of reading this, but now that I've typed so much I figure I'll continue with a few other bits I enjoy. To go back to Superman redeeming Batman, there is an intended meta element to it too I feel. Batman is an old character in BvS, and he is an old character in the movies. He has had many more movies than Superman has, and it all these movies (except for the Adam West one and the black and white serials) has has killed people. And we have been fine with this. In the movies, we the public and our inherent jadedness have turned Batman into a killer, much in the same way the universe Superman enters in BvS has turned Batman into a killer. Its not until he shares a screen with Superman does the public question why he kills and start asking for the no kill code back. And at the end of the movie he gets it back, after Superman sacrifices himself and proves to Batman, and the world, that he is indeed just a force of a good, or as Batman says it "men can still be good". Its illustrated when Batman corners Lex in his prison cell and does't brand him (instead opting for more classic Batman scare tactics). Even in the comics Batman started out killing, but once he became more integrated into the larger superhero universe they started telling stories where had a no kill rule. And this brings me to, you guessed it (sorry if my pattern is getting predictable) another thing I loved about these movies. They find ways to look at the big picture of a character, like Batman, see how the character has changed over its entire history, and make it part of the story.

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In fact they do the same thing with Lex Luthor. Lex always started off having a full head of hair and being a crazy mad scientist. like he was in BvS There are examples of this throughout the golden age, and a few times in the silver age. Its also re-tread by Birthright and Gene Hackman in the Reeves movies. We see the beginning of Lex's passionate hate for Superman, to the point where he lets it derail his speech at the library fund raiser. We also get to the classic Lex move of him dominating and controlling every conversation he is in. And those he can't control he gets rid of. By the end of the movie we see Lex much more stone faced and cold (sans the scene chewing bell speech, though I don't mean that in a bad way) and finally with a shaved head. A transition into the modern age Lex who keeps a more precise and calculated public persona.

I don't have much to say about this last point, other than I thought it was neat that Wonder Woman regains faith in humanity parallel to Batman, and humanity, (re)gaining faith in Superman, and by extension the superhero.


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I guess really I love that the movie gives me so much to chew on, and that every time I watch it I see a new little thing. Like last time I saw it, I noticed that after Batman's nightmare about dictator Superman, his worst fear about what Superman can become, its followed by Superman looking at the photos of Batman's dead victims in jail. Which is Superman's worst fear about how bad Batman can become. Or how the movie gets progressively more saturated with color as it goes on, the world literally becoming a more colorful and bright place. Or how the bat-creature in Bruce's dream is a homage/twist to a deleted scene from Val Kilmer Batman. I love all these layers it intertwines almost effortlessly.

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MOAR!

> Lex is literally manipulating every character throughout the film
> people think that he ever reveals his true motivation

It's pretty obvious that he planned to kill Superman with Doomsday and then assemble the Justice League in order to stop it, thereby letting him assume Superman's place as a symbol of moral authority.

As a billionaire philanthropist, Lex was master of the material world. However, his personality kept him far removed from the spiritual man. He saw the death of Superman as a way to enter that world as a God. Discovering Darkseid was just a coincidence.

Why else do you think he had a fucking graphic designer create logos for each hero? He clearly intended to create the Justice League, with him as the leader and beneficiary of their actions.

Yup, you and I are on the same page. I'm not even sure he cared all that much about living once his scheme fell apart.

Too bad you got no quints :3

i actually just watched it on a lark
it's not that bad, but it was the extended edition

it kept me more interested than marvel's non-captain america outings, but that might be because i found the whole superman dilemma interesting as opposed to "blah blah big evil"

If you're interested, I can offer up some crazy ideas I have about the deeper messages of these first two DC movies.

They're a big part of why I love them.

tell that to zod's snapped neck

Still waiting for a similar analysis of Dr Quips

I wish you guys could let that go. He was laughing with you and stated multiple times I wrote that in only a couple of hours.

*he wrote

I haven't actually seen Man of Steel
which probably makes me a loser, but i watched it mostly out of interest to see how Batman was done
so it was weird that i ended up caring about Superman more

i might watch that some other time