What's the best socialist music?

What's the best socialist music?

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I AINT MARCHING ANYMORE

How is Ochs socialist music?

He was a socialist who sung songs about socialism?

Sorry but could you give me some examples?

Are you baiting?

The Refused

>being this dense

Billy Bragg
The Clash
Gil Scott-Heron

'the liberals -10 degrees to the left of center in good times, 10 degrees to the right if it effects them personally'

LOL

Propagandhi has always been solid

National socialist music
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Its not nearly as solid as their later stuff, but Protest the Hero's early stuff is pretty far-left

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It's the other way around.

>>>good music
>>>Synthwave

i think we're done here folks

Well, he's no longer an anarchist, but Pat the Bunny has a lot of good songs with socialist/anarchist themes under his ten thousand different bands.

Your pet minorities admired nazi punk aesthetics far more than your faggoty commiefolk aesthetics.
Anything is better than "American '''''folk'''' singer-songwriter" music. You can still be commies and assblast Phil Ochs like Henry Cow did, but commies are part of a destructive force of nature and generally have few legitimately creative ideas.

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victory lap was le drumpf shit they are basically liberals now

Nice. Pic related is favorite Propagandhi album.

>>>unironic Nazi in 2017
>>>"le commies are uncreative"
>>>is part of a mass hivemind whose ideological foundations are anti-individualist by their very nature.
>>>literally burned books and destroyed art and music by non-Germans

You have to stop Franz, this meme is too much for me right now.

>>>>"le commies are uncreative"
>>>>is part of a mass hivemind whose ideological foundations are anti-individualist by their very nature.

Unless you're in a real thin ideological margin there I fail to see how you can say something anti-individualist isn't stifling to creativity while also disagreeing with the notion Communism doesn't produce fruitful creativity.

Individualism and collectivism is a false binary. Nationalist morality is rooted in natural tribalism. Competition between members of the group is essential to prepare for conflict between groups, including in thought and art. Individualism can't be carried to the extreme of degrading the collective and vice versa. National socialists must be some of the most individualistic people on the planet, because their ideas are uniquely legislated against in dozens of countries.
I wouldn't call myself a national socialist really. I'm still learning a lot and wouldn't commit to the label, and I think it's counter-productive even if I was fully aware of everything about national socialism and agreed with it all.
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I was just fucking around and bantering in all actuality. I'd say out-and-out commies and socialists have produced much more noteworthy art than out-and-out nazis, although I would say there has been more noteworthy art than that focused on aesthetics that are compatible with nazism. Being a nazi is still virtually unthinkable.

Don't know why I said "art" when I meant "music". I'm still talking about music. Pls don't ban.

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I mean, that's where I'm at, in a very abstract sense, so I feel you. The leftists have done better on art, I've loved the rare right wing art, art is important, art as I define it agrees more with leftist definition, being an actual Nazi is, as you eloquently put it, virtually unthinkable. I have no comfortable, easily defined home here.

I forgot exactly where I was going to take this, but I'm somehow surprised to see someone in a similar position to myself. I don't think of myself as wholly unique, but this is definitely a niche, if not transitional belief to hold, so it's still a shock, especially since you generally spoke in a way I agree with even to posts I didn't make..

I am not a fan of the modern day or even considering any of these options, so I get a bit misanthropic with music. I'm sick of ideology defining everything rather than coloring it.

right wing art is objectively better if you have real taste desu

This is a lot of feel good, sunshine rhetoric to describe an ideology whose hit singles are "weak nations are garbage and deserve to be conquered", "Intermarraige between the races is literally a sin against your parent race", and "muh ethnostate", but then again when that's all you have to hold on to when your ideology lost so badly that they were legislated against because of their industrialized murder of millions of people, you take what little you can get I guess.

And "individualism and collectivism are a false binary!" well I'm not arguing from the "Nazis are anti-individualistic therefore are collectivist" point. I'm arguing instead from the point of that fascism is inherently a racial-collectivist idea of bringing your ethnic group together and creating virtually a single political unit. The entire idea of fascism is removing internal differences and predicating differences between nations on racial lines, not nationalist, ideology, religious, etc. Having internal divisions in a country to fascists is incomprehensible.

This roleplay has been fun, but I think it's time to stop while you're still only at the stage of "Nazis are the MODERN counter-culture now!", crack open some books, and take some time off of Sup Forumsiticking and go do something productive.

Yes, but depending on your definition of right wing. It's definitely rarer and often deeper, but it really depends on where you say the line is.

>removing internal differences and predicating differences between nations on racial lines, not nationalist, ideology, religious, etc.

You aren't necessarily wrong on framerwork or how most idiots interpret it, but I don't think you've read a single book or real overlook of Fascism before to believe it works exclusively on racial lines. Hell, if you want to call out a boogeyman, Sup Forums fairly consistently bitches about civil nationalists and the like. There's absolutely a diversity of opinion and implementation there on groups you'd generally call "Fascist" even if they wouldn't take that ideology.

Part of why I think left wing art is better is because in that post war period of the 20th century where a lot of the classic rock/pop/etc music we praise today originated the world order was largely conservative. Religion was still very prevalent, you still had censorship laws and screeds against decency and obscenity and premarital sex and whatnot in the anglosphere. Also during the cold war so leftism was considered the "enemy" in the west. The best art comes from creative minds obviously, who tend to be more free-spirited, outside the box, individualist iconoclasts who want to challenge the status quo. These creative individualist types were attracted to left wing ideals because they challenged the prevailing order. The status quo culturally was right wing at the time, and the creatives, intelligentsia, and young people were left wing in response. Today, that generation has grown up and gained a lot of power (not politically as much but culturally), so now ironically the status quo is now left wing. Don't forget in the 50s and 60s the "normies" still listened to lawrence welk and country gospel and thought elvis was edgy, or safe yacht rock in the 70s. Now, the mainstream art/media/culture (again not talking about who is in the white house or government, strictly art and culture) is pretty anti-religious, conservative, pro lgbt, pro-egalitarian, etc, and in order to be challenging that you'd probably have to spout some right wing non pc views. The prevailing values and order in pop culture are left wing because of that previous shift. Creative young people will see most of their peers and the media spout left wing views, so making songs saying fuck trump or "transgenders are cool & muslims 2" or "fuck war" or something won't be considered edgy or challenging or provocative. That's why i think we'll see more right wing art develop in the coming years.

interesting theory but i think it's just artists tend to be more open minded and that correlates with leftism and anti-authoritarianism

> so now ironically the status quo is now left wing.
only retards believe this

unironically RATM as far as more modern stuff goes, even if people make fun of the fanbase for being teenage armchair revolutionaries or whatever

GY!BE is anarchist so that kinda counts but it depends whether you're talking the general broad sense of socialism, specifically Marxism or some other branch of socialist ideology

in the art and media world it is

that's the point

ratm