Arctic sea ice ‘to disappear for first time in 100,000 years’

But Pol, you told that climate change was a Jewish conspiracy!

>The Arctic is on track to be free of sea ice this year or next for the first time in more than 100,000 years, a leading scientist has claimed.


>Professor Peter Wadhams, head of the Polar Ocean Physics Group at Cambridge University, told The Independent that the latest figures largely bore out a controversial prediction he made four years ago.
>"My prediction remains that the Arctic ice may well disappear, that is, have an area of less than one million sq km for September of this year," he said. "Even if the ice doesn't completely disappear, it is very likely that this will be a record low year. I'm convinced it will be less than 3.4 million sq km [the current record low].
>"I think there's a reasonable chance it could get down to a million this year and if it doesn't do it this year, it will do it next year. Ice free means the central part of the Arctic and the North Pole is ice free."
>Most of the remaining ice within the Arctic Circle would be trapped among the myriad of islands along Canada's north coast.
>The last time the Arctic was clear of ice is believed to be about 100,000 to 120,000 years ago.

Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial#/media/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png
motls.blogspot.com/2014/05/global-warming-vs-climate-change.html
geology.com/sea-level-rise/
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

haven't they said this every fucking year since An Inconvenient Truth came out?

Last winter was the highest recorded of ice in the world. Nice try Jew or puppet of the Jew

Yeah. Conservatives are right about many things, but when they deny basic science like it's some sort of religious belief, they look like fucking retards.

I love how he backpedals and moves the goalposts 'well, if it doesn't melt it'll still be low'

what a faggot, even if you believe in climate change, this is cringeworthy fedora shit.

I'm 30 years old and if I got a penny for every time I heard this fucking prediction on tv I could buy a burger maybe

>The last time the Arctic was clear of ice is believed to be about 100,000 to 120,000 years ago.

Were humans responsible for that too?

that fucking image

>Researchers tracked 52 sows in the southern Beaufort Sea off Alaska with GPS system collars; no boars were involved in the study due to males' necks being too thick for the GPS-equipped collars. Fifty long-distance swims were recorded; the longest at 354 kilometres (220 mi), with an average of 155 kilometres (96 mi). The length of these swims ranged from most of a day to ten days.

>The polar bear may swim underwater for up to three minutes to approach seals on shore or on ice floes.

Just because it's real doesn't mean it's not a Jewish conspiracy. Also, good dubs.

Wow are you telling me the weather and climate of the Earth changes????

Trying to get your shitposting tittle back from Canada huh?

>ice may well disappear, that is, have an area of less than one million sq km for September of this year

1 million square kilometers is not "disappearing" kike

Anyone have the link that proves that the US institute for ice or w/e it is called had faked their numbers about the melting icecaps?

>canada
psssh, straya is a real life shitposter

Show me satellite data that shows a warming trend please. None of that urban reading heat island bullshit thanks.

THIS

This has happened before, it's a natural process

fuck the tiny variation of plankton that might go extinct in 200 years

THE WEAK SHALL PERISH

The Earth is only 2016 years old your data is false!

The only thing that I worry about is Mercury and acidification of the ocean... Not that humans are the only thing that caused or will cause that in history but has it been in that state since we have reached this point? Oceans are important to us, we need unlimited energy and desalination maybe?

>urban heat island
t. Anthony Watts

Nobody denies climate change. They deny that it's being influenced entirely by mankind and that we need to instill measures to curb our impact. They believe that climate change is a natural occurrence.

Damn, your reasoning is flawless.

Guess all I can do now is kill myself

How was he wrong you humorless kraut, it wasn't a joke and it wasn't informative so what are you doing here faggot.

Why are you guys so against accepting climate change and it originating from humans? If it were a hoax the worst thing that could happen as a result of trying to combat global warming is we increase air quality and save some biodiversity. Seriously asking not trying to take a side.

Because it's being used to excuse over regulation of industries only in the first world to sink western society and usher in larger bureaucracy to maintain those regulations. They've been red for longer than they were environmentalists and you're late to the party.

...

>worst thing that could happen as a result of trying to combat global warming is we increase air quality and save some biodiversity

Which would be great except governments keep wanting to fuck around with stupid proposals like co2 taxes and solar power instead of investing in nuclear.

once again you cunts get it wrong.

The world is "warming" i.e changing but the talk about it being fossil fuels or CO2 is what's bullshit.

Natural cycle.

What exactly is the downside to global warming? I'm still trying to figure this one out. Life on earth will have more access to resources than it did in the past 60 million years. This is amazing. CO2 is the limiter on plant growth, so we will see more massive plants like we did in Dinosaur eras. O2 is the limiter on Animal growth so we will be blue to breed bigger and better animals, or at least more.

Pics or didn't happen.

middle ages were warmer too, must have been all those CO2 spewing factories... oh wait.

probably all those horses farting

BAN ASSAULT HORSES

>The Arctic is on track to be free of sea ice this year or next for the first time in more than 100,000 years

I BET IT WAS ALL THOSE CARS THE GIANT SLOTHS WERE DRIVING!

The worst thing that could happen is we start taxing people for exhaling c02 into the atmosphere.
(which is actually what the Jews are trying to do)

>scientists say wallaby gut bacteria is more efficient than cow gut bacteria; they eat the same food, but wallaby gut bacteria leads to far less methane being produced
>excitement; could they replace cow gut bacteria with wallaby gut bacteria and significantly reduce agricultural methane production

>no
>turns out wallabies continously burp methane instead of farting it out like cows
>methan levels roughly equivalent; wallabies constantly burp out small amounts, cows let loads out in occasional farts

JUST

Yes nuclear is a good option. It's already used to good effect (80% of France's energy is nuclear). US doesn't allow recycling of nuclear waste which can be used in the production process. Not to mention after 50 years of use a plant and the land around it has to be quarantined for 100 years (I think it's 100).

Yeah they just measured a similar increase on mars. looks like it's the sun

>burger

it's pretty hard to assess the threat from global warming.
On the one hand you have events like the End Permian event, which was the biggest extinction in Earth's history and was associated with a massive release of Carbon into the air (and therefore run-away climate change).
Then you have events like the paleocene eocene thermal maximum, which also was a period of rapid climate change, but only saw the extinction of certain groups of unicellular marine organisms, while terrestrial vertebrates rather flourished.

But then again, you have to ask to what extent these events can't be used as analogies, since both of them were processes that spanned several 10s of thousands of years, while we operate in a timespan of a couple 100 years

I think the stat is 60% of the human population lives in the "coastal zone" much of which could be put under water with minimal sea level rise. That's a huge loss of useable land and cities. The changes you're describing would take hundreds and hundreds of years

NEVERMIND GUYS, WE GONNA BE FINE. FALSE ALARM!!!

“Earth Day” 1970 Kenneth Watt, ecologist: “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”

****

April 28, 1975 Newsweek “There are ominous signs that Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically….The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it….The central fact is that…the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down…If the climate change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic.”

****

1976 Lowell Ponte in “The Cooling,”: “This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.”

****

July 9, 1971, Washington Post: “In the next 50 years fine dust that humans discharge into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuel will screen out so much of the sun’s rays that the Earth’s average temperature could fall by six degrees. Sustained emissions over five to ten years, could be sufficient to trigger an ice age.”

****

June, 1975, Nigel Calder in International Wildlife: “The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population.”

>Oh no, a species will go extinct, even though hundreds go extinct every year due to varying factors, but polar bears were in Coke commercials so they're special.

I just cranked my AC down ten degrees.

I think this logical fallacy is called the slippery slope.

Fuck! I just traveled back in time eight whole fucking years!

I'm gonna hate to see all those sad polar bears.

Oh wait...

Earth is cooling. There has been no rise in temperature since 1990 and the average temp has decreased since 2004.

The sunspot cycle is at a minimum, the solar Maunder Minimum is approaching, and it's been nearly 1,500 years since the last mini ice age, with the average occurrence of mini ice-ages occurring roughly every 1100-1300 years.

Not only are we overdue for a mini ice age, but all of the sun's behaviors in the last few decades indicate that a massive weakening of the magnetosphere, and thus a loss of temperature, is but a generation or two away.

If you are under the age of 40 I suggest you invest in a good parka.

You mean our understanding of science has improved in the last 40 years!? No this must be a conspiracy

>a single ecologist
>a newsweek article
>a random author
>a Washington Post article
>a "climate skeptic"

even when assuming that you didn't mis-quote any of these sources, it's still a pretty pathetic lot you got there to make the point I think you're trying to make.

epin copypasta I made and keep posting in these threads because you dumb faggots can never come up with answers that aren't "hurr just google it m8 like a lot of scientists agree but never published their methodology or anything, they just agree so appeal to authority":

Prove it is:

A: happening (which I don't doubt).

B: can be directly linked to human actions like burning fossil fuels

C: post specifics, how the parts the humans are doing is actually significant. Like what percent is our fault.

D: post specifics, about just how fast "climate is changing" since "global warming" is no longer the meme term. I want real statistics like "we are getting X warmer every year and I will have to worry about it in Y years becuase Z happened and is devastating"

E: post specifics, about just why I should give two fucks if hipsters faggots have to move their shitty cities 2 miles inland while I pay for retarded infrastructure that would probably cost more

F: if all of that is all real and shit, why I would care if it's as tragic as the lefty faggots think, when they're all just destroying our countries and children's futures with mass immigration of mudslimes and taconiggers and increased socialism to support these subhumans

G: Explain how wind turbines that are complete and utter shit, cost more fossil fuels to build and transport and assemble and shit than they save over their liftime and only work in wind, but not too much wind so you have to use tradition power sources anyway, how solar isn't complete shit that get ruined by dust, only works during the day, without clouds or fog or any retard with an umbrella is within 20 miles

H: Explain why we should be pouring billions of my taxpayer money into this when it is proven the private sector is many times more efficient than any government grant program or research fund. If a company makes and patents the next big innovation in energy, they will quite literally become one of the biggest companies in existence

Environmental Alarmists are the religious fanatics, friendo.

...

>But Pol, you told that climate change was a Jewish conspiracy!
No, climate change doomsday is a liberal faggot conspiracy, a very poor one.

Hey, what happened to all those cat 4/5 hurricanes Gore and Bill Nye and everyone else said we would get after Katrina due to global warming/climate change?

And here it's been 127 months without a major hurricane making landfall

very quick answer to B:
anthropogenic Carbon can be isotopically distinguished from other carbon sources, so we know the increase in CO2 isn't due to volcanoes or something like that.

his sitting on the head of a huge female made of ice

Does anyone else remember around 2005 when they said there would be no more ice left at the north pole in 2015?

Or in the early 90s when it was a fact that by the time we had kids they would ask us "what were trees like?"

They were also volcanic events that stretched across the entirety of a continent. There is no correlation to today.

OH SHIT! THE SKY REALLY IS FALLING! I'M TOO YOUNG TO DIE!!

January 2000 Dr. Michael Oppenheimer of the Environmental Defense Fund (in a NY Times interview) on mild winters in New York: “But it does not take a scientist to size up the effects of snowless winters on children too young to remember the record-setting blizzards of 1996. For them, the pleasures of sledding and snowball fights are as out-of-date as hoop-rolling, and the delight of a snow day off from school is unknown.”

****

1969, Lubos Moti, Czech physicist: “It is now pretty clearly agreed that CO2 content [in the atmosphere] will rise 25% by 2000. This could increase the average temperature near the earth’s surface by 7 degrees Fahrenheit. This in turn could raise the level of the sea by 10 feet. Goodbye New York. Goodbye Washington, for that matter.”

****

Michael Oppenheimer, 1990, The Environmental Defense Fund: “By 1995, the greenhouse effect will be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…”(By 1996) The Platte River of Nebraska will be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers…The Mexican police will round up illegal American migrants surging into Mexico seeking work as field hands.”

****

June 30, 1989, Associated Press: U.N. OFFICIAL PREDICTS DISASTER–entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos,” said Brown, director of the U.N. Environment Program. He added that governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect.

But what about the net gain of now arable, temperate land in Russia and Canada for agriculture? Wtf do I care if coastal niggers and Jews sink into the sea?

...

AFAIK the current consensus among climatologists is that the overall number of hurricanes will decrease (due to stronger wind shear in the troposphere), but the ones that do make landfall will be more powerful

Oh god thanks for reminding me of the Tree Museum meme.

>current consensus
Funny how whimsical these assholes are. It's almost like they don't even use the scientific method, or something.

OK then why has at LEAST one cat 1 or 2 storm made landfall every year since then?

My Mom lives in NC and every time there's a hurricane I call her to ask what its like.

"Windy. And rainy."

That's it.

...

I'm just glad that the climate deniers are such science experts! All their lives they've lived by the scientific method and used it to test a myriad of things. I'm glad to know the that the deniers have spent their lives critiquing scientific research and that this isn't the very first time since high school they've ever cared about the quality of a set of data.

>this meme again
Arctic sea ice is on a downward trend and has been for the last 20 years.

Doomsayers love to use it as a meme to predict the end of the world because "it's not happened for 100,000 years" - despite the fact that in the previous inter-glacial period, there was no free sea ice AT ALL during the warm maximum.

Why? Arctic sea ice is 2 metres thick in winter. Compare this to the icecap on top of Greenland at an average of 4,000m thick and you see why it's literally nothing.

In fact, the Greenland ice sheet has barely budged in terms of outflow rate for the last 30 years, despite the decline in summer maximum of sea ice.

>Wow, it's fucking nothing

Read the sticky, you stupid faggot.

I'm just glad you're mature enough not to attempt to belittle your ideological opponents and belive you're making an argument in doing so

Not an arrangement :^)

>colored lines
that's offensive, they oughta be called lines of color

i see it

what if we nuke the ice caps?

bam

no more extra water to worry about

>"it's not happened for 100,000 years"
Just curious, how does one even make this prediction? What is it based on?

I'm finish up an environmental biology degree so I'll quickly answer these and my sources would be lectures and my text books - I'm sure you could search for specifics from what I've said here.

A. Irrelevant as you already agree

B. I would have to explain how the lower levels of the atmosphere work - but basically it can be explained by the greenhouse effect.

C. The main greenhouse gases are in someway caused by human actions;
CO2: burning fossil fuels
Water vapor: naturally occurring but also caused by large scale industrial farming and irrigation
Methane: large scale animal husbandry (cows/pigs) and waste (land fills)

D. I don't have these stats off hand

E. This is retarded

F. What

G. The carbon footprint of creating turbines is offset within months. Renewable energy is the answer going forward. There are cons with the current technology of course. Solar can only be used in sunny parts of the world and not at night. Photovoltaic solar uses silica which can requires a lot of fresh water to produce. Wind turbines are ugly, loud and often have to be placed far away from where the power is needed.

H. Pouring tax payer money into what exactly? The EPA? Explain what you meant

This is some racist science. It indicated 15 000 years ago the earth was cold, so it does mean the egyptian was white because white people live in cold and black in hot. But we all know Egyptians was black. Checkmate science.

did climate change cause the ice to melt 100,000 years ago?

>It's not happened in "x" years, therefore it's extraordinary
>picking an arbitrary length of time to support your supposition

We've had multiple glaciation events throughout the last geological epoch. Each has varied in intensity and duration - along with similar effects in the inter-glacial warm periods. Cherrypicking the last 100,000 years - which puts us at the last warm period - is stupid.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial#/media/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

>higher temperature at 125k years ago
>Correspondingly smaller icecap
>Purecoincidence.jpg

I have one, it's so comfy

Yeah. That was those stupid Neandertals and their SUVs.

>emoticons
Fuck off back to wherever you crawled from.

Climate science is crackpot smokery okey-dokey bullcrap

There's a top quantum physicists that makes fun of climate scientists because they usually can't grasp the most basic concepts like solving systems of several layers using differential equations. In other words, their models and predictions are worthless because climate scientists are poorly educated charlatans.

He has debunked every single climate alarmist argument:

motls.blogspot.com/2014/05/global-warming-vs-climate-change.html

Why would a climate scientist need to solve systems with differential equations. Why would a physicist think he knows more about climate science than them? This is retarded.

>might
>likely
>reasonable chance

Then he'll just retract in 3 years like they always do and pretend it'll happen soon anyway.
He already did this shit 4 years ago just read the article.

If you're a climate scientist and you don't regularly say those bullshit they'll make you lose your job and reputation because you're breaking the concensus and might reduce the fundings.

Literally the jews.

THE RAREST OF THEM ALL

lies, lies, lies oooohh lies

if it does indeed cool, vegas will actually be habitable from june-september. sweet

Hey your flag even looks like a sliced watermelon

>Why would a climate scientist need to solve systems with differential equations
Because you have to, unless you want your models to be highly inaccurate. Oh wait.

>Why would a physicist think he knows more about climate science than them?
Why wouldn't them? Physicists are highly trained in mathematics, solving complex systems and physics. Far more educated and ready to tackle the issue than any climate scientist can hope to be. The specific content related to climate is no big deal.

>why would a scientist modeling rates of change need to model them with equations describing rates of change

good point. and i will play the "paths carved into the alps in the 17th century that nowadays disappear into glaciers" card once again

It's not that climate science is some impossible to grasp concept, but you aren't going to understand shit like gaseous content of each level of the atmosphere and what levels are relevant I'd youre not taught it. It serves to think someone trained in a specific field would know more than one who isn't

geology.com/sea-level-rise/

...

>You may also see that methods such as differential equations or dimensional analysis - and order-of-magnitude estimates - go well beyond Weart's abilities when he repeatedly says that having "many layers" of gases makes the whole situation extremely difficult. It is not that difficult and a good physicist knows how to solve the differential equations that arise in this context.

lmao, how can climate science ever recover

What is that flag?

Climate science is 2+2 for a quantum physicists. And he's been writing about it for years, destroying every argument with irrefutable precision.

Liberals only "believe" in science that fits their agenda. The second you bring up racial science or basic sexual dimorphism they set their pseudo-science lasers to maximum capacity and start spamming you with black science man bill nye bullshit.

I don't know much about global warming as I don't really give a fuck about it, but from what I've heard it's not exactly universally accepted among scientists that we are the ones causing it.

And even if "we", as in all humans, are causing it, the main culprits are going to be middle/east asian countries anyways.

she's cute. sauce?

guadalupe

B. How do you directly link it to human activity?

C. I'll give you the methane; cows and pigs do exist more thanks to us. However, what is your solution to this? Stop/curb ranching?

D. Then into the trash it goes.

F. Why should I give a shit about the future, if Europe will be overrun with disgusting muzzies and the US will be overrun with millions of taconiggers? If liberals want to destroy my progeny's futures with mass immigration, why should I give a fuck if it is destroyed via warmer weather?

>G. The carbon footprint of creating turbines is offset within months.
I'm gonna need a citation on that one, faggot.
>Renewable energy is the answer going forward.
Maybe when the technology isn't complete and utter shit like it is now.

>H. Pouring tax payer money into what exactly?
The entire industry. Do you know how much we subsidize those shitty technologies? How many millions go in to help out those faggots build their shitty windmills and solar panels?

Methane is absolutely irrelevant. It only takes 10 years to go away.