Seize the means of production

seize the means of production
do it
now

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Yes goy, give the government all your things nothing will go wrong

not the government, the workers. because a bunch of assembly line idiots are the most fit to run a multinational corporation

isn't it time for you to get beheaded, kang
let workers have all the things

less Marx and more Mises please

do you think the capitalist personally manages all company financial and infrastructural affairs theirself? like every other bit of labor required in a given corporation, they hire someone else to handle that.

Notice how Marx never criticized the money changers in the temple.

But I already have my own means of production. Under a free enterprise system of capitalism, private hands have the means of production, meaning you and me. As in I can grow a garden(a privately owned means of producing food) and not tell anyone.

Freedom is better.

the only way for an anarchist or communist society to succeed is for it to be taken up by a culturally homogenous society within a small territory

seizing is retarded
transition into it, if you care to

if you aren't employing anyone to work for a wage on your means of production (your garden in this case), it does not qualify as a private means of production. it qualifies as your personal means of production.

Yes he did. The bourgeois. Those who own captial

>if you aren't employing anyone to work for a wage on your means of production (your garden in this case), it does not qualify as a private means of production. it qualifies as your personal means of production.

It's still in private hands regardless, and being able to attach a dollar value to what I produce absolutely counts it as a means of production.

Whether or not I hire help to hay my 100 acre field with me one summer, or if another summer was dryer and produced less hay so I did it by myself doesn't matter, it doesn't change what my field is.

Freedom is still better.

yeah, no shit. they generally don`t hire assembly line workers for high level financial management though

what is in your opinion the difference between "private means of production" and "personal means of production"?

but why?

>it's only private production if you tell other people

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Y tho?

>patterned distribution principles
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Lel yes follow the bearded jew silly goyim.

That's kind of like saying there's a difference between private property and persona; property. They're essentially the same shit

They're both still private aka the only persons who can use them are those voluntarily allowed to.

High finance is not the bourgeois. The bourgeois is the middle class. The financiers loan the bourgeois their money to start businesses.

The usurer doesn't own the means of production, but the people who own the means of production are indebted to the usurer. Classic Jewish trickery.

Fuck off fucking weak commie.

>waa waa I failed to achieve my objectives
>no I start supporting communism so that I can punish those who did not fail

Typical weakling

i didn't say it wasn't a means of production. i have no issue with the set up you have in this hypothetical garden- you work on your garden by yourself and you reap the benefits of your labor. no commie has an issue with that arrangement.

the problem arises if you were to hire someone to work on the garden and paid them less than their value created with their own labor in wages. that's the arrangement commies have problems with.

What production?

not anymore please, no more... someone nuke us now!!!

and what about fascism? could i not make the same argument?

>wah wah i have nothing to be proud of, i better create a society where my skin color would receive special treatment and privilege over other groups with different skin colors

not that you're necessarily a fascist. just that your strawman isn't helpful or productive.

Reminder that communism is a disease of the mind that can only be cured with a bullet to the head as we can see from this medical history photograph of finnish white guards curing captured red guard of their illness.

>workers
>fucking implying

I don't know about you Karl but I know fuck all about how things are produced, I think someone else should have the means of production

you have a complete misunderstanding of what the word bourgeois means. id recommend reading the manifesto, it explained s the definition in one of the first paragraphs.

Well I'm just shit posting

good to know.

>Siezes means of production

>doesn't build anything, outsources.

Rare and underrated.

>what communism promises
>why it never works
Can you guys help me distill this shit down into retard level simplistic concepts pls?

Lazy people want to boss other people around.

>cause they don't want to do anything but be fed and jerked off and want to have no responsibility whatso ever for their own actions.

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I have read it. International banking escapes Marx's criticism because high finance is exploiting the bourgeois and not the proletariat. They're a level removed from what Marx was talking about.

Yes, I acknowledge Marx criticized lending practices and financial capitalism, but he didn't directly criticize the lending practices of international bankers who lent money to kings and the like.

There's a reason why Marx used the word "bourgeoisie" when talking about what he did when it already had prior historical connotations.

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As in what makes it backfire on the lazy tards and why they and everyone else get fucked over by it.

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>What it promises
Freedom from the "Exploitation of the capitalists" who supposedly give the workers meager wages and poor working conditions and high price products etc. This freedom is given by making the government control everything, add regulations, have a department for everything, etc etc etc big government.

>Why it never works
Capitalism doesn't have exploitation because if any capitalism tries to exploit people, they'll get undercut by another person and immediately lose all their market share, which means in a free market where businesses can hire whatever they want and open a business wherever, prices will tend towards the lowest possible price that will give a profit.

Ie if you're selling something for 1 dollar and want to exploit the customers by raising the price to 1.25, if someone else starts selling at 1 dollar you'll never sell another pencil. Same for wages, if you pay someone 8 dollars an hour and decide to dock his pay to 7.5, they can go to another place with the same job at 8 dollars and you'll lose your workers.

Governments don't have competition. If you won't work for 7.5 dollars, you go to the gulag. If you won't pay half your income in taxes, you go to gulag.

you said it yourself they are just retarded and should not be anywhere near government infact they should be in prison cells.

but it's haaaaaaaaaaaaaard :(

This helps a lot. Thank you.

We understand that but
>you're a retard
doesn't work well for convincing people when they're being retards.

Hey Marx, how does it feel to have the equivalent of 7/11 below your home?
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Also, this is why Governments that are going socialist almost always have huge borders. Look at North Korea, Venezuela, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, etc. The only way to switch governments or to have competing governmenmts is to leave the country, so they make it very difficult to do so.

You are mistaken personal property and private (which is capital). If you work on your yourself land it is fine. As soon as you hire someone to help you, you become criminal no matter what do u pay him, just the fact of hired labor makes you the criminal against humanity. It is the intrinsic property of capital to steal added value from worker and transfer it to capitalists. This is natural law which is same real as gravitation or thermodynamics laws, this is the basis of Marxism.

This of course is a common diversion tactic. By lumping all the Proletariat's enemies into the same category, the worst offenders, who number in the fewest and who pull the strings at the top in the shadows, become concealed behind the faces of the factory owners and local businessmen.

This is called hiding in plain sight. Marx was covering for the Rothschilds by never mentioning them and making the the middle class, historically the "bourgeoisie" who acted as intermediary between the peasants and royalty during the Middle Ages, the prime targets. Theoretically the Rothschilds and others of their ilk should be included on the hit list since they were running the show, but effectively they were not and the entrepreneurs became the "engines" of Capitalism instead.

This is the same way the Jew hides his identity amongst the native European population but can pass for one as is needed. Marx knew this strategy well.

Self-determination takes a pretty big hit too, right?
>If you won't work for 7.5 dollars, you go to the gulag. If you won't pay half your income in taxes, you go to gulag.
Like say the idiots who are falling for this are thinking "I'd be okay with those wages and that tax rate because the gov will be taking care of everything I need anyway" and expecting to have their choice of what job they'll be working and some variety available in the gov handouts they receive. How far off from reality would that mindset be?
>Do the job we assign you to do, or you go to the gulag.
>It's this or nothing. If it doesn't suit your tastes or work the way you need it to, tough shit.
Would it be closer to that instead?

But the workers work can only produce value because they have acces to the means of production that i created. so it`s not stealing, the workers labour wouldn`t be worth anything without the capitalist

Yes, that's right, government controls the distribution of the products of labor too, which is why in the Soviet Union, they always gave people the minimum needed to live(Bread, Water, a shitty Shack usually). I remember reading somewhere that Stalin had lobster fisheries that only he and whoever he chose could eat from, lol.

Wouldn't the middle managers, accountants, financial managers, and other white collar workers count as bourgeoisie? Can't really remember since Marx butchered the meanings of so many existing words.

Yeah, so fun, dude. We fall for another of Karl's practical jokes XD (;_;).

fucking underrated

we can do that in the US

it's called starting your own company

What did he mean by this?

So:
>get educators in place who teach new generations what to think instead of how to think
>>trained idiots introduced into journalism, politics, education, etc positions
>encourage class warfare across income, race, gender, political, cultural, etc lines
>>strife created among the populace
>blame this strife on teh evil capitalist system
>>middle class painted as oppressors
>start censoring speech, directing discourse, and limiting access to historical accounts and factual information and such
>>people who know better cut off from being able to get the word out to the retards in any significant capacity
>offer new leadership that appeals to the large struggling working class who now believes themselves to be the sole victims of grave injustice at the hands of the "elite" (who's really just the middle class)
>>working class takes the bait
>exacerbate all the so-called problems to an unimaginable degree; laugh when the legion of useful idiots gets buttmad over it because they gave up all the power they had to do anything about it
>>entire nation's population successfully cucked
Is that about right?

fucking kek

this is Sup Forums's understanding of marx

the means of production you control wouldn't be worth anything without the laborer

>labor = a crime is natural law
>somehow forgets to mention fitness of purpose in reproductive strategies, the natural capitalism as not being natural law

ok done

I'm tired. I'll do it tomorrow.

>ITT: people whining about COMMUNISM without having read anything by or about Marx

start here you brainwashed slaves

But they are all in China.

Die commie faggot.

or how bout you start fucking here

>the means of production you control wouldn't be worth anything without the laborer

yes they would. people would be willing to pay to have them. As a matter of fact, google "hammer", and see how much it's worth.

Revolution NOW

Lol you think I havent read it? Nigger, I went to college. The difference between you and me is I saw through the bullshit.

He only hated capitalism because he was a shit artist and poet. His butthurt became a way to punish society because they did not buy his crap.

Nein thanks, I'm White.

>I'm White.
Then why are you reading Mein Kampf

If you, as the one who controls the means of production, buy a hammer and produce with your own labor, then commodities aren't produced by alienated labor.

If you pay some other laborer to produce, then the value of the production is by their labor. The value of the commodity is its socially necessary labor time.

It is the true White man's Bible.

You got it backward. Means of production only can produce value when worker works using them, without labor they are dead objects. Labor is literally anima vitae what is start of everything. Thus workers are primary. Worker is alpha, worker is omega. This is marxism.

>middle managers, accountants, financial managers, and other white collar workers count as bourgeoisie?
Yes, they do.

Thanks, but I'd rather to study real economic theories. Not some ookiedookie made by a pseudointellectual jew.

Labor itself is fine. HIRED labor is a crime. Buying labor is literally stealing this labor.

Practical application:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak
>In May 1929, the Sovnarkom issued a decree that formalised the notion of "kulak household" (кyлaцкoe хoзяйcтвo). Any of the following defined a kulak:[3][12]
>use of hired labor
>ownership of a mill, a creamery (мacлoбoйня, butter-making rig), other processing equipment, or a complex machine with a mechanical motor
>systematic renting out of agricultural equipment or facilities
>involvement in trade, money-lending, commercial brokerage, or "other sources of non-labor income".

You're getting cucked if you dismiss Marx without reading Kapital. Letting some wikiquote choose your opinions for you is pretty retarded

sure

it's like 70 pages long you pig

Reading Capital is biggest redpill against marxism. Jew doing 120000 revolutions per minute and summoning all might of German philosophy trying to prove that white is the black and Earth is flat.

>Things that are physically possibly
>Public ownership
Pick one

So it's necessary that hiring labor be a crime in order to facilitate Marxism? I'm asking genuinely, because the existence of a statute in a once marixist system does not make hired labor an inherent crime as people still have agency over their person.

you haven't answered my question, just posted a random fact about the LTV, but w/e, im used to lefties not being able to hold an argument.

>The value of the commodity is its socially necessary labor time.

1) I'm quite familiar with the LTV
2) you agree to that a diamond that just dropped from the sky should be worth less than a diamond that was mined and cut, right?
3) you agree that a neurosurgeon ought to be paid the same amount for an 8ht shift as a cashier, right?
4) nobody knows what the NLT of a commodity is, the only way to figure that out is to use THE MARKET (compare labour time of different producers) - after you do this, the least able one doesn't receive payments according to his ability, but according to other producers on the market

Even shorter
>What it promises
Le utopia of the worker :dDDD-D
>What it does
Lol get fucked worker we're more equal :-DDDd

animal farm was a cia psyop

Who's /readyfortherevolution/ here?

Fight beside me brothers.

seize the filthy commies
do it
now

And the separatists

>sweden

I'm not surprised, but I am disappointed.

And I read it when I was 14 yo, your point?

And franco before he shoots him, the fucking asshole rat.

Yeah, no. Keep your stupid ideas to yourself.

I support this message.

clearly you didn't get any of it

I would have loved to kill this piece of shit.
Anyone who likes him is automatically a fag.