Has there been a single genre that went to the shitter faster than Industrial?

has there been a single genre that went to the shitter faster than Industrial?
how do you from DAF, Throbbing Gristle, Nurse with Wound, Grim, 23 Skidoo, Coil, Foetus to absolute, unashamed garbage like Combichrist, Marylin Manson, Ministry, NIN, Psyclon Nine, KMFDM. Rammstein, Suicide Commando? Wtf happened?

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>unashamed garbage like Combichrist, Marylin Manson, Ministry, NIN, Psyclon Nine, KMFDM. Rammstein, Suicide Commando? Wtf happened?
all those bands are still better than what happened to punk

punk was always shit though. there wasn't much change in quality there

Refinement.

Early industrial is ore mining: finding raw material for the rest of the industry to turn into something valuable.
Later industrial is engineering, manufacturing crafting.

Early industrial is "DUDE CHECK OUT THIS WEIRD NOISE MY REFRIGERATOR MAKES WHEN I SAW THROUGH IT"
later industrial is "DUDE CHECK OUT THIS COOL MUSIC I MADE OUT OF THOSE WEIRD NOISES"

Care to explain? Because punk still has awesome bands around.

>powerbottomviolence

>Cursed
>powerviolence
You're dumb.

Also
>not a power bottom
You're missing out, you dirty-assed top

Disagree entirely. Punk is the the most important guitar based music genre since the 70s.

dude ministry is not garbage, at least not pre 1990. get ya head checked.

>later industrial is "DUDE CHECK OUT THIS COOL MUSIC I MADE OUT OF THOSE WEIRD NOISES"
more like "DUDE LETS MAKE EDM, ROCK, AND METAL AND JUST SPRINKLE A LITTLE BIT OF HARSHER SYNTHS ON TOP"

punk has been trash for awhile not. get some taste

go make your own punk thread shitters

imagine actually having this opinion, you disgust me

>every one of those people said industrial was meant to grow and evolve
>most of those people went on to grow and evolve their music to different sounds
>you still cry about it on a Zimbabwean cave paintings forum
If Sleazy saw you he would be ashamed such a faggot listens to his music.

Coil did evolve their sound into something unique and interesting, but nu industrial is just EDM, shitty metal and pop. Do you even know what you're talking about?

"evolve" into garbage like late era kmfdm/ministry, aggrotech and generic ebm?

no, fuck off

nine inch nails is obviously fine but the rest is utter garbage

the umbrella genre of post-industrial, coil related projects (thighspaulsandra, cyclobe, drew mcdowall) and the current american and finnish/scandinavian noise scene are good examples of evolution, what op posted is truly unredeemable trash

>coil related projects (thighspaulsandra, cyclobe, drew mcdowall) and the current american and finnish/scandinavian noise scene
man of good taste, i see

How about dubstep? You went from stuff like Horsepower Productions, Pinch, Mala, Digital Mystikz, Benga, etc. to bullshit that I'm not even bothered to name.

Even emo went from awesome to bullshit.

Reason why? It became popular and people started doing shit that had nothing to do with the spirit of the original wave. You're just comparing apples with oranges.

Do you? Because you pretty much described Chris and Cosey and half of PTV's catalogue. Nurse With Wound nowadays play more rock than industrial. Ton of the oldschool musicians collaborated with the projects OP criticizes as well. Clearly they don't find it bad.

>I don't like it so it's bad

>Ton of the oldschool musicians collaborated with the projects OP
only NIN you lying faggot, good job at defending your shitty taste, they are like I said the exception

>I don't like it so it's bad
>i share a board with people who actually think suicide commando and combichrist are remotely decent

>Chris and Cosey and half of PTV's catalogue
chris and cosey never went far from making interesting danceable darkwave, and ptv went into acid house territory, which is boring and repetitive but still miles ahead of abominations like kmfdm's latest album

it just had its peak moment like most forms of music. late 70's - '91. was pretty much done by then. a good 15 year run, thats pretty good.

Post-punk is the only good thing to come out of punk

this 2bh

Wrong. Genesis was in Pigface, who were from the exact same scene as KMFDM you hate so much, and played similar music. He was on a Download album. You know, the bleepy side project of Skinny Puppy? He also worked with Cold Cave and Black Rain, the latter being a staple of Fifth Colvmn, who had artists like Acucrack, Chemlab and Cubanate. You're obviously retarded if you think he's some kind of purist.

Sleazy did boring edm, worked with The Cassandra Complex, Snog (YES, that snog that is making 90s ebm and currently getting remixed by Suicide Commando), Matmos, and that's just scraping the surface.

>opinions wah wah I don't like thing
No one cares, C&C evolved beyond "industrial" to exactly "boring edm", PTV evolved to "pop and edm", and others evolved into beyond as well - NWW did, Monte Cazzaza did, The Leather Nun did, Neubauten, Cabaret Voltaire, SPK... Youre just being retarded and spouting opinions.

Just looked at discogs, and oh look what I found you retarded faggot, Sleazy working for fucking Ministry!
discogs.com/Ministry-Tapes-Of-Wrath/release/5318772
He also worked with Front 242.
Now shut the fuck up and leave before I find more crap to prove you're an idiot.

>KMFDM you hate so much
another lie, early kmfdm was alright, read and quit being a cretin

>Download album
also alright, skinny puppy and related projects weren't mentioned by op

>Cold Cave and Black Rain
both excellent and neither mentioned by op, could fit in the post-industrial/darkwave and dark ambient umbrella that i mentioned

so all lying and missing the point, ok

>Sleazy did boring edm
>C&C evolved beyond "industrial" to exactly "boring edm", PTV evolved to "pop and edm
i don't think you know what edm means in the context of this board, but that's fine, you're just being disingenuous

>worked with The Cassandra Complex
at remixing a throbbing gristle song, nice job distorting reality to fit in your narrative again

>Snog
*wrote a song for, jesus you are really stupid at this point

>matmos
not mentioned by op, etc, never implied they were bad, oh you bore me

>Sleazy working for fucking Ministry!
directed a video for, also that's prime era ministry, read again

my point still stands mr. aggrotech, i never implied that said musicians were "purists", and i didn't say shit about early ebm. the bands mentioned in op's post have degenerated (kmfdm/ministry) and the rest are inherently bad

but nice job at distorting everything you fucking faggot

Way to post the most generic and shitty of the Aggrotech/Post Industrial scene. But you probably meant to do that.

You got to dig deeper to find the good stuff nowadays:

ESA
wk[es]
Prometheus Burning
Pneumatic Detach
Katarrhaktes
Four Pi Movement
Eva|3
Terrorfakt
Rose Red Flechette

If Coil, Throbbing Gristle, and NWW are Industrial, then clearly MM, NIN and Rammstein are not. They make Rock with industrial influences. Your thread is dumb opee.

Holy shit you're retarded. The argument is industrial evolving into something else, you're the only one making it into stop liking what I don't like. The fact is that all the major musicians moved over to evolve into or work with new sounds. Just because you create some "I like this" umbrella doesn't make it more or less deserving of the label. You're no one, you don't make the rules.

>working with nin on videos is OK but ministry doesn't count
I really hope that's not what you meant to imply.

>writing a song doesn't count
Yeah because I would totally write a song for someone whose music I don't like.

>context of this board
No one cares. Facts are facts. Industrial old heads all moved to electronic and techno music. Go listen to CTI.

>CTI?

Creative Technology Institute aka Chris & Cosey?

Yes. If hearing all of the first wavers on a techno album doesn't ring a bell in your head then nothing else will.

Industrial was meant to evolve. It did, every decade. No one cares if you like the evolution or not.

Not him and good shit

No, friendo, you are dishonestly comparing quality nitpicked examples of ebm and electro industrial to the inferior bands OP has mentioned. Noticed that I used the terms, generic EBM, and the late stage cancer some bands are in now. Those musicians did move on to new stuff, but most of it were their own individual projects, that did EVOLVE, because they still had merit. Cabaret Voltaire made techno in the 90s, yes, but they didn't evolve to collaborating with Suicide Commando or other garbage. That's just you again cherrypicking bad examples. Take a look at >POST-INDUSTRIAL (LIKE EBM, ELECTRO AND SAID GENRES) coil related projects (thighspaulsandra, cyclobe, drew mcdowall) and the current american and finnish/scandinavian noise scene are good examples of evolution

Industrial music did evolve, but the more popular aspirations cited in the first post were largely uninspired artists with no artistic edge whatsoever. That's not evolution, it's commercialism.

Don't be paranoid also, I'm not , I know CTI quite well

Please rec me some Finnish and Scandi noise

And yet again here we are
>I don't like it so it's not what it is stop liking what I don't!

posh isolation, freak animal records

LR, Puce Mary, Damien Dubrovnik, Grunt, Sick Seed, Bizarre Uproar, related projects (Clinic of Torture, Snuff, Xenophobic Ejaculation), Pogrom, Nicole 12, Scatmother, Hlose, Limepit, Sadistic Bliss

>it's bad having standards

"Standards" of some anonymous faggot don't make the rules, sonny.

>don't make the rules
lmao, what are you even talking about now nigger, combichrist fried your brain?

>stop liking what I don't mommy waaaah
(You)

i take it you are projecting, lying and personally ofended by these posts because you have a shitty aggro/mallgoth band too? literally the only explanation, not even marilyn manson fans are colossal faggots like yourself man

OK but like
Nine Inch Nails is better than every band there except Coil and Throbbing Gristle
Plus, the dude from Grim is better now than ever

No, im just laughing at your stupidity and pathetic bait. I haven't listened to any EBM at all since 2011 and any aggrotech since mid 2010. But keep trying.

>the dude from Grim is better now than ever
how can Jun be so based right? came back at full power

i disagree with you though, foetus did reznor schtick better and earlier

Why do Industrial threads always turn into shit flinging fests? I guess this one was going to do that from the OP. Seems like they always do though. Irritating as it's one of my favorite genres.

>there are people on this board that enjoy and defend fucking combichrist
This board is shit

>recommend me some noise
>lists a bunch of power electronics
A true expert I see

Agreed. Combichrist is the absolute worst.

sorry but that was what i meant by noise scene, unless you're a sound art or japanoise type of guy the list is pretty enjoyable

Everyone was trying to be either second Throbbing Gristle or Nine Inch Nails. There was some good stuff like Signum by P.A.L but it was overshadowed by Wax Trax.

Unironically amazing thread.

Keep the autismo going, I'm getting spoonfed to the stars.


Also: OP you're fucking retarded if you think Industrial went to shit (if it did at all) faster than Punk, Dubstep and Grunge.

Give me those recs my fellow leather daddy

what the fuck do you know retard if you yourself accept you're getting spoonfed

Yes

>i dislike it therefore it’s shit

T: huge greasy fag

Marilyn Manson is great though

RIP

Rammstein has at least two nice, listenable albums I mean Mutter nad Sehnsucht (i like Sehnsucht more)

Post-punk is punk for people who don’t like punk.

please recommend me some industrial albums sounds like this
youtube.com/watch?v=-XGX_1zdsXg

+++ if older than 1990 but it's not nessessary

Sleep Chamber - Sleep or Forever Hold Your Piece, Some Godz Die Young

El Topo
youtu.be/vWRke8FKrEg

Sleep Chamber are America's heterosexual answer to Coil

Still around.

Posts an album from 2005

thank you user!

Herzeleid is pretty good too

Really? That's odd because I like shitloads of bands from both genres.

>shitting on Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, KMFDM and Rammstein

You're a bastard. That said, shitting on Combichrist never gets old. That band REALLY fucked Industrial up.

Marilyn Manson, i'm really meh with. Some good songs but overall really blah.

You might also check out The Klinik - Melting Close + Sabotage

Decay
youtu.be/pXJIK11ISvY

So do I, it’s a generalized explanation of why someone would say that they only think post-punk is worthwhile.
Post-punk doesn’t often share the same emotionally charged attitude that most other forms of the genre do.

AA was really good. Shame he died recently.

You're just a try hard wannabe

NIN and Ministry are more mainstream oriented but are quality industrial

Rammstein is Neue Deutsche Härte and has dance elements, still good band shitty following

And MM doesn't even belong in that list except for earlier stuff and still he's not pure Industrial just some influences

>KMFDM is poop tho

Bump

>And MM doesn't even belong in that list except for earlier stuff and still he's not pure Industrial just some influences

Yeah, Marilyn Manson is like really, really dark glam rock. Not really industrial unlike Nine Inch Nails, which is definitely industrial.

nailed it

>All industrial that isn't experimental modular synth noise is shit
Get over yourself

Why do people like Nure With Wound? I've always just found it annoying.

>hurr durr popular music is bad
you're just not very good at digging
plenty of good industrial around

>hurr durr popular music is bad
>i'm gonna be elitist myself about digging tho
retard lmao

literally this, and I say this a s a huge industrial faggot. The genre lives on in good and bad scenes. And there is still plenty of old school stuff and rare cassettes i'm sure some of you homos have never heard.
>also pic related is long because i'm true vers

*wrong

Important =/= good
Punk was always style-over-substance trash that was even more pretentious than the genres it tried to kill.

this

Combichrist is cringy but the music is alright sometimes