RIP Pinegrove

also, someone warned us. why didn't we listen?

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pinegrove is the epitome of soy

agreed

the statement is a fucking embarrassment. If we're at the point where having consensual sex with (not underage) fans is equivalent to coercion (and by extension, assault), then I don't even know what to say.

i think someone said it already, but he's so desperate to stay within the scene that he's groveling.

the only other possibility I can think of here aside from attention-seeking is that he actually did something fucked up and is giving this self-flagellating apology to get ahead of it. That said, I know people who've hooked up with Evan and apparently he's a huge douche, so it wouldn't surprise me if he crossed a line, soyboy or no

so are musicians just not allowed to ever have sex under any circumstances now?

Bingo same thing happened with Jank

It's funny because everyone thinks this stuff is just a feminist rallying cry and it's good for women and blah blah blah. But all this will end up doing is hurt women in the end. No male artists will work with female artists at this rate. They won't be booked for shows or if they are it will be on all female bills which will hurt ticket sales, etc. I'm in a band and my friend suggested we get a female vocalists to feature on one of our songs and I don't even want to risk it at this point. I consider myself fairly liberal and all this does is make me want to never associate with female fans or artists again.

gay

No. You should feel ashamed and turn yourself in if you even feel the need to have sex.

The sexual revolution is officially dying. Hook-up culture will soon be a thing of the past.

Feel that, dawg.

Friendly reminder Larkin Grimm lied.

Why doesn't he just fucking deny it? Gira did it, and practically no one even talks about it and most believe him. Why does he feel the need to apologize if he did nothing?

Even r/indieheads thinks he's overreacting.

He might be saying this because he's done something bad in the past and he's afraid of it coming out.

prove it

>prove a negative
So this is feminist """intellectualism"""

lol, I'm the one who posted "Michael Cera?".

this is why rap is the new rock. they dont give a fuck about what anyone says, what's left of rock is to emaciated these days

Pathetic fucks

>if you take one look at Larkin's social media accounts it's very clear she's mentally unstable
>Gira said Larkin is full of shit
>Gira's ex-wife said Larkin is full of shit
>Gira's current wife said Larkin is full of shit
>every member of Swans stood with Gira
>right before she accused Gira of rape she accused Thomas Sayers Ellis (a member of the band Heroes are Gang Leaders) of harassing her and Margaret Morris (another member of Heroes are Gang Leaders)
>Margaret Morris said Larkin is full of shit
I'm 99.9% sure Larkin is a lunatic who lied about Gira and Ellis for attention.

well then where are they nigga i havn't seen them

At this point I have no reason to believe any woman who makes these kinds of allegations. Especially since even soyboy bands have groupies and these women are most likely looking for fame and money.

at least my perpetual virginity wont seem as bad then

sounds like he just has a guilty conscience.

I cant believe people have become so blood-thirsty that they just made this kid apologize for being in a band and having a girlfriend

Fuck this shit dude rock music is officially over. That was the most ridiculous load of bullshit I have ever read.

Really just seems like he has his own problems to work out here. The girl sounds like a cunt to accuse him when hes done l it er ally nothing wrong

Is there any more of a fitting time to use the word "Cuck?" This is unironically one of the most self-cucked nonsense possible, and the troubling thing is that most of the women on the original facebook post tend to either say he's not flagellating himself hard enough, or that it's completely appropriate.
The absolute state of the scene nowadays.

women simply can't be trusted
idk why you would associate with them. for sex? yeah sex is cool and fun and good but you always run the risk of having them say it was non-consensual and because of feminism the women is always believed over the man. it's just not worth it anymore.

Just caught up on this, fucking hilarious but also immensely sad. I guess if you're famous you aren't allowed to have sexual relations with anyone unless they're more famous/rich than you, in which case you now have leverage to call them abusers and be believed, or something?

oh shit i remember this thread
pretty sad

Just sit back until all these people remove themselves/each other from whatever scene and it goes back to normal

it isn't going back to normal, ever
these "humans" are never satisfied and will continue to dismantle careers one by one

If you can't associate with a female without asking her to have sex with you, you have a problem

have the teen suicide allegations dropped yet? guitarist/bassist peaced to play with elvis depressedly because of teen suicide guy being a predatory creep

A good friend of mine has a sister living in Boston who dated this guy... says he's an asshole.

that doesn't matter, men will think that if they associate with women at all, they will falsely accuse them

welcome to hell

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What's the story here?

Ummmmm sweetie, things girls lie about: liking your hair
Things no girl has ever lied about: rape
It's pretty simple :)

Actually same. I'm fairly liberal, but I swear to god I will never associate with a female fan. It's not even worth it anymore man. I don't want to hurt anyone.

can't tell if retarded or trolling...

there's a post in that "worst things you've ever done" about a girl who feels guilty for falsely accusing her own father of rape because she was babbling random shit during an episode of dr phil when she was 7 years old literally right now

Neither, he's joking. It's a quote from Lena Dunham.

"females lie"
-eminem

Link?

expand on this please. i always had ray figured for a pretty sketchy guy, and his recent transformation into ned flanders rings false

i guess they're waiting for the new album to drop for maximum impact

i literally can't find what this guy was accused of

he is purposely leaving out a side to the story

Am I the only one tired of all of these boring nu males playing bland 80s synth shit and fifth-wave who-gives-a-fuck emo? I'm glad it's starting to crumble because there are far too many SJWs and virtue signalers up top completely dividing the scene, with the silent majority cringeing at all the politicking (not to bring a trump term into this but it's actually pretty applicable here). Obviously not saying that there isn't rock music being released that isn't great, but how many rock bands nowadays can bring this type of hype factor to a college show?: youtube.com/watch?v=kL91eB0mebI

yeah and what's that, exactly?

Either this guy is truly Machiavellian in his emotional manipulation, publishing a statement purposefully designed to excise maximum pity from his fanbase OR he has been emotionally manipulated by a sociopath who went from being in a committed relationship with the frontman to accusing him of sexual coercion in a matter of seconds

Its sad because given the current environment and how much absurd pressure has been put upon men to be more pious than Jesus and to accept all responsibility in sexual relationships with none of the agency of interpreting it, the latter seems more likely. But either way its a nightmare of a situation

I don't understand, he has to go to therapy and cancel tours because he wanted someones gf and has had sexual encounters with fans? Doesnt he realize that a majority of ppl pursue music to get pussy, the old learn guitar to get girls?

Also his apology shows how feminism has ruined the idea of fun, dudes probably in his early twenties and any normal dude would want to fuck his hot fans, especially if they initiated it, is he supposed to say no cuz that's. Feminist???

I will sit here calmly, waiting for more information to come out.

I wonder how this will effect other musicians, are they gonna apologize cuz a fan rubbed their penis through their pants went they were playing? Because they were in a position of power?

I love how since Weinstein was reveled, even the most liberal fuck heads are horny bastards that use their fame to fuck femmes lmao

Celebs need to have pre drafted consent forms for different male-female interactions these days I guess?

pinegrove might be numale, but it aint soy

Dude i'm so excited for this Sam Ray is such an asshole

What the everlasting fuck. THE DUDE HAD SEX WITH SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM WHY FUCKING APOLOGIZE

HES THE FUCKING SINGER OF AN INDIE ROCK BAND, NOT SOMEONE WITH LEGIT POWER. FUCK. STOP RUINING STREIGHT MENS LIVES BECAUSE WE NATURALLY FLIRT AND LIKE GIRLS>


I'm becoming Volcel now

Im blown away by how big of a deal these kinds of events are nowadays. Does anybody remember fucking hair metal??? KISS??? Motley Crue???

It makes me ashamed to be a millenial when the feminist movement is a radical ball kicking free for all and our men of the same age just take it because thats what snowflakes do.

if evan was a man he would tell everyone to sit the fuck down and get on with the show.

hey fucking reply to my message on RYM

i saw one of there shows at festival once. i talked with a fan and he was so excited to see them. he said "they're so young they have a great future ahead of them in music".
what a shame.

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no man is allowed to have sex according to liberals.
Its the new slutshaming, any man who wants to have sex and acts on it is inherently shameful and bad

>liberals are now obsessed with enforcing societal change towards clean moral living and traditional family values
Funny how things change over time, ain't it?

soon progressives will jump back on the alcohol prohibition bandwagon, its been about 100 years since they forced that shit on us

>clean moral living and traditional family values
ohohohoho

are these teen suicide allegations recent? i understand being married doesn't stop people from being creeps but to my knowledge sam's lowkey, even if a giant prick

That's the funny thing about being a "progressive". If you just keep progressing all the time you eventually run out of places you haven't already been before...

>Its the new slutshaming, any man who wants to have sex and acts on it is inherently shameful and bad

lmao this. men who pursue sex are predators!!! oh btw I got pump and dumped by chad yesterday but that's different!!!

>clean moral living
maybe?
>traditional family values
lol no

>liberals don't allow men to have sex now
>conservatives haven't allowed sex in centuries

REEEEEEEE SO NOBODY WILL LET ME HAVE SEX????? WHAT THE EVERLIVING FUCK WHAT TIMELINE ARE WE EVEN IN

So what is this guy accused of doing?

having consensual sex with someone of legal age in the missionary position.

FUCKING AAAAAAAAA MY FAVORITE FUCKING BAND IM SO FUCKING MAD AT STUPID SJW BULLSHIT I CANT TAKE IT, A FUCKING ROCK FRONTMAN FLIRTS WITH GROUPIES AND CANCELS A TOUR BECAUSE OF IT

>AAAAAAAAAAAA

This is complete nonsense. Coercion? I wish he or somebody else would go into more depth because it's the most innocuous and simplistic way to describe trying to get into somebody's pants. Unless he told a specific series of lies and intentionally manipulated her into fucking him, then it sounds like he did fucking nothing wrong. How is this even a story?

fuck i was gonna see them.
but yeah what the fuck?
it seems like there’s a lot being left out.

This is how they're going to get rid of indie
Keep pushing hip hop while these "allegations" keep coming in
Shaping culture is incredibly easy when everyone is too sensitive to wuestion anything

They'll go after hip-hop too, at least the white rappers.

and why, pray tell, would "they" want to "get rid of indie"?

this is honestly so confusing, like this seems like he shouldnt even have said anything and just took a hiatus, its like he through himself under the bus

>I know people who've hooked up with Evan and apparently he's a huge douche
Care to elaborate?

So is the JANK thing still up in the air?
Ik all the kids think that Lou is some ultra predator but I have seen no evidence besides maybe some questionable lyrics in stuff he has written

This feels like he was brainwashed into guilt for something he didn't do, like he told someone he was fucking someones girl and they told him it was sexual coercion cause he was a cis white male with white and male privilege, I can hear some cunts voice in my head saying that, and he tried to save face to the sjw crowd by putting this "apology" out

Fuck, if they were going to pick anybody to attack, it should have been rap artists.
>all I wanna do is sit back and watch you move while I proceed to throw this cash

Immersed himself in hard left circles then actually believed their bullshit. No sympathy from me.

He needs to do some social pruning but he won't.

you will hear soon enough

holy shit i remember that thread, the absolute madman called it. rip boyo

Really seems like this is it. What's the point of being a straight white dude playing guitar music anymore...?

>extremely limited commercial prospects (has been true for forever but still, not like cost of living is going down anytime soon)
>industry leading music critics will look for any reason to shit on your band they can find because anything with a guitar reads as "played out", all well falling over themselves to praise top 40 in the name of not being elitist (seems like it's own shitty paradigm but huh, ok)
>live under a microscope of scrutiny regarding your personal conduct-fuck up or get caught up in an ambiguous situation and your out instantly because the court of public opinion is the only court that matters-nevermind the fact that the music listening public/critics that care enough to engage with your work will never ever subject most pop or hip hop artists to the same level of scrutiny.
>can't even find employment doing covers as a wedding band b/c DJ's are cheaper...

So what happens now? No incentive to tour or be publicly associated with your own music, in the best scenario we get a whole generation of bands trying desperately to remain anonymous or pseudo-anonymous a la Jandek or GY!BE...

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white guilt

jank will never happen again because ruben will never be in a band with matt

this is just madness.

It's time to form the "alt-center"

Maybe a revival of art for art's sake. In the past century the impulse to make great music has only been subordinate to other impulses such as the desire for wealth, social status and pussy. Once music is no longer seen as a means for fulfilling those base impulses, the only people left making music will be the ones who's impulse to do it is not subordinate to anything else

> the only people left making music will be the ones who's impulse to do it is not subordinate to anything else
This, outside of coon toons that is. For every shitty wannabe rock band over the past 40 years there are now twice that many shitty sound cloud rappers.
And of course, some of them make it big just like Blink or Green Day did, because only the most accessible and pop like music ever makes any money