Why do you think it's oke to ignore 500+ years of excellent music?

Why do you think it's oke to ignore 500+ years of excellent music?

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because they didn't make albums

Classical music is fucking boring 99% of the time

It was limited by the instrumentation of the time, and modern classical hasn't caught up much. Do you really think Mozart, Bach or Wagner would have ignored the electric guitar or synthesiser?

this

I'm not going to sit around listening to a bunch of cover bands all day

I'm not ignoring it I'm just working backwards

do you listen to world music op

This. Sometimes you'll hear a catchy tune, but then it just goes on and on.

But I do listen to erudite music, user.

No, because I'm not an avant-teen poseur who needs to fill their libraries with unlistenable third world ethnic garbage in order to look "cultured".

Western Art Music is the supreme musical artform anyway. I'm not missing much.

t. soy abusers

lol fuck off then,you're as bad as the people you complain about

>I never experienced it
>But I know it's shit
American "education" everyone.

>The only quality of music is catchyness
Catchyness is also a product of you having heard that tune before. So just listening more will solve that largely.

Yes

This is not the OP, ignore him.

I don't care. My opinion is still valid.

Sometimes people just resent what they don't understand, so anything that challenges their sensibilities is just ***ERROR*** and they feel inferior by the suggestion that their currently-held beliefs are based on incorrect or incomplete information. Past a certain age, it's better to just let them wallow in ignorance, because they'll always be too arrogant to go back and tighten up the basics.

They ignored the bag pipe, so yeah.

Probably the worst reason to dismiss classical I've ever heard. Most of the people performing this music have had 20+ years of experience playing that music. What does it really matter if they play it well? You're basically admitting it's not about the music but about the image/persona.

World art music like Sorabji and Yung is okay.

>Do you really think Mozart, Bach or Wagner would have ignored the electric guitar or synthesiser?
Yes.
I don't think "muh synthesizers" people know what they're talking about. Very shallow, album rock oriented understanding of music at large.

user do you know how many newer classical composers have been experimenting with new instruments?

Because they're philistines

They probably care nothing for history either

because they're white, so their evil.

#ItsNotOkayToBeWhite

Also it's long and boring and doesn't have singing in English or talk about big booty hoes

OP here, I agree that modern day composers are lacking behind with exploring new instrumentation. (though some don't) But I think asking the question "Do you really think Mozart, Bach or Wagner would have ignored the electric guitar or synthesiser?"
is unawnserable. People are a product of their environment, Bach as we know him wouldn't exist in modern times.
Besides just because modern composers are behind on instrumentation isn't a reason to dismiss their or any other music that came before.

>boring and doesn't have singing in English
Not boring
Does have singing in english, you really think that there were no English composers?

Sure. Synthesizers still sound gay, though.

yeah but there's not emotion. Like Lil Peep, Lil Uzi Vert, Post Malone they get turnt up and make me feel. Classical music is just old people and dated and like that jazz shit people talk about. Guitar is dead bru, get over it. We need strip club anthems not cello players blowing the cello and having solos.

Yes I get you're not being serious. Problem is that there are people who actually think it's boring and too long, because they've never even tried to listen to it. I liked that blowing cello reference though.

I'm glad you caught that, when I heard about that I had to go back and listen to it... he's trash.

But I think it's more a symptom of our parents too. Like my mom hates jazz because, and I quote from yesterday "it sounds like old people from the 40s waiting around being bored". I think now you kind of need to be exposed to it early, or have an appreciation of music (or study it) to fully enjoy classical music because if not then it will sound old and not fun. Point is people suck and I hope when we go to mars that space shit explodes and it takes the rest of the earth with it.

t. meme insult

90% of everyone is so emotionally attached to their prejudices, they'd rather have a limb amputated than be forced to admit their opinion is based on lopsided worldview.

Some people want to complain about degenerate music, but can't sit through a song longer than 4-and-a-half minutes. This is the alt-right.

>Night On Bald Mountain
>Rite Of Spring
>Ride Of The Valkyries
>1812 Overture
>Carmina Burana
>boring

pretty much

that said, it isn't really difficult to cultivate good taste and discover new things

it's kind of alarming that people here are so averse to such things, as though music shouldn't ever be anything more than facile entertainment, as though deliberately challenging yourself is somehow a crime

I don't ignore it exactly, but a lot of pieces just last far too damn long to keep my interest, especially if I'm listening to music while doing something else.
Hell, even back when you had to actually attend performances people would fall asleep every now and then (leading to silly shit like that Italian(?) piece called 'Surprise' where a quiet bit was suddenly interrupted by every instrument in the orchestra playing one note REALLY LOUDLY just to mess with sleeping assholes).

I like Dvorak kinda. That’s about it.

Effective bait

>i'm really into music, i only listen to music that is 4 mintues or shorter and can keep my attention for the entire time and is basic enough for me to understand everything about it after one listen

Because I like other genres more and I'd rather invest the little time I have into those. However, I still enjoy classical music as a casual listener. It also happens to be the hardest musical genre to get into.

lully was a gay lmao

thats the 1% you fucking retard.

Because only the last 50 years were enjoyable.

holy shit kek, I need a link to the piece and some further reading

he's talking about Haydn's Symphony No. 94 I think, you've heard it before

It's Austrian, not Italian

youtube.com/watch?v=p_ftrysaMHU
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._94_(Haydn)

I was wrong about the Italian part, and apparently Haydn said he wasn't intending for that to be on purpose, but oh well.

Modern "classical" isn't real classical

Modern classical? You mean like post-rock?

definently, modern classical is like its own genre, that happens to use classical instruments

Haydn was the OG memester
>composed a symphony where orchestra members get up and leave at the end
youtube.com/watch?v=kjFeDk6Kr3U
>literal fart humor (towards the end)
youtube.com/watch?v=U-zaGM39Cik
>violins tuning mid-piece
youtube.com/watch?v=yuDVVtAsoaM
>quartet movement that makes you think it's about to start again as it finishes
youtube.com/watch?v=zpeQKGoV8cw

No.

>no singing in English
There are many American operas. Educate urself.

and English composers

Alright, Luddite.

Only a pleb would actually listen to any of those

TV/Film and video game scores are the closest thing to modern classical.

I'll put any Star Wars soundtrack up against any of the great classical composers.

>I don't know who steve reich, arvo part, philip glass, rautavaara, ligeti, john adams, etc. are.

it's hard to appreciate classical music if you don't play an instrument, you'll end up either appreciating only the catchy pieces or being a pseud

Or you can study some basic theory. You don't need 20 years of study to understand the structure of a fugue by Bach. Just learn some basic stuff: what is fugue, what is canon, augmentation, diminution, modulation. Learn to recognize the themes. You don't need to play an instrument to understand this.

They aren't any closer to traditional classical than John Williams is.

all overplayed to death

music only started like 100 years ago lol

Or you could learn an actual skill that's useful in real life, while listening to catchy music. That's why a guy in his garage working on cars or bikes while listening to buttrock will always have a more fulfilling life than some autist jerking off to dead music while waiting for anime to finish downloading.

the problem with those is that they're done for a specific purpose and usually with tight time constraints; they're not really what they could be as standalone pieces of music

>I'm retarded as fuck

what a horrifying post

Yes they certainly are.
I'm getting the impression that you're one of those "if it's played on a violin it's classical" guys.
It's not just about making a catchy tune, it's about exploring the way of making music. Classical uses complex harmonies, structures and forms. Most film composers use set harmonies to achieve a certain mood (google this if you don't believe me). They are not trying to innovate on anything.
(btw I'm saying most because some film scores like LOTR do use motific development that I would consider classical-ish)

>Why learn something when you can be a retard and live a simple life where you don't have to think about anything?

Yeah but can you play it at the strip club while you see the hoes shake their milkers. (pic related)

You're a fucking nog, while it's great and memorable he borrowed so heavily you can find a bunch of pieces, New World Symphony, Rite of Spring the list goes on, he very much borrowed from.

It's like saying Awaken, My Love holds it's own to a Funkadelic record.

No, it's about making a catchy tune.
Beethoven wanted to eat.
The guy you've never heard of who just sat at home on his piano was in it for exploration of sounds

Reich composed Minimalism & Post-Minimalism pieces . Minimalism was influenced by eastern classical music correct?

Then why was Beethoven arguably progress music more than any other human being if it was just about making a catchy tune? why did he write things like the groBe fugue which many thought sounded terrible? Also, there is so much more to any classical music than just a catchy tune, why would they create any interesting harmonies if they are just creating good melodies?

>groBe fugue
>not mentioning the Missa solemnis, his greatest late work with his clearly superior fugues
Thovenplebs, everyone.

Beethoven actually had a well enough upbringing and enough aristocratic connections for economic reliability to allow for more artistic liberties. Similar story with Haydn where he basically had an orchestra at his disposal at Esterhazy that allowed him to experiment with what worked and what didn't.

>groBe
lrn2ß

if that's your criteria, it's impossible to compose in a more or less classical or romantic or whatever style without the result being derivative and worthless

classicalfags are so embarrassing, I love classical from the 1400s to this year but the people who put it on a pedestal as the SUPERIOR MUSIC are fucking retarded and usually have super entry-level taste ("Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Vivaldi, Schubert the list just goes on...")

It’s ok because people can listen to whatever they want! :)

there's a difference between people who are genuinely interested in classical and people who name drop classical to bolster their ego

people who actually know shit don't generally pretend classical is superior

The fact that you posted a shitty anime girl in your post for absolutely no reason makes me think less of your opinion. It’s unnecessary and takes away from your point. Learn from this.

>entry-level
>Mozart underrating

I don't think it's okay, but I unfortunately have been ignoring it for a very long time now. And that is completely my fault.

And what differs me from others in this thread is that I admit that it's my fault that I'm too used to listening modern music and too used to listening to things in album format and other reasons. I don't go around insulting classical music just to excuse me not listening to it.

This is a very well-known defense mechanism (for Americans not educated in basic psychology: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_mechanisms) which states that someone will start excusing their behavior of not doing something by deeming that action less worthy and start insulting and disdaining it.

Don't be a pussy and admit it's your fault for ignoring 500+ years of excellent music, not music's. And work on correcting that.

>The big three
>entry level

Some pieces are entry level, this does not mean they are bad. But you can't classify composers as entry level.

Only the first two are good, the rest have better pieces that represent them

And out of the constraint comes what separates the genius from the "creative" soyboy.

Still - I'd say:
Mozart would have loved the synth & samplers especially for fart sounds
Bach would program a computer to output serial music with perfect harmony
Wagner would have loved the TB-303 and would have turned jazz into an iron German kind of psychedelic gigantomania.