Why is it dead?

Everyone likes saying how rock is dead. But how come? What actually led rock to its self-destruction?

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this is the most retarded discussion in music

it almost exhausted its possibilities, like a star going supernova, exploding and turning into a dwarf star. it's hard to innovate in this genre anymore.

Synth.
You don't have to learn an instrument or even the tiniest bit of theory.

As with everything computers > people

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."
-Taylor Swift

rap is cheaper to produce and perform, plus it fits their agenda.

if someone told me this exact post verbatim was originally posted on that banksy twitter account I would believe them

It's not dead it's just that almost all rock music being made right is terrible, you'd only need a few actually great bands to pop up and breathe life back into it

and the end results sound even more exciting than the ordinary voice/bass/guitar/drums format. basically a bigger return of investment. and you could be the whole band.

takes more/costs more to produce a rock album

You can come up with a "riff rock" tune but spend weeks if its not mic'ed right, tone is bad, drum sound is like cardboard,

bleepy bloops are like candy for the ears & cheap to produce... you have samples so much of the production is already done

really? I'd say there's plenty of great bands, but more shit you have to wade through to find them

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I think it was largely the initial tanking of the music industry and the death of albums as a big pop culture phenomenon as well as filesharing, etc. making a glut of older rock music and indie much more easily accessible coinciding with a time when mainstream rock was pretty weak, it just stopped being profitable for the music industry to push it

>You can come up with a "riff rock" tune but spend weeks if its not mic'ed right, tone is bad, drum sound is like cardboard,
The same thing applies for bleeps. You can't make a hit song using only presets.

>why is metal dead?
>It used to be huge but now,only a couple of albums are out in the mainstream.The metal scene is almost gone.

An US metal faggot during the 90s

This is absolutely false.
Half the rap beats that are huge I instantly recognize as sample beats from pro tools with one maybe two samples looped over it.

Rock died because everyone's idea of a rockstar changed from David Lee Roth to Kurt Cobain.
Normies want fun, now rock was never going to be popular again.
This was intentionally done by the media to destroy rock, so black people can take over the music industry

The only good bands now are ones copying their style from before the 21st century, they're a nostalgia act they're not giving a new direction they can't really count

rock is dead?

rock is deeeee eeeee eeead .....

LONG LIVE ROCK

Cause white guys are effeminate now

Metal just isn't cool this decade similar to how it wasn't cool in the 90s. Metal was cool in the 80s and 2000s, so...2020s metal revival?

Most of what passes for rock this decade are girl dream pop singers with bland, faceless nu male backing musicians.

I agree it wasn't the best time for mainstream metal and the 80s metal giants all went to shit in the 90s, but there was a lot of great underground stuff.

global rule 2

global rule 11

>metal is popular when there's a Republican president and unpopular when there's a Democrat president

Talk Talk and Slint killed it.

So like Samantha Fish?

Its just easier for kids now to make hip-hop music cause all you really need is a laptop and the ability to rhyme. While if you want to make a rock band you need to be able to afford an instrument, an amp and the ability to play without people getting pissed at you as well as other people. It's just more accessible, Post Malone made his first big hit White Iverson in 2 days on a laptop and just uploaded it to SoundCloud. But there is still people making good rock music like Alabama Shakes.

>But there is still people making good rock music like Alabama Shakes.

this is your example of good music? this is objectively terrible. the drumming is especially atrocious.

I like a few of their songs, but rock has gone international and there is more cross cultural and cross genre blending now so just straight rock is more just rehashing what has already come along like Greta Van Fleet being basically Led Zeppelin lite. But meh maybe I'm wrong whatever lol

Rock is the Hockey of Music
hip-Hop is the soccer

>and the end results sound even more exciting

This is false no matter which way you look at it.

>4 or 5 professionals coming together to play some music, locking into the groove with no one missing a beat = fucking magic, especially live, even more especially when you realize that 4 or 5 people did this all at once.

versus

>1 douchebag with a laptop and some drum samples

Talent from a single person will always, ALWAYS be dwarfed in comparison to 4 or 5 talented people coming together to make the same thing happen.

>speaking as a faggot with drum samples and a guitar DAW, I'm speaking from experience here

& electronic was perfected in the 80s, what's your point...or do you think it's being pushed ahead still by bands like death grips

>Rock is the Hockey of Music
>hip-Hop is the soccer

sort of yeah its just simpler and easier to, financially and just in terms of accessibility. I'd say rock has another hurtle of you needing to learn an instrument as well, while making beats takes as much effort but is simpler to do in terms of time, tech and greater in terms of output because you have more access to different soundscapes

>rap listener calls other people underage
like poetry

>literally no argument, so i'll call him a shill!!!!1

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It was kept alive only by patriarchy and white cis males, so it was inevitable conclusion to racist music.

It's the only genre you can't make on your computer.

> & electronic was perfected in the 80s
>pushed ahead still by bands like death grips
americans...

reminder that bands like imagine dragons or twenty one pilots are considered rock by the mainstream

It's not incorrect that rock has been a symbol of white male machismo since Elvis.

They're rock. Toothless rock with no edge to it, but rock nonetheless.

Portishead are sample-based. The Books are sample-based. Trent Reznor is a one-man band. I know the first one isn't exactly rock music, but all three serve as examples of guitar/rock music playing along nicely with sampling and computers.

Rock is dead in it's current state because all the new bands operating right now (sans minor examples like King GIzzard) are [trigger alert] 80's revivalist wanky shite that appeals to no one but ignorant feelsy whiteknight tfwngf soyboy hipsters. There is so much more to be done with rock music by expanding on ideas birthed by first wave post-rock, yet people are either 1) talentless 2) ignorant 3) lazy 4) idpol memers that would rather consume second-rate trash made by racial minorities than be honest with themselves and listen to music that actually appeals to them instead of trying to fit in.

Rock music is far from dead, but it's naive to expect a proper rock revival to happen from this current generation. Perhaps in 5 or 10 years we might see it, similar to how the 90's revived easy listening and the 10's revived synthpop, but right now the folks are just too low on influence and too rich on ignorance to make something of *actual* worth.

Noel won't get over himself

The capabilities and price range of digital music software is VERY different now than it was when any of these people started out.

>and the end results sound even more exciting than the ordinary voice/bass/guitar/drums format.

Rock hasn't been restricted to that format since the 50's.

It's also more exciting when you know someone is actually playing said instrument (and yes, you can play synths) instead of simply sampling it or using stock presets of some kind.

When artists would have to scour record shops for samples, build their own synths to get a particular sound, invent instruments, invent studio techniques, that was indeed exciting. People fiddling on laptops isn't. There's nothing exceptional about it.

>All that matters is the music. Who cares about the tools.

That's a fair point, but modern digital production and distribution has made that kind of music a cheap commodity now. It's why there's a new Lil or Yung seemingly coming out every week. You used to wonder where a producer found a sample or how they created a certain sound, so it was impressive in that regard. Knowing they downloaded a bunch a music to curate samples as opposed to digging and seeing what "found art" objects they could make into music is a lot less exciting. Same with just modulating some sound in FL versus building your own instruments.

Skill (i.e. instrument playing) and execution (composition, invention) has always been a part of music's "aesthetic." No one would care about a Charlie Parker solo if he composed it on a laptop and pressed play to perform it, for instance.

>1 douchebag with a laptop and some drum samples
i'm talking about music as a whole, not live performances. electronic music sounds much more diverse, rich and exciting than the stale rock music.
also electronic music doesn't consist only of "douchebags with a laptop and some drum samples", but also of actual musicians and bands. e.g. depeche mode, the human league, jean michel jarre, yellow magic orchestra, royksopp, kraftwerk, underworld, the knife, massive attack, portishead, bjork, moby, grimes........ you're just listening to shit electronic music made by douchebags with laptops.

bait

Thank God for piracy then.

Another thing keeping rock down aside from the ones I mentioned, is (dad)rockists who still abide to 60s and 70s standards of rock music. This for example, is a dadrockist.

>10's revived synthpop
dude, '00s revived synthpop. did you live under a rock?

New wave, synthwave, future funk, whatever else falls under the current trend of 80's revivalism, all are correct.

>but it's naive to expect a proper rock revival to happen from this current generation.

It'll be really, really difficult because rock isn't really compatible with the soundbite, one-liner, 6 second gif world of social media like hip-hop and pop are.

And yes, rock is infinitely flexible, just like any other genre. I don't know why people (usually music "critics" who are trying to be iconoclastic) restrict rock to guitar, drums, bass, vocals while granting hip-hop total genre bending freedom.

Case in point:

>Guitar music continues to evolve, but for all its versatility, rock simply isn’t the rule-free zone that hip-hop is. The further you stray from guitar, bass, and drums—holdovers from the blues, R&B, and country that came before—the more likely you’ll do one of two things: create something that’s innovative but not really rock,

But hip-hop can stray from a rhythmic beat, and still be called hip-hop. Such horseshit.

>Talent from a single person will always, ALWAYS be dwarfed in comparison to 4 or 5 talented people coming together to make the same thing happen.
huh? so, people are more impressed by 5 people doing the same thing as one individual? it should be viceversa. one individual that make the music of a whole band is more impressive than the same music done by 5 people.

Commercialization, and it's not only rock music.

Because hip hop has never been a form of music. There's no hip hop or rap scale.
Because hip hop has been about stealing other people's music since day 1.
When you are a genre that relies on theft there's no limit to what you are allowed to steal.

For the answer to that,let's ask Aerosmith drummer Joey Kramer. From a 2012 interview:

"Longtime fans will understand [Music From Another Dimension]. But you've stated that you want to reach young kids of today with this album and not just people who were listening to you 30 years ago."

"Rock-and-roll is all about having a good time. When we were growing up, you'd go see Hendrix or Janis Joplin or the Rolling Stones and think to yourself 'Wow, cool. I wanna be up there on that stage someday!' I think rock music lost its way when it stopped being about fun and instead changed to shoegazing and hating yourself and wishing you weren't there. In my opinion though, music of the kind we represent is due for a comeback."

the actual synthpop revival started in the early '00s (ladytron, goldfrapp, the knife, the postal service, kylie minogue, client,...).

>electronic was perfected in the 80s
if we're talking about experimental electronics, the 60s and the 70s with stockhausen and xenakis

if we're talking about popular electronics and dance music, the 90s

the 80s and early 10s are the dark age of electronic music when it almost got killed by excessive commercialization

> I think rock music lost its way when it stopped being about fun and instead changed to shoegazing and hating yourself and wishing you weren't there.
He's actually right, the last big mainstream rock band, Nirvana, had a front man who hated himself and killed himself in the end. Many rock bands followed in that fashion (of sad, self-hating songs). The general audience just didn't find that appealing.

there was good stuff in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s. the dark age was actually the early period (pre 70s) when electronic music was an academic novelty.

those lack the reverb and neon purple aesthetics

Because there aren't any cool role models to look up to anymore

They're all sjw anti-rap elitists with leather jackets, beards and fender jags/teles

yawn

there are still new guitar based bands that are pretty popular. big enough to play huge theaters at least

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are they top 40 radio huge? no, but big enough.

>blocks your path

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>This (You) for example, is a dadrockist.

How do you figure? Like I said, rock strayed from its original conception over 60 years ago. Rock has as much flexibility as any other genre.

The "instrument" thing? Yeah, unfortunately, there's nothing particularly interesting anymore about music via pure digital production. Anyone can do it. The learning curve is shallow relative to learning an instrument (and yes, turntables are instruments imo, which is what made something like Endtroducing so compelling) and actual composition.

There's just nothing exciting knowing a "producer" put a track together with sourced material from the Internet (downloading samples) and presets, fiddling with the computer like he's doing taxes.

Now, if said producer composed original material, had session musicians perform it, chopped it up and made something, that's a different story.

>But that's expensive! Bedroom producers don't have that kind of money.

It should be. Sounds undemocratic, but when the tools are cheap, the product becomes cheap. Even Guru got tired of just sampling and started hiring backing bands to play his material. Kendrick is doing similar, iirc.

There’s loads of good rock music but the industry doesn’t care for promoting it or writing about it. They get peddled trash and they write about trash, because that’s where the money is.

still synthpop. it's more modern than the current 10s revival - the latter sounds much more like the 80s than the 00s synthpop.

do you care more about how music has been made than the actual sounds?

>do you care more about how music has been made than the actual sounds?

Not more, but the "how" has always been a part of music's total aesthetic from day 1.

When you listen to a piano, violin, trumpet, etc virtuoso part of the enjoyment is indeed appreciating the lifetime of hours they put into honing their skill.

Not just restricted to "traditional" instruments, either. I'll always marvel at the great turntablists, singers, and yes, even rappers. I also appreciate the way the older electronic musicians used to build their synths, circuit bend, etc to get that sound. Modulating in FL studio is boring by comparison.

I used to be more of the ends-justifies-the-means mentality, but "producers" are shitting out material at lightspeed. Production has become easy, and easy things aren't interesting nor exceptional.

I certainly do.
It's a good idea to treat most things that way. Like food for example.