ITT: Musicians tainted by their political beliefs

>muh socialism and labour party

>tainted for being left wing
au contraire dickhead

Easily, they could be so great without the shitty politics and SJW messages

you're probably legitimately mentally challenged if you think a musician can be "tainted" by their political belief

I mean, if their lyrics have nothing else to offer but political talking points and propaganda, it's not exactly as enjoyable as it could be.

Pink Floyd has always had shit lyrics though. As bad as some of it was on Animals, The Wall is where it really went off the deep end.

How would that change them musically? Stop being a bunch of triggered faggots; it's music, not politics.

No, not if it is blatantly shoving it in your face.

Godspeed for example can be enjoyed under a million contexts, in reality they are far left anarchists

Yes, not every songwriter is Bob Dylan, we know that. Just because you don't have the same political affiliation as a particular band, that shouldn't deter you or any other sensible person from enjoying their music. Other examples of this are Robert Wyatt, Henry Cow and rock in opposition in general.

He look remarkably like a fat Jeremy Corbyn in that pic

Because the Knife shoves their message in your face. It's too obvious and once you go under the surface, there is no subtlety or creativity. Once you pass that threshold, it just devolves into Karin screaming "PRIVILEGE" and "GREED" in your ear. I just want to listen to music without thinking of shitty politics. And they're great musicians too, the beats and sounds of that album are fantastic.

Listen, I'd feel the exact same way if a conservative artist did that. But I haven't heard it to that extent. It's too on the nose without any subtlety. So that's how politics can taint music

This is especially unnecessary to pay much attention to, given that their music is instrumental and no one would've known how they align politically until their latest not even album, but the liner notes. It's absurd having to explain this, forbid not listening to the band because of it.

The man is clearly a humanist and only votes left bc his parents were mancunian socialists. he literally said he doesn't see the appeal of voting for any party.

Wr-wrong guy OP . . . . .

>Because the Knife shoves their message in your face. It's too obvious
Most of the vocals on STH are distorted as fuck and often very playful rather than serious.
>once you go under the surface, there is no subtlety or creativity
At least it's there musically.
>Once you pass that threshold, it just devolves into Karin screaming "PRIVILEGE" and "GREED" in your ear.
Like, if you don't listen to the rest of what's actually happening musically, yeah sure. But then, idk why you would wanna take the...music out of...music.

>Listen, I'd feel the exact same way if a conservative artist did that. But I haven't heard it to that extent. It's too on the nose without any subtlety. So that's how politics can taint music
I don't give two shits. There's a fuck ton of 21st century NSBM that really puts that shit on the nose, but I don't care it's all about the riffs for me. When I am listening to The Knife's later stuff that is more political, I am listening to something with an unconventional approach to groove centric electronic music that often has tons of vocal effects on, not muh gender politics or w/e.

Of course, and I didn't for a while. That's what I mean by a political band making their messages subtle because you can enjoy it without thinking of that premise. I thought of my own storyline for the discography. But they are a political band nonetheless and they have repeatedly said that they are leftist anarchists.

What I was talking about is when the political themes are blatantly unavoidable, my problem with "Shaking the Habitual" is that the music behind the lyrics is wonderful and vast. While the lyrics make the political themes unavoidable, hence it ruins the music.

I was going to post Ted Nugent, but then I remembered he is not a musician.
>m'guns
>m'rica

I don't want to speak for anybody but myself, but I read the lyrics along with the album so I can interpret it on a greater level. There are only like two tracks that don't have either have a socialist or feminist message. You can't remove that once it's their because that's the context it was made under. For example, learning that Ian Curtis was on the brink of suicide during UP and Closer completely changes the albums.

Listen, I pay attention to a lot of aspects in music, like film. I don't only pay attention to the lyrics, but the intents and purposes of the unconventional elements within the music is revealed because of the political messages and theme. Take the second to last track for example, at first listening it's an avant-garde outsider music song. But then you learn it was made to artistically go against fracking and the oil industry, so it becomes unavoidable with that in mind and it becomes obnoxious

Oh no I can't enjoy art because the artist has different beliefs from my own!

Too add to this - musicians are not politicians and whatever views they might hold and have exist in an ether of actual policies that affect other people. That's why any sensible person decides if he agrees or disagrees with a particular band in that regard and continues listening, without giving second thought to it or any.

But I listen to music to relate to the themes and lyrics, this just doesn't extend to politics. When there is a song about partying, stealing shit, going to the club, I'll probably not enjoy it because that's not my life. I don't like political music, period. I don't have any vendetta to people that do like it, but I shouldn't be called a drooling retard for choosing not to listen to it->

>he is not a musician
>he hasn't heard the amboy dukes

Truth

alt right retards should stay away from every art form besides Sam Hyde's painfully unfunny garbage.

See, you're looking at non-musical aspects to add context to the music you're listening to rather than listening for the musical qualities themselves. That's not only disingenuous to the art form of music because you give it meaning by non-music, but also goes under assumptions that author intent always matters (which it doesn't always, Ray Bradbury just really hated TVs yet F451 has a far different more popular interpretation.) Like putting human qualities to something that's not human only makes that itself a subjective interpretation that's on no greater of a level than any other one. I would personally argue that it's a lesser interpretation in the case of music as it then has nothing to do with the actual musical qualities of the music.

Ideas Man is the best video on Youtube.

>entire thread is just people flinging shit at each other
>only one guy has mentioned that OP posted the wrong member of Pink Floyd

you leave roger alone

'no'

A. Lyrics are part of the artistic vision and the music. So I'm not investigating what the artist thinks outside of the lyrics to form an opinion. So I'm not adding, "Non-musical elements" because it's in the music. That's a silly thing to say. And musical elements are human too, all opinions are subjective too.

B. I don't ignore any "Musical Elements" either, I'm aware of all of that. But when such a "In your face" message is added, it changes all of that which leaves "subjective interpretation" extremely narrow

I think it's fair for lyrics to influence one's feelings about music. They're in there for a reason. If they're done well, they're done well, if they're not they're not. I think how well lyrics are written- analogous to how well a point is made in a political conversation- is more important and leads to more compelling music/conversation than how much you may agree with the point. It's kind of stupid to have music tainted by political beliefs, but at the same time, a stupid, superficial political belief can't be well argued, and music that's all about that will necessarily have dull lyrics. The Wall for example is so shallow, but that has nothing to do with whether I "agree" or "disagree" with what what they're saying is supposed to represent.

When it comes to separating art and artist, I feel like you generally can easily enough, but a lot of the time ideology ends up influencing music to some degree

I think Roger Waters is worst with his absurd hatred towards Israel