Post your actual, unpopular, radical opinions regarding music

>Ornette Coleman has been the only good "Jazz" artist
>the advent of punk was the murder of rock music, orchestrated by power hungry music journalists and the industry
>you can blame nirvana for making rock music unable to ressurect itself

how many levels of rockist are you on?

I think normie music is as good as non-normie music, maybe even better

not an argument

The Rolling Stones were mostly terrible
The Who was mostly mediocre

I can't listen to music made by short guys

>recorded music was a step to far

There haven't been any great new rock albums since like 2005.

You didn't make one in the first place

>muh buzzwords

rockists are usually pro-punk, seeing prog as a failed attempt to merge rock with jazz or classical

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>nobody should use .09 guage strings

>00s pop punk/emo is vastly superior to 00s indie/pitchfork core
>The Beatles can never be considered a truly great rock band because they stopped performing live in 64, right before their prime studio output. A rock band without a solid live show can never be considered truly "great".
>Coheed and Cambria is the best rock band since 2000

>the idea that albums are inherently a rockist idea completely ignores what the album represents in rock and its parallels to other genres
>japanese math rock is exploring a pretty wide hole that western math rock did not target - making things that aren't either dissonant for the sake of improvisation and freedom, noodly sad whining or agressive, noisy chaos by making use of poppy hooks and smart use of dissonance much like the pop bands that have been critically aclaimed

>any sound is music
>hip hop requires the least talent of any genre to create
>floor tom > hats almost always

I agree with you on one and three, but could you explain two for me?

how do i into jp math rock? please give me as many reccs as you are willing

>i want to kill myself
>i wish to kill myself
>i would like to kill myself

could you elaborate on your first point and rec some Japanese math rock?

Stop it

Dude I fucking love you. You seem based as fuck.

>floor tom > hats almost always
agreed. pic related has no hi-hats, which is partly why it sounds so good

tricot, toe... the list could go on

i should have specified that i meant more modern hip hop. instrument sampling and rapping were able to be pretty impressive when the genre was still new, but now, even in more underground hip hop, all production feels so lazy and played out, and effortless vocals+lyrics really put me off. i especially hate conscious hip hop, which just seems like high school tier spoken word over ripped tribe instrumentals. i'm sure there is some hip hop i'd like, but the things i have tried have really exhausted me and sapped any inspiration to continue exploring the genre.

Guitar distortion isn't needed even for metal

name some good clean metal then

Jazz and blues wasn't invented by black people

What I mean is re-record reign in blood through a clean channel it'll be just as good

who invented it then

>00s pop punk/emo I'd vastly superior to 00s indie/pitchfork core

This. This. This. This. This.

>seeing prog as a failed attempt to merge rock with jazz or classical
do they really see it as a failure? i never knew

Sub sonic frequencies are just as much a part of music as the melody.

it would sound like dick dale

You indeed know nothing except throwing around terms like "rockist" incorrectly.

Essentially the album in rock, as a thing, generally represents a cohesive whole with an aesthetic, sound and idea in mind. It doesn't need to be a concept album or even something akin to it. It needs to have that aesthetic, sound and idea. How does this translate to other genres? For classical, it's represented in the opus. A symphony has roughly the same fit as an album - between half an hour and an hour, generally, as well as exploring an idea - alternatively, you could have a series of etudes or sonatas; these also count in the same way as an album generally does in rock. In jazz it's a bit odd, the album being a recording of a session. However there is something of a thing in that the standards and compositions played generally are picked with an idea in mind. Albums are not an inherently rockist idea - the exploration of an aesthetic concept is probably one of the oldest ideas in music. As for the latter:
the cabs is a big example of such a thing (also tricot but that's like reccomending someone American Football when they ask for Midwest Emo reccomendations). However, bands such as FULLARMOR, he (yes, that is the actual band name), henrytennis (slightly more Canterbury scene), Hanumaan and to a lesser extent bands like Kozumi (drifts more into poppier territory), a picture of her and fulusu (drift more into Midwest Emo territory). There's also a pretty unique scene of math rock that unabashedly takes from jazz in instrumentation, the main thing being Mouse on the Keys but also bands like Kagero or littleneem.

no, no it would not

i wasn't the dude you first replied to, i was just wondering

thank you to the moon and back, i'll check those out

Not an argument.
Outside of Ornette Coleman. None of these are even unpopular.
Garbage thread. Next.

stevie wonder isn't blind, he just likes sunglasses

>>hip hop requires the least talent of any genre to create
Ambient and Drone is literally made by people who lack talent in any field of music.
Hip Hop takes talent and some creativity.

>Garbage thread. Next.

Nico was more talented than Lou

David's Bowie talent was all other people

While rap can be polarizing, and to some extent it is justified to just "hate all rap", I think it needs to be respected how much talent it takes to create (good) rap.
there is no such thing as bad music taste

seconding the cabs, i've been learning one of their songs for 2 months now and its fucking brutal

I tried learning all crying on bass and it was fucking insane, and that's theoretically one of the easier ones. Their drummer just scares me the dude is a monster. The best part about that song is that it's still very poppy and listenable without ever sacrificing dissonance or feeling whiny. Sure, it's not to an unbelievable extent but that niche kinda doesn't exist in western math rock.

i've been stuck on the opening riff two riffs to 二月の兵隊 forever now, so don't feel too bad. this is the first truly 'advanced' song that i've ever desired to learn though, but its really painful to get through. no wonder their guitarist had a nervous breakdown and bounced on them

>A rock band without a solid live show can never be considered truly "great".
You are retarded.

music made on a foundation of musical theory is literally worthless and not worth existing

music is a medium for emotion and expression

It's a three piece that sounds like they have two guitars. They're insanely good. I kinda wonder why Western Math Rock falls into the camp of super experimental weirdness (Adebisi Shank, Don Caballero), noodly emo (The Brave Little Abacus, This Town Needs Guns), or agressively bordering on post-hardcore (The Fall of Troy, Bats), but never that oddly poppy yet... not style of Japanese math rock.

>poptimism is both the best and worst thing to happen to recent music
>punk strands of rock are almost all of the styles of rock worth listening to
>classic rock is some of the least interesting music to ever exist
>classical is completely pointless unless you're seeing it live
>hip hop has the most potential of any genre but consistently fails to realize it, and most of the genre is complete trash

they definitely have managed to keep different sensibilities from americans. even their shoegaze sounds a lot different

prove him wrong

You are also retarded

That's what I thought

>Ornette Coleman has been the only good "Jazz" artist
Excuse me?

Is it fair to call God himself an artist?

If his people can beat him nothing is stopping them.
They just haven't done it yet.
And probably never will.
He is all.
He is Herbie.

based

I guess pic related or Outrage! Is Now would be my picks, although as usual I always end up years behind in my listening and I won't have a decent number of 2017 albums until 2019.

Just got tickets to see Herbie in March. So hype.

Whoops, wrong thread.

Music recorded digitally is inherently inferior.

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Music is worse nowadays. There haven't been any bands since Nirvana that have come close to the Stones or the Sex Pistols.