Individual scenes were excellent in this movie. Shame that when strung all together it was just too much and convoluted.
Opening Scene, warehouse scene, Bruce's perspective on Metropolis, Day of the Dead, Bats v Supes first fight, Batmobile, Death of Superman -- all great.
Individual scenes
>A movie
bad choreography, maybe slightly better than nolan
I completely agree OP. The first shreds of competency from Snyder in nearly a decade
that's the problem with most Sony/DC movies nowadays. Whether it's incessant input from studio execs or just shitty directors, the movies are always so disjointed.
Disappointing movie although much better than critics made it out to be. I hope the backlash teaches the execs to keep their hands out of the movie, DCEU looks fine so far
> DCEU looks fine so far
>bad choreography
In what? fighting?
>Shame that when strung all together it was just too much and convoluted.
retard alert
How could the death be of supes be great if I didn't even remember it and it was ultimately pointless cause supes can't die and blatantly symbolic cause look we mentioned angels and devils and gods and look a picture of an angel look superman looks like Michael, is this deep now? Are we Evangelion now?
Also top kek at the worst, corniest and most cringe worthy villain I've ever ever seen in a movie.
>there were like 2 good scenes though
Yes the warehouse scene was excellent
Bruce being there to see superman 9/11 was also good
Too bad the other 2 hours and 20 minutes were fucking trash
Kys OP, u delusional faggot
the real reason this sucked is the same reason man of steel sucked, YOU CANNOT TAKE A MAN IN RED AND BLUE TIGHTS FLOATING AROUND SERIOUS
I mean fuck you don't have to make a light hearted comedy like every marvel movie but trying to show a "gritty realistic" portrayal about fucking superman is retarded. I mean nolan was able to do it with batman and co because even though it was all ridiculous you could suspend your disbelief enough to enjoy it, whereas snyder besides being a talentless hack has no idea what can and can't be played straight.
Also fuck the DC fanboys that try to pretend it was some hidden kino, I don't particularity care about marvel vs dc I don't read comments I'm not a virgin but holy fuck the fanboys need to stop buying tickets to these shitshows so dc wakes up and makes a fucking change.
The warehouse fight is the only good scene in the movie. It's too bad the context around it is fucking stupid.
>Batman can find Ma Kent but Superman can't
>Superman could defeat KGBeast way faster than Batman could and avoid Ma getting burned to death
>Batman continues to kill people instead of just saving Martha before Lex gives the command to kill her
>"I'm a friend of your son"
Fuck.
Man, you can't even into context and irony, can you?
Why is Bruce noticing that a stained glass depiction of the Archangel Michael reminds him of Superman important in a dream where he gets attacked and mauled by a giant anthropomorphic bat?
Why would religious imagery be important in a story about humanity's reaction to a superhuman alien living among them?
With a world full of people ready to worship Kal-El, why are the only two guys calling him a god to his face seeing him as either a threat or a pawn?
>How could the death be of supes be great if I didn't even remember it
The world doesn't revolve around you, fuccboi.
>movies don't have to be memorable
He's saying that just because you're too emotionally stunted to be affected by it doesn't mean the whole world was. Idiot.
this. most Snyder/BvS haters seem to be willfully retarded.
Zach Snyder is terrible. News at 11.
So I recently bought BvS in 4k and watched the Ultimate Edition.
Only ever saw the Theatrical once.
I was watching the entire movie and by the time Clark climbs up the mountain, I realised how the hellp long til they fight?
I looked and I was about three quarters into the movie.
I mean the movie looks amazing, especially in 4K but the movie does spend a lot of time on other characters besides Bruce, whom is basically the main character of the film.
I did spend time during watching it analyzing every aspect I could catch and caught many things I didn't notice my first time upon viewing and I don't mean the added scenes.
Overall I turned it off and turned on Suicide Squad Extended Cut LOL
2deep4u
obvious bait. grait
just because you're retarded doesn't mean everybody else is
I especially like how, had the positions been reversed (superman goes to save martha-martha-martha and batman goes to confront lex in the kryptonian ship with the kryptonian spear) the movie would've been over 50 minutes sooner.
its a good movie when will marvelfags understand it?
Well, Snyder is a guy who directs trailers and then put them together as a movie.
>dude isn't superman a bit like god lmao
this shit is the basic foundation of the character. Spending so much time pointing at it and making it such a huge part of the narrative, AS IF NO ONE EVER NOTICED IT BEFORE, is fucking retarded.
do you think normies fucking noticed? they are used to watching marvel shit man
What's killing me is that what's coming is very likely to be an examination of some of the same themes Stan Lee explored in Siver Surfer: Parable, but from an altogether more optimistic angle.
Marvelcucks don't care about quality, they only care about Rotten tomatos and Box Offices.
That isn't even the point. It's not saying "SUPERMAN'S LIKE GOD LOL" you inconceivable dullard.
"normies" didn't go see the movie at all because they heard it was total wank.
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Martha was a metaphor for his soul you pleb. Batman saving Martha was his own way If redeeming himself.
There is no religious subtext, insight, or commentary. Just empty references.
the fact that so many of you discuss and debate a movie about characters designed for children is really unsettling, unless you're all ages 12-15. if so, then the amount of threads about superhero movies is understandable.
reminder that WB has invested at least half a billion into marketing the DCEU.
ooh, look, i can do metaphors! look, look, look! see?!
please, mate, these are mediocre, simplistic and self-indulgent kids movies masquerading as morality tales.
well, that's just business strategy and maintaining the brand. with the films, tv shows, comics, licensing, merch, and forthcoming theme parks, it's not bad business catering to kids, teens, and adults who find the constant stream of superhero films entertaining.
They start all the way back in Man of Steel, you mong.
Let me show you how dumb you really are. You think I'm talking about the church scene. When pressed for any other example, you'll come back with the other two most obvious images, but still utterly fail to understand what they mean and why they're important to the narrative.
You still think you're watching a dumb cape movie. I can relate. I watched Arrival the other day and it was the shittiest, most depressing romcom I've ever seen.
Yeah, damn shame it's only brought in 7 times that amount in box office draw.
Typo. Five times that amount.
Yes, the meaningless religious references did begin in Man Of Steel
No I'm not talking about just the church scene. Any hidden, subliminal, or subtle reference to religion in these films are still shallow and useless. Metaphors aren't good for how well they're portrayed, but in what the fuck they even mean
Provide me a single example of a superman-religion metaphor and your definition of "meaning" behind it
OK, genius. Tell me what they mean.
What? No, I'm saying they have no meaning. Calling Superman Jesus/God, even without being overt or obvious, means nothing on its own. Superman has to act in a way, or things have to happen to him, that somehow reflect on what he is a metaphor of; God. None of that happens
They're there to inform the audience of how the people of Earth view Superman, the invincible God-like alien who happens to be the first proof that there's not only extraterrestrial life, but it's superior to us in almost every conceivable way. Pa Kent knew it would happen. So did Perry White. You give people something that looks like a god and they'll start building a religion around it, or interpreting it in terms of the religions they already know.
The only exception to this is Jor-El, but that's because providing imagery specific to some sort of Kryptonian savior deity would not only be unwieldy from a narrative perspective, but it would also give away the whole game.
Spot the religious reference in this picture. I dare you to tell me it's Christian.
He's not, retard. That's not the point.
>They start all the way back in Man of Steel, you mong.
I find this hilarious because just yesterday DCkeks were arguing that there was no religious symbolism at all in MoS or BvS when it was being used as a point against them.
Make up your fucking minds, holy shit.
Your reading comprehension sucks.
Ohg your right, my mistake.
The argument DCkeks were throwing at me yesterday was that there was only one religious reference across both movies(the church scene) and that it literally didn't have any deeper meaning.
Again, DCkeks are both delusional AND arguing completely opposite things when it suits them. Fantastic.
Maybe if you're a manbaby, who likes amateur level crap made by people with no talent.
Link?
>They're there to inform the audience of how the people of Earth view Superman
right, but this is a plot point. Not metaphorical or meaningful in a thematic sense. I didn't mind, and actually enjoyed, how the movie showed us that the people of earth began to see Superman as a God even though he wasn't. I wrote a lame letterboxd review saying that it was even better handled than Dr Manhatten in Snyder's Watchmen
>Spot the religious reference in this picture. I dare you to tell me it's Christian.
You're doing it again. You're pointing to how obscure the reference is and using that the attribute meaning
again, metaphor is an object, relationship, person, tangible thing that represents thematic material. There's nothing said about God, Religion, Spirituality, Faith, or Worship in these movies. These movies are just about Superman
I'll check the archives and see if it's up there, I can't remember the exact name of the thread.
Your contending that there's nothing about religion and myth-building in a series of movies that actually has TV pundits discussing paradigm shifts, man's place in a grander scheme, and the dangers of making powerful figures sacred.
>You're
Take your time.
>there's nothing about religion and myth-building in a series of movies that actually has TV pundits discussing... the dangers of making powerful figures sacred.
that I will absolutely say is present in the movie. The Problem? it only has meaning in the superhero world. The West hasn't dealt with Theocracies in thousands of years. It's foreign to our conscience. Nobody thinks the Emperor, King, President, Fuhrer is God. Nobody. It's impossible to think that in the West. This would have had more meaning if it was Japanese or some shit because that happened only 80 years ago.
Deification is a slippery thing. People do it still, and they do it when they're not even conscious of it.
Still, a rose is a rose is a rose.
Nope, I'm sorry but I really can't agree that the theme of deification has any impactful or truthful meaning behind it in BvS.
There we go.
I'll quote the relevant replies to make this quick.
>MoS had literally one jesus analogy
>followed by a reply saying it had three
>where? All I count is the one with him standing in front of the church stained glass window. And that was a specific reference to that particular jesus story.
>followed by a quote saying DC fans have been spamming images of all three Jesus moments since release
>I havent seen jesus references posted in favor of these movies in forever. They arent even a big deal desu.
At which point that particular reply chain devolves into him trying to pretend he's been on Sup Forums for more than a week.
Why do you think that Pa Kent was so worried about Clark revealing himself to the world? It wasn't just for what it would do to Clark. In MoS, Perry was reluctant to publish Lois's story for the same reasons.
People would not shrug off the existence of a Superman in the comic book world or any other one.
The problem is, they went to ridiculous extremes for Pa to be paranoid about.
>No Clark, you can't run faster than an elderly man, they might think you're an alien.
Hell, Pa Kent already did more to risk revealing Clark's existence than Clark did, like taking a piece of that spaceship to someone who calls it amazing and unlike anything you can find on Earth, and then apparently completely forgets about it.
Well that guy's a retard, a casual, and a newfag. You're talking to a pro now, one who says that retards not only blow it out of all proportion, but also fail to understand it in the first place.
Dammit Clark you go back there and drown those kids otherwise people are gonna think you're jesus!
Jonathon did that way earlier in Clark's life. It was probably the thing that sent him down the path to secrecy in the first place - wanting to know where Clark came from.
You can Monday Morning Quarterback Pa Kent's decisions all day, but at least acknowledge that you're doing so with the benefit of information the character himself didn't have. The fact remains that his decision was to hand Clark a little girl to carry to safety while he went back for a dog.
You should watch that whole scene again. It's a perfectly executed foreshadowing of what we see Clark doing in BvS - panicking and overreacting.
And surprise, surprise - more and more people are starting to see his actions as those of a god.
this
so deep
As someone who started out where you are, trust me when I say you're suffering from a sizable amount of cognitive dissonance. You're not seeing what's right in front of you.
Go ahead. Explain why it's not. For a real laugh, why don't you tell me how you saw it from the start and it was tiresomely obvious?
you want me to explain a negative?
Explaining an absence isn't the same thing as proving something's nonexistence. I'm not asking you to prove a negative. I'm asking you to prove it's shallow and obvious, the opposite of "so deep," and you're hiding behind semantics like a chickenshit.
That clear it up?
if you claim 2+2=5 its not my job to show you why its wrong, you made the claim you explain it
OK.
When Clark rescues the kids, he only had to because they were panicking. That's understandable. They're children. But since Clark, while not in any danger himself, is just a kid, too, he panics and dies more than he even has to and pushes the whole bus out of the river and the other kids go home and tell their parents about it, ending with Pete Ross's mom there at the Kent farm calling it an act of God.
The kicker? The bus driver had already opened the door before the bus even hit the water. How do we know this? We're given a camera shot down the side of the bus that shows the Stop sign swinging out along with the signature squeal of its linkage. That only happens when you push the handle that opens the door. All Clark had to do was shepherd them to safety. It's not telegraphed or oversold. It's just there to be picked up on and appreciated or completely overlooked.
In BvS, the whole world's in varying degrees of panic about Superman. In response, he's panicking too and overreacting, trying desperately to be seen as an inspiration and a protector and confused over how people keep looking at him and seeing a god instead.
People wave and cheer at heroes. They reach out in worship to gods.
>dies = does
Typo pottery.
right
this dilemma only exists in superhero logic. it's not thematic material
So cults and religious nuts only exist in comics and never have any impact on the real world. Got it.
It's honestly astounding how much people don't understand about these movies.
Either you people are legit braindead or you spend hour after hour complaining about films you don't remember shit about.
ok thats a sound analysis but I think its more of a theme than foreshadowing.
>People wave and cheer at heroes. They reach out in worship to gods.
that's not a theme though. that's part of supermans character, and it doesn't reflect or have meaning outside of superman
yes. the way religiosity and worship are portrayed in the snyder flicks have no meaning in the real world
Thank you. I can live with that.
doesn't matter how profound they are they're still boring
I don't find them boring but whatever floats your boat.
Well we haven't seen what happens when he comes back yet, have we?
You think it was tough shrugging off godhood when you're just out saving people? Try coming back from the dead. I'm sure that's going to have no impact at all on how people see him.
Personally, I think it's going to be a major plot point in JL. Someone else cashing in on Supes's unclaimed godhood.
Yeah, me either.
>Personally, I think it's going to be a major plot point in JL. Someone else cashing in on Supes's unclaimed godhood.
yes. a plot point. not a theme lmao.
how can you not see the difference
>plot point
affects how character will act later on in the plot
>theme
affects the viewers because of how it reflects a truth/substance in the real world
I guess you missed the part where Zod worships Krypton's genetic program. That's the theme - anything can become a god, even science. That's the danger of making things sacred. That's how fanaticism is born.
Right. If you nitpick certain characters motivations and ignore 80% of the movies then yes you can paint a picture that means a little more than nothing
but the movies aren't about that. the movies are about who superheros are going to fight and how they're going to beat the villain and save the day. same as marvel.
fucking hell, just watch the Raimi Spidermans for a lesson in how to make superhero movies that are about actual characters and relationships so that there's reasons to watch them other than pseudo-fanboyism
>still talking about this
controversial kino
>zod worships science
>makes climate change real
pottery
>faggots still trying to defend horrible Goyer's script and entry-level Snyder's directing by muh symbolism
Snyderfags are the most delusional people. Your idol is more pretentious Michael Bay, deal with it, you fucking plebs.
What you're willing to dismiss as "nitpicking" is utterly staggering in scope. It's the basis of his entire character -uncompromising fanaticism.
Raimi's films were awesome. So are these.
Michael Bay isn't pretentious though. He's low class and doesn't try to be anything else
Snyder I'd say is the most pretentious director working now, in regards to the level he percieves his work as vs the level it actually is. Followed by Nolan, for being slightly better.
>is utterly staggering in scope
top FUCKING kek
If you typed less like a retard, it would be a lot easier to take you for anything other than a half-literate child. You'd still need an actual point, mind you, but it would be a step in the right direction at least.
>Michael Bay
>Pretentious
Michael Bay is one of the most open and honest directors around
The only reason he gets hate from Redditors is because openly admits that he is just making a product and is a Conservative filmmaker
Nailed it. I hate most of his movies, but that's because of subject matter, not his skill as a director.
You get me wrong, mates. I mean, Snyder is just like Michael Bay, but way more pretentious.
>Michael Bay
>pretentious
>plebs
You are the pleb
>muh symbolism
Bergman is rolling in his grave right now
I watched BvS Ultimate last weekend and it's a hard film to like. I won't go into the characters themselves, as that's another box of worms. I was taken aback how dreary and "no fun allowed" the first two thirds of the movie were. It's as if Snyder went out and portrait being a superhero as being as shit as possible and make the audience feel bad alongside it. It's not even a faux-realistic approach of the Nolan movies, but more of a "I want you to feel as shit as possible, while all these unlikable characters shit all over Superman". You aren't awed by Luthor's masterplan, but rather get increasingly annoyed by all the cheap media manipulation schemes and people bearing false witness. There none of that adventurous feel of the first Nolan movie, where you can't wait to see more, rather, the movie the movie goes on you think "just stop the 'we all shit on Superman' parade" already and get moving. Both Wonder Woman and Doomsday felt tacked on. The whole movie could easily have existed without WW and Doomsday was like, rabbit pulled out of a hat to give the movie another, unfitting or maybe misplaced act, as the titular climax of the movie, namely Batman vs Superman just ended before Doomsday shows up.
There's single scenes that worked well. For instance, even though I said WW and DD felt tacked on, I enjoyed their scenes as singular set pieces, but they didn't enhance the flow of the movie. As a whole, I think the movie wasn't giving the impression as a cohesive all, but rather an amalgam of "let's throw things at the wall and see what sticks". Thanks to the strength of the action, production values and some scenes taken for themselves, I felt more content at the end of the movie than I should, but I'm not really eager to see it again anytime soon, if ever.