Do SPK and Rammstein have any sort of common ground?
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When WTF ARE THEY BOTH "INDUSTRIAL" ??!!
Do SPK and Rammstein have any sort of common ground?
Bentley Robinson
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Oliver Morris
They very much do
Ethan Gutierrez
SPK were industrial until 1983 and this blunder:
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Elijah Cooper
that's still industrial
Seems to me that you and OP are both confusing "industrial" with "noise"
Grayson Powell
No, we are not. What you're referring to is a slightly darker synthpop single. A combination of EBM and synthpop if you like.
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On the other hand, this is undoubtedly industrial, but not noise.
Angel Cox
It's kind of a silly question, because the main thing they have in common is just the defining industrial characteristics - steel objects banging, mechanical-inspired sounds, dark vocal delivery, etc.
The noisy SPK approach really inspired the noisy/atmospheric end of industrial, with groups like Brighter Death Now and zoviet france.
Rammstein were very clearly following the lead of Laibach, with the militant WW2 imagery and sound, but they augmented it with Ministry-style industrial metal; the characteristically German approach may have been influenced by Einstürzende Neubauten.
Joshua Allen
You seem to be well versed into industrial music and the history of it. Could you recommend any hidden gems (older and newer) and live performances worth watching?
Justin Wilson
industrial music is defined by the use of harsh sound textures, electronic instruments and steady "mechanical" rhythms. That's what actually sets it apart from noise, synthpunk, electroacoustic music and all sorts of experimental fuckery.
There are many ways to make synthpop sound dark, this specific song was made dark by the introduction of specifically industrial characteristics.
you can effectively turn any synthpop song into an industrial song by adding distortion and a pounding beat to it
I know you're trying to educate people because you feel that listening to early industrial makes you "in the know" but you're ignoring the reality of what industrial music effectively consists in, if you refuse to acknowledge the fact that Rammstein and this also belong to the spectrum of industrial music.
It's not like industrial was ever supposed to be set in stone anyway. When they began fucking around with electronic material and power tools, SPK and the rest certainly didn't intend to create a definitive and historically immutable style.
Luke Foster
check out the Halber Mensch video of Einsturzende Neubauten
Here's a neat excerpt: youtube.com
SPK - Information Overload Unit
Einstürzende Neubauten - Kalte Sterne, Kollaps
Godflesh - Streetcleaner (industrial metal)
Test Dept. - The Unacceptable Face of Freedom
Flux Information Sciences - Private/Public
Ministry - Filth Pig, Psalm 69 (industrial metal)
Missing Foundation - 1933 Your House Is Mine
Cabaret Voltaire - Red Mecca
Factrix - Artifact
ИOИ - Children of the Black Sun
Clock DVA - Thirst
Saw Throat - Inde$troy (industrial/crust/grindcore fusion)
Brighter Death Now - Kamikaze Kabaret
Anthony Jones
I have nothing against Rammsten. They are one of my favorite bands when I was a teenager. What happened with SPK is bastardization of a genre. Yes, there's still metal sheets being "played" with hammers, although with a disco aesthetic and weak, out of tune vocals. Not what I'd call a good performance or anything reminiscent of their contemporaries.