What's your opinion on trade schools vs going to college...

What's your opinion on trade schools vs going to college? I'm currently getting my apprenticeship as a HVAC technician to me it was ALOT better than going to college but that's just me.

Trade school will probably make you more money, costs less, and takes less time to complete
College will give you a more varied education. Go there if you want to learn more and do research, but it's kind of a waste if it's just job training

In the current climate it's the route to go. When everyone can go to college it makes college worthless. Unless you STEM.

Trade Schools are basically STEM for those smarter then minimum wage but not smart enough to get an engineering degree. Not even an insult, I went to trade school.

>But that's just me

That's the whole point. For you it was great. For others it's a terrible idea. You're not better than a college grad, they're not better than you. That is the mentality we need in this country because we need both college educated people (especially stem, but there IS a place for english majors and such, as professors as I believe in the concept of the renaissance man and we need smart people to teach our kids) AND trade school graduates.

Only thing that sucks about trade school is if you get in an accident you're fucked and have 0 earning potential.

>What's your opinion on trade schools vs going to college?

Trades are more in demand than ever. But people want to have the dream of what the media has fed them for a job. They want a job that is comprised of funny meetings, prestige, and most of all, instant gratification that offers a spur of the moment payoff.

It sucks and it's getting worse.

No matter how "automated" manufacturing becomes, those machines will need constant maintenance and repair.

It's your future. Who do you want to be?

Sure: a trade will keep you in the middle class.

Unless your technology gets outmoded, in which case your entire career is a worthless resume, because your only education and experience are centered around the telegraph.

An education isn't for work, though--it's true that a college degree doesn't guarantee you a good job. HOWEVER, all of the good jobs will be unavailable to you, without one. Sure: of the forty applicants, thirty-five have degrees, so the degree of any one of those thirty-five isn't going to be a deciding factor. But the five people without degrees? Those applications goes straight to the trash.

>applications

Who the fuck still applies for jobs? Networking or get fucked.

STEM, engineering in particular, is still shit because you'll have to compete with a bunch of Asians who got in just because of their good grades but have no real world experience of how things work.

Get your HVAC cert, spend a few years as a tech and you're probably gonna end up richer than those Asians in STEM.

"Networking" is a meaningless buzzword.

The kind that gets you jobs are:
A) Nepotism
B) People you do contract or other third-party work for or with, and ask you to send over a resume
C) Colleagues you meet at industry events

In B & C? If your "networking" means anything at all, it's because you've befriended the person who goes to the person doing the hiring and says "hey, consider my buddy Shlomo for the job."

This.

Either go to college for something really worth it, like accounting and engineering, or go to a trade school.

Liberal Arts is a scam.

>Writing, critical thinking and culture have no work-related value
Congrats on summer break!

wew thanx for clarification I almost signed up for compsci networking basics

>"Networking" is a meaningless buzzword.

I have only ever applied for one job, an internship during college.

After I graduated, they hired me on full time.

When I moved across the country, my boss called up a friend, and I walked into a new job.

When I moved again, a coworker/friend at job #2 called up a friend, and I walked into a job.

I plan on doing the same for my next job.

Not everybody is good at things. If you have an aptitude for actual labor, take up a trade. If you're better driving a desk and balancing accounting spreadsheets, take up college.

There is nothing wrong with either route, as long as you study something with value. That means no Master's Degrees in Feminist Basketweaving, then bitching because others won't pay your student loans.

My mechanic joked with me once while I was doing IT work for him, saying "I wish I was smart enough to understand this computer crap." I just had to look at him funny. I reminded him that he could completely dismantle an engine from memory while I still struggled just to change my air filter.

"Muh College" has become nothing but a liberal meme used to oppress and mock the working class.

Find something you're good at and make money doing it. That is the secret to success and happiness.

I'm not saying it shouldn't exist.

That being said, it's almost always a poor return on investment.

We need a few poor saps to go through with it.

By the way, I already have a degree and a comfy job in my industry. But go ahead and just assume any contentious opinions are 'summer'.

>Nepotism
sorry, read your entire post now.

Texas hvac tech here.

Partied too much in college and loss scholarship 3.5+ to maintain.

Racked up 15k debt.

Making $20/hr now in a $7.75 min wage state after two years field experience, one year of schooling.

I even have a DWI, doesn't keep the hvacr community from hiring you. The industry is full of old fucks and starving for techs, especially refrigeration ones.

Wish I never went to college, 80% of professors spoke English as a second language and the experience was very similar to high school (money rules)

Then again I always was a mechanical type of guy

Finish trade school, work in your field a while, and then if you decide there's better, yet still relevant career options that a degree would provide, then go for it. You'll then have the relevant work experience on top of the degree that so many employers look for now.

It's what I'm doing, and it's working like a charm. My company knows what I'm studying and is giving me the chance to learn some of the bottom-rung stuff before I graduate, so I've got a better foundation for a promotion when I do.

Trades are much more valuable to society than college degrees.

>hvacr

is HVACR a new term? I saw it on the side of a van for the first time ever yesterday.
Or am I just unobservant as fuck?

> What's your opinion on trade schools vs going to college?
College/Uni if you want to go the full route (Master or PhD) and do a degree that is worth it.

I went to trade school because I was sick of school and teachers, learned chef for 3 years, spent 2 years traveling around working abroad, came back went to University did my BA & MA in Hospitality Management and BS & BS in Food Technology and would do that again.

If you just want a fucking Bachelor because that's what the cool kids do, you're doing it wrong.
Learn a fucking trade, you can always go back to Uni and get a related degree.

This.

Don't fall for the higher education meme, especially if you have to pay lots of money in tuition fees.

I fell for the liberal arts meme and now have a worthless BA

What kind of trades should I consider going back to school for?

The latter of the two

Heating
Ventilation
Air
Conditioning
Refrigeration

Econ grad here. We learnt theoretical gibberish and I have no skills that apply in the real world.

Sup brainlet? Can't figure out how to use that degree? (lol)

I generally hire the person with the most experience regardless of background education. The "higher education makes you a better employee" meme should die.

I learned this the hard way, managed to duck out after only 10k of debt and had it all payed back two years ago. Making $30/hr now and I actually enjoy the work.

I don't get that graph, I thought supply and demand are quantities or something like a quantity per time. How is it a "price per quantity"?

>Go to trade school
>Far cheaper than college
>Learn a trade that will not only get you a job right out of school and help you learn skills that make you more independent but also guaranteed job security because your skills will always be needed

>Go to college
>Go into debt
>MAAAAYBE you'll find a job right out of school
>Never learn physical skills, nobody will ever ask you for help because they will think you're useless for having a white collar job
>Lesser job security since technology advances at an alarming rate and you could become deprecated at the drop of a hat
>Kill yourself when the company you work for downsizes and your "skills" aren't applicable in the future working climate

Tough choices there, m8.

College is a big scam in America. Go to trade school. Takes less time, you wont be paying off debt in your 50s, you'll get right into a job after trade school, plus you'll be making a very comfortable wage.

electrician. dont fall for the plumbing meme

Asst. Property manager here, high rise NYC area commercial office space. My building engineers make about 36/hr plus a shit load of overtime. There's nothing wrong with trade schools. If you're smart, you could always take some classes on the side later, and become a foreman/project manager.

It's funny that you say that... Because I'm smart enough to realize that I get paid better than my friends that have STEM degrees.

Welding

I was smart enough for a STEM degree, and I still dropped out for the Trades. Yes, on average, STEM people are smarter than tradespeople, but it's not JUST intelligence that determines what you do.

>Learn a trade that will not only get you a job right out of school and help you learn skills that make you more independent but also guaranteed job security because your skills will always be needed
now that truckers are going out of jobs and several companies laid of thousands of people in favour of automation, it won't be long before the trades cucks get automated out of a job :^)

Ignorant brainlet redneck detected

>currently learning a trade
>plan on getting 5 years experience
>saving up money to go to school for Mechanical Engineering with no debnts

Companies would kill for an Engineer who also has a ticket in the trade he would make drawings and decisions for.

For some reason, they seem to be extremely few and far between.

Is welding a meme or it actually makes money?

It's a fine option, we'll always need trades. I don't think enough people know about trade schools, which is why they go to college and end up digging themselves into a shitton of debt.

I always hear STEM vs Trades
What about law?

I have a bad knee, what trade should I get that doesn't require you to be on your knees a lot?

>based job that makes the world go round
>oversaturated college meme degrees that don't matter 99% of the time
hmmmmm

not everyone has the fucking privilege of going to a Finish trade school asshole

conqueror of the new world

>Wish I never went to college, 80% of professors spoke English as a second language
Sounds like most of my professors in the IT department. They mean well, but they never communicate their points well.

Anything but engineering, they're on their knees 100% of the time

If you have an IQ over 120 I would consider college. Then again trade school with smart saving if money am eventually starting your own business isn't a bad idea either

I'm 27 and my wife and I (which I met in college) both make 100gs and change, her parents are worth about 20-30 million as well, but college isn't for everyone.

I borrowed 30k to get my bachelors and maste Ed but spent my first year at community college to save money and got some scholarships to the big flagship university

HVAC is a very good choice, you will be making easy money. My only tip is to get a mortgage with it after the next crash.

Is plumbing a meme trade?

I took IQ tests online and I'm in the mid 90s

You're a fuckup, but at least you turned out okay. Glad to see you didn't become a NEET after losing your scholarship.

FUCKKKK HVAC.

I did this job for a little while and it was the fucking worst.
Crawling around in 130 degree crawlspaces with duct work and getting covered by fiberglass insulation.

Never again.

>HVAC
niggers

Are you nigger with dyslexia?

That's why you shouldn't study economics.

Welders can make a lot of money

In the USA, if you're not in STEM, trade schools are better.

Actually that is good for any country when I think about it.

They're both good options.
I almost joined the electricians guild, but I did IT instead, and I have no regrets.
This idea that college degrees is a meme needs to die.
Go for something you actually enjoy or is actually useful and you've solved your problem.

So just know if you go into engineering, finance, law Ect, you will be competing for entry jobs with 110-130s. One you get in and move up, the average/work ethic/people skills go up.

Trade school would allow you to be on par with your peers but also give you a chance to save money at a young age and eventually plan and start your own business in that associated trade

See pic attached. An increase in supply means new technologies or improved efficiency, which lowers prices while also increasing the quantity both supplied and demanded. It is the shift of the curve. If you ONLY changed prices without changing supply, then your quantity supplied would not correspond to quantity demanded, and you wouldn't be in equilibrium in the market.

>When everyone can go to college it makes college worthless.

Are you sure about that? Last time I checked, plumbers, AC repair guys, and even elevator repair guys don't get paid anywhere near $200,000 per year.

Trade school seems like another Wall Street scheme to get the white goys away from college and bring in more brown people to college for free so that the hypocrite left can gain more democrat support.

unless they make machines which can repair other machines

What the fuck does this graph even mean? I always see it everywhere. Why not just "Don't make too much or too little of your product, try to meet the demand instead"?

I will push my kids for a trade over traditional college education.

One of the reasons I really liked Rubio early on was that he was pushing hard for kids to pick up trades over college.

You start working sooner, you get good money much faster, you don't have to work in a field with a ton of spergs, the competition isn't nearly as tough and best of all you don't have debt.

You don't know the half of it.

Try going from a 110 degree rooftop to a -10 freezer and back to the 110 degree roof multiple times.

Job is not meant for niñas

I was enlisted military, did a 2 year vocational degree, then moved on to a four year business degree and now work in an office environment as a pleb middle-manager.

The only problem with vocational types is that some of them are borderline illiterate and/or sound retarded. I don't believe this has anything at all to do with university or higher education. It has to do with how you are raised and how you live your life. Not all tradesmen are white niggers, but a lot of them are.

So on one hand you have suburban college fags, who can't even change a tire, but are good ambassadors for a business, present well, and can crunch statistics on a spread sheet. And on the other hand, you have guys that are super good at fixing everything in sight, but present like a special needs 7th grader.

Which is worse? I don't know. But the tradesman who actually are really sharp should do themselves a favor and get some higher education under their belts to show this to the rest of the world so that they aren't unfairly lumped in with the former group.

If your friends are not degenerate enough to rapidly lose their jobs, they will prove that they offer value to the companies, then will readily pass you in wages. Don't be so ignorant.

Trades are more of a sure thing, but often cap out at less.
STEM have a harder time finding a job, but if they prove they are not a valueless plug, they will soar.

t. a 4th year Structural Engineering student who is working in their 3rd consecutive summer coop term at one of the most desirable companies.

Yeah, I'm a trade worker and I don't make anywhere near that. I own my own business and make over 250K/year

Drafting

You can always find a steady job in trades, but be mindful that labor rates have not risen in 20 years thanks to the importation of labor. Getting a college degree in something useful will not only bring you more money, but potentially more influence for right wingers, especially if you become a politician, writer, educator, or lawyer. I think I could have become one of those things but I ended up as a mechanic instead. No lack of jobs but wages are all low.

I like this picture.
The trade student looks like he is stretching his head, confused and not sure what to do with himself. As if it is saying, All Trades workers are DUMB

The College graduate buisness man is on his phone, holding a portfolio. As if to say that the business man is always answering to someone and always moving around with papers. Its like they are saying, All Business men are so smart they can only be ordered around and must stay on a short leash.


As a red seal tradesmen, I can say for certain I do not mine being seen as an idiots while being my own boss and doing what I feel is best.

Trade school most definitely. You receive hands on training in a skilled area in fields that are the least likely to be outsourced and are usually always in demand.

Trades will be worthless within 20 years

They're the easiest 'educated' jobs to get into. It's where the intelligent foreigners will end up going, and where people dissatisfied with college will go.

And it's right in line for being automated, reducing the number of people needed for doing anything on top of the influx of desperate people looking for work. This will all simultaneously reduce pay down to minimum wage levels.

"Just go into the trades, gosh" is a boomer myth. Trades aren't as good as they're made out to be. Making a good living in the trades is a matter of luck and nepotism already, and those guys can't see how anything could possibly ever change about their job.

You want something semi-future-proof, you get into robotics (electrical engineering, computer science, mechanical engineering) and make the robots putting everyone else out of work.

Also, I really can't do anything to politically influence people in my profession except shitposting in my off time. Yay.

I went to college for civil engineering. I ended up in construction project management. That was 12 years ago and Im just now getting to where im earning more than most of the crew in the field. That said certain trades still make more, and in order for me to make what I make I regularly work 12 to 14 hour days because im salary. Trades are all hourly with overtime when you work it.

Oh and if you want to be an utterly useless parasite who simply exists in society and will always have a job, you go into politics, finance, or corporate management.

Union guys make retarded money especially for the amount of work they actually do. I really dislike the idea of unions but I'm not going to lie and say they don't make good money because they are required to be paid for every single little thing.

I don't think trades will disappear in 20 years. They will never make machines that can think creatively enough. But I think they'll make cars to be throw-away and recyclable enough that mechanics are limited to oil changes.

You're literally a high-schooler if you think this. If you can't write well by 10th grade you're fucked either way.

I should also note that I work in California with crazy high prevailing wage rates.

Every second person wants to be a tradie here, so it's hard as fuck to get a decent trade, especially since you're mostly battling 16 year old who they pay next to nothing. I was planning to do an electronics trade in the army, but unfortunately previous mental issues disqualified me, so I just gave up and went to uni, but I really wish I hadn't

Corporate management is not stable.

Except in those areas you can benefit white people and influence politics. So they're not useless in that aspect.

Where the two lines meet (supply meets demand) is what wages will be or what that goods will cost in a perfect market.

If some outside force pulls on one of the lines, it will drag the other with it, creating a new point on the graph

TL/DR - Mr Shecklestein uses these theoretical scenarios to pull one over on the goyim

if you're cool with doing labor then trades are fine, but some people go to college because they want a job that requires a degree.

i think the issue is that kids aren't really given much time to figure out what they want to do for the rest of their life, so they get pressured into choosing something early and end up hating it or going into debt getting an education for something they're heart isn't set on.

fucking dying over here

Cars are about to get significantly less mechanically complex.

"Working" on an engine will consist of taking the watermelon-sized engine out of the car, and replacing it with a new unit while shipping the old engine to the manufacturer. It'll be done in 15 minutes.

The only significant wear-and-tear will be brakes and drivetrain. The former getting a little more complicated, and the latter getting simplified.

A lot of (all, in the case of lazy mechanics) diagnostic work will consist of plugging a computer into the car so the car can tell you what's wrong with it.

>Are you contributing or learning skills that will help you contribute in a positive manner?
Then either way is good. Even if you are making a lot of money and helping the GDP it's good.
>Are you wasting time a resources on a thong that will not further society ?
Then you are a waste of space and valuable rescorces

>ALOT
>a lot
HVAC is a trade you learn in prison. You'll be working with niggers and ex-cons. Fuck that shit.
Do yourself a favor and become an electrician, instead.

I agree. I've seen this before. Having the field exp. allows you to know the little kinks in design that would take other engineers years of experience to accumulate.

Direct example:
I was designing a Reinforced Concrete roof slab last week, 6m x 25m. I followed code to a T. When I presented my design to be checked over I was told to alter all of my rebar spacing and sizes because contractors "don't typically do it that way". Even though my design met all applicable codes and standards, there was other intracisies involved that can only be known by experience from someone who has completed a design, presented it to a client, got it approved, sent for construction only to later realize that the contractor is not capable of building it to the spec we designed.
TL;Dr:
Real world understanding and hands on experience can be valuable in the engineering world if it's in a supplementary field.

t. Structural engineering student

>Making a good living in the trades is a matter of luck and nepotism already

So true. I would have loved to be an electrician when I was younger, but electricians in my home state were all union and blocked everyone from entering the business who wasn't a nephew, neighbor, or bother of the lady they were banging. Some real grade A scumbag material

electrician or welding

both make lots of money

Law can be solid if you have very good communication skills.

I don't think so. Most of my dad's friends who are plumbers are 45+ and they've seen it all, yet somehow, they still love their job. It seems to be worth it, but it can be intensely difficult if you have a bad knee or a sore back.

Don't fall for the IT meme. It sucks and I'm sick of this career.

What's up TexBro

I just graduated HS early and got an entrance job at some shitty cost containment company as a case worker. I really want to do a trade but I work 40 hours a day (I don't want to lose this job it "looks" really fucking good on a resume) can I work around this?
Also HVAC, electrical, or plumbing?

Any other bros with advice pls