I say, instead of Harriett Tubgirl.com, we should put Beethoven on all of the bills, problem solved. Or maybe half Trump, half Beethoven. It would be good.
Brandon Howard
> Brainthovenlets support Trump
Michael Davis
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Justin Wright
>putting some krautfuck on American money No, it should be John Adams or Ives.
Jeremiah Phillips
salty anglo salty jew and/or non-white salty neurotypical
h8rs gon h8
Tyler Russell
I can agree to Ives but Adams is a fucking popist. Not important in the least. The only other reasonable candidates are Gershwin or Copland
but they are Jews ;^)
Austin Gray
putting jews on money is an old anti-semitic canard and will not be tolerated
Blake Hernandez
is it possible to become a decent composer while being self thought (by which i mean studying composition and theory textbooks on my own, and not just dicking around on an instrument)?
Josiah Smith
you're all wrong. no classical composer can be on a bill for the u.s., because as the great french thinker once said, no high art can come from a land of proles. Townes van Zandt would make an infinite amount more sense than any composer. And Gershwin and Copland both suck no
Brayden Davis
Charles Ives wrote bad music that was only incidentally found to be tangentially related to developments that took place elsewhere but were uninfluential due to his isolation, and even then his interpretations of those developments were coarse and unartistic, or to put it frankly, quintessentially American. His recognition amounts to nothing more than forced propaganda and revisionism by Americans who desperately covet the garb of relevance but are in reality nothing but a tattered fingerslipper in the grand scheme of history. There are no great American composers.
Jonathan Martinez
I sure hope so user, or I'm going to have to kill myself.
Eli Gutierrez
Psst... Hey... /classical/...
This... This is Beethoven, the Ghost Version...
I'm completing my 10th symphony, and I'd like some advice from you posters. I see you have a lot of insight to contribute. What would you give me in the way of guidance?
Camden Ward
why not, is guidance that important? What is something a textbook can't teach me
Aiden Adams
Your fugues are the worst part of your oeuvre. Just stick to your advanced classicism. You do it best.
Gabriel Collins
Experiential knowledge of the sonic realm
Jason Lee
There were none. Until I came along ;)
Yoh can be taught to write like someone else. But to be an original voice or creative it has to be there fundamentally and you build upon it. Its ine of those if it isnt there it never will be.
Nolan White
Psst... Hey... /classical/...
This... This is Beet-... uh... B-Bartok, the Ghost Version...
I'm completing my 7th string quartet, lol, and I'd like some advice from you posters. I see you have a lot of insight to contribute. What would you give me in the way of guidance?
Adam Wood
I said I can agree to Ives being put on the money however we're in full agreement. America has been somewhat remarkably irrelevant in the classical music scene. Even shitty little developing eastern European states like Czechoslovakia have put out more interesting composers.
Robert Hughes
>Bartok fuck off, pedo
Oliver Gutierrez
You can still kill yourself anyways.
Alexander Green
They're actually separate nations, young man
Jeremiah Collins
People get degrees in composition from top conservatories and go on to not create a single thing worth writing about. I think some people just have it and some people don't, although not getting a formal education will probably stack the odds significantly against you and force you to work twice as hard. I don't think composition, being more grounded in creation and ingenuity, is as stringent as performance where self teaching will never put you on the same level as a professional. Read Widor's orchestration manual. Study fucking everything that anyone ever composed and steal as much as you can while still thinking about the material in an original fashion. Good luck but don't expect much.
Easton Jackson
I think creativity is entirely separate from musicality. For instance what makes someone like Satie or even Beethoven (who was of course far more musically gifted) stand out is an imaginative essence that just as easily could have been realized in writing or visual art.
Aiden Gray
not the whole time going all the way back to Zelenka
Xavier Robinson
My advice for aspiring "artists" is to get a real job and do it on the side. That way you don't put all your eggs in one basket and end up a resentful basketcase with 0 creative output and all of these people (mostly yourself) expecting work from you. I knew one such case, and he ended up being a sound engineer, and he is a suicidal severe alcoholic.
Jacob Ward
Beethoven was still creative and came up with new ideas. While I agree creativity isnt the whole thing you need some to have your own voice and stand out. And again if its not there it never will be. Some people are born to compose, some are born to perform, some or born to be football players and so on. But ultimately is it isn't fundamentally there to be built upon you'll never be anything more than in someone else's shadow
Nolan Fisher
Artistry involves 0 technicality. The people who play scales all day are essentially prostitutes for the composer's whimsy. They are not artists, and the more technical virtuosity they attain, the less artistry they retain (if it was ever there in the first place) - they squelch the semen from the egg and the conception never begins, and they end up on skid row playing wedding for peanuts and handies from fat Mexicans.
Cameron Wood
While you did put it a but harshly I kind of agree. I look at players as a means to an end not much more. To satisfy something I can't do myself.
Gavin Roberts
I have a real job. That might be part of the problem. I need to offset the tedium of my day to day life with some spiritual growth.
Jace Ramirez
delusional
James Lee
new lows even for /classical/
Ian Reyes
projection much ay? Accept your reality test user. I provided it for you for free. And nice double posting I see there Spend your real job dreaming of your next masterpiece bitch
David Anderson
well to be clear this is a hobby but I don't want to be writing absolute shit all the time. Right now I am writing twelve tone beats. Lord help me
Charles Morris
>projecting you seem to have a good grasp on that yourself.
what's a reality test?
Easton Fisher
How's this a new low. I am not the one who said its postitution but lost of great composers were fucked up or perverts. I see nothing wrong with being sexist. How does that make me any worse than the geniuses who were fucked up. Not to say I'm as good or a genius, but how would my fucked up things make me on a base level any worse than anyone else. Like I like 17-18 year old women. So. I'm 23
Nicholas Bennett
i agree user great music will always be great music even if it is riddled with wrong notes, terrible phrasing, complete and utter lack of intonation, disconnection between the musicians, etc. performers fucking suck who do they think they are for just playing back a couple notes? totally braindead shit! a computer could do it!
what the fuck is this post? if you're that guy a couple threads back that was talking about composing something because your underage girlfriend broke up with you you should just kill yourself already.
Joshua Ross
>i agree user great music will always be great music even if it is riddled with wrong notes, terrible phrasing, complete and utter lack of intonation, disconnection between the musicians, etc. performers fucking suck who do they think they are for just playing back a couple notes? totally braindead shit! a computer could do it! t. shitty "performer" prostitute lol
Ryder Lewis
Hey I still see nothing wrong with it and I got b& for that. But still. Real talk, my point was hows his a new low for classical music?
Gabriel Lewis
lol he actually took the type to screencap, imgur, crop, save image, and upload. wow that's pathetic lol
Jaxon Russell
We get it. Your 17 yr. old gf broke up with you. We get it.
Samuel Cruz
t. not good at anything and envious of anyone that is to the point where you try to do mental gymnastics to find ways to justify your pitiful existence
Logan Hill
twelve tone beats lol NIGGER ALARM... NIGGER ALARM... LOL
Charles Thompson
Actually I'm a world class troll and my name is Weev.
Mason Garcia
These are all the same person.
Luis Reed
I wont bring it up again. I guess my point was this >hows that a new low for classical Like werent there other composers who liked younger women?
Jason James
You're right user, they really are
Anthony Clark
>51 replies >8 posters Hmmmm.....
Gavin Ramirez
That's what happens when you can't into development. No bully pls ;______________;
Angel Johnson
Okay but "some Hungarian guy a century ago was a pedo so I can be too" is a really poor justification of your problem.
Juan Jackson
I guess thats a fair point. But its just like I dont know. I'm not gonna have a therapy session on /classical/ ill probably be banned again but I guess its more of an at least I'm not the only one type thing vs just pure justification
Noah Hernandez
>55 / 10 / 8 / 4
holy shit lol !
Lincoln Cox
tchaikovsky 4th symphony finale debussy- la mer - not much crash but one of the most intricate sus cymbal pieces in the repertoire tchaikovsky - romeo and juliet overture rossini - william tell overture korsakov - cappriccio edpagnol / scheherazade dvorak - carnival overture berlioz - roman carnival overture
Daniel Ward
If I write a symphony and it gets put in a library am I allowed to walk in and tear it to pieces if I want?
That's my point. If everyone let this kind of nihilistic bullshit attitude deter them then nothing would get done.
Michael Hernandez
I'm the lad from last thread that wanted to get into classical music You boys told me to start with Bach, so I'm working my way through the entire BWV What have I done? Has anyone ever listening to the whole thing? Am I hitting levels of euphoria/autism that shouldn't be possible in this realm?
Brayden Russell
you got meme'd kid
Robert Young
this thread is so bad holy shit
Mason White
In what way? Do you just go to random threads and post banal observations that might be relevant?
Caleb Wright
to be fair this thread is full of bait and unironic pedophilia
Easton Peterson
no one told me to listen to the BWV. They just said to listen to the major pieces of Bach and then work my way forward. The only thing I can compare this to is Literature, and I know that if you just read Dante's Inferno, Moby Dick and Brave New World, you're really not going to understand the western canon. I would assume it's the same as Classical. You're not going to fully appreciate and understand it from listening to Fur Elise and Canon in D.
Connor Sanchez
yes but listening to Bach without any prior understanding of music is like reading Shakespeare in Old German but more dangerous since, because it's music, you might not realize that you don't understand it.
Start with the Romantics: Tchaikovsky, Brahms, and then Beethoven. Afterwards slowly explore either direction: listen to Rachmaninoff, Faure, and Mozart. Dabble in Bach occasionally to keep your tongue wet but always hold back until you're ready, and give him no more attention than you would Lully, Locatelli, Vivaldi, Handel, and others.
Aaron Ward
Tchaikovsky is honestly trash anyways
Ian Parker
Good taste in spiritual teachers my man
James Morgan
>is it possible to become a decent composer while being self thought >thought
nope. Thinking about the self will only get you so far. Seriously though, you can become decent, but studying composition at university will make you decent faster and with more background information. The university environment also gives you opportunities to have pieces played by real people, to meet and form working relationships with performers, meet other composers, potentially meet and learn from incredibly inspirational lecturers, often established composers themselves.
Its like learning a language - you can learn the basics from a book, but you will never become fluent without exposure to and immersion in the real thing.
>What is something a textbook can't teach me A textbook can't go over your score with you and show you what could be done better or which parts aren't as effective or aren't idiomatic for the instruments. This for me was the most helpful part of university - being able to go to my composition professor and go through my scores with him outside of class time 1 on 1. I learned a lot from doing this as often as possible. As the prof was an established composer with experience in many classical genres, he always had some great input and advice. After 4 years of this I was able to do this process on my own, using my own experience of rehearsals and performances and my knowledge of orchestration.
Hunter Stewart
Why do you always do this Poly? How many people who ask this question are really going to have the money and time to study at uni?
Lucas Thompson
>How many people who ask this question are really going to have the money and time to study at uni? Eh where I live its easy to go to uni. We have student loans so you can study as much as you like then just pay it back (or not - some people never do...). Hell back in the 80s University was free here.
I give this advice because imo a formal education and at least some experience with real performers is the only way to truly become a composer. If people seriously want to be a composer, its a must.
Cameron Gray
I see. I'll take this on board Is there any reading which you would suggest for gaining an understanding of classical music? I have played piano since I was a child, so I'm not a total beginner and can appreciate most of the theory and technique simply from first hand experience.
Aaron Adams
>twelve tone beats
I have to admit that sounds horrible but still can you post one? I'm curious
Robert Jackson
America always wanted to distance itself from Europe and stand out through greatness, hence classical not being the main american musical academia focus. Though, based on Dvorak's observations, they kinda reached it through jazz, mostly due to the incorporation of African rhythmical work and European melodic and harmonic work. Hell, a walking bassline technically falls under counterpoint.
Logan Howard
jazz aint shit nigga
Dominic Cooper
I'm not saying I like it, but America has many reasons for not producing great classical composers - its brand of nationalism incorporated a folk element present nowhere else in Europe, the use of "groove" and repetitions in the vein of West African folk music, which is kind of really fucking difficult to implement in an orchestral style, so it became something else entirely.
Oh, right, this is Sup Forums. >t. adorno
Henry Young
I think it has more to do with the fact that the eternal anglo sucks at making music. Britain also has a shit-tier line-up. Holst? Get the fuck out of here.
Charles Lopez
Yeah, clearly it is Anglos failing miserably at classical. Though you could argue Minimalism is quintessentially American classical but that's also based on the fusion of european melodic and harmonic work and west african and european folk rhythmic work.
Levi White
>Britain also has a shit-tier line-up Renaissance though. You know, before the U.S. even existed? Tallis, Fayrfax, Byrd, Taverner, Gibbons and those guys. They have some great composers in other periods too - Purcell, Delius, Britten, Ferneyhough, RVW, Holst, PMD, Harrison Birtwistle, Finzi, Tavener, Finnissy.
Nolan Cook
>Minimalism is quintessentially American classical yeah it sums up the trash side of US composers. "Lets get high and write some tonal music that repeats a lot. Hey if we add some subtle changes maybe people won't walk out!"
Gabriel Smith
they can have minimalism. Its the worst movement. The only other thing they managed to champion was bullshit extended techniques like turning the innards of a piano into a hardware salad.
