Let's talk about the Islamic Golden age. I read a lot of Sup Forumsacks telling it's a meme and that globally they don't really made much more and that in fact Persians were a far superior civilization.
Here is the discipline where progress is credited to them: >Algebra/Trigonometry >Physics >Astronomy >Anatomy >Architecture >Philosophy >Litterature
There are others but honestly that's the main one. I remember too that during my history class Middle Age was presented as a period of total retardation from Europe where illiterate germanics lords fought each other to death while Middle East was the summum of sophistication.
Is this exagerated or were we really technologicaly and culturally inferior until the Rennaissance ? Is this another side effect of critical theory depreciating western civilization ?
No, white people have always been, and will always be the best Go back to sleep
Isaac Smith
Cultural Marxism strikes again
Civilisations never have ups and downs. It always one race, at the top, for all time. Persians were retarded towelheads who did some elementary work on Greek mathematics despite being the one of the largest civilisations at the time.
Michael Hill
even when the middle east was doing science it was still murdering and raping its way across three continents
How about look at every research which made our comfortable standard of living and see for yourself none of it came from a Muslim. Nothing Muslim's pride themselves for came from Arabs either, nearly all of them Persian who were great before Islam even existed
Logan Gonzalez
It was just Persians doing their own thing. Their accomplishments were attributed to Islam because it just so happened to be their main religion. In fact, near the end of the golden age they were told that doing science went against Islam.
James Nelson
As Islam took a firmer and firmer hold of Middle Eastern and Arabic societies they strayed further and further away from science and progress.
You can see it in their illustrations. Initially, Arabic texts on biology were prized as some of the most comprehensive and well-studied works available. They had beautiful, detailed illustrations and were very well researched.
Then Islamic clerics started admonishing science for not respecting the magnificence of God's creation. This lead to Islamic scholars straying away from accurate drawings and instead focusing on drawings that emphasized the symmetry and perfection of God's creation. See pic related - this is a flower.
This is why Islamic societies are COVERED in these geometric patterns and why they're so uppity about depicting Mohammad. I find it really interesting that they were on the cutting edge of things, and thanks to some religious fuckery they turned in the opposite direction AWAY from accuracy and factual data because MUH GOD.
Kayden Ramirez
so... just like every other Empire? I imagine you also think the British Empire was bad for 'raping and murdering' its way all over the world?
Face it, empires bring progress. For a few hundred years, the Muslims were the primary source of progress in the "western" world.
Henry White
It's kinda how bunch of modern-day Christians, especially from Bible-belt part of USA are anti-science as well.
Jack Russell
What I've read there were some notable Persians and even Indians who were pretty based. Anyhoo the real kicker is IQ as a median is higher for orientals (china/korea/japan/sea) in general. The weird thing about that though is they sort of were in this perpetual age where things never really progressed. China gets pushed around by nomads (mongols) and then gets pushed around by Europe and even Japan. Japan copied Europe though and you can still see how much of an impact it has on the psyche in their manga and anime many of it European based.
Blake Howard
>Discussed Evolution Greeks Did It en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empedocles#Cosmogony Astrology Pseudoscience and the Greeks had already done all of it. Studied Maths Law of Sines- Good on You Buddy
Charles Scott
Also ask yourself, do you really believe the inheritors of the Roman Empire and the basis of culture and civilization were taught civility from dunecoons?
Joshua Mitchell
well yeah, I know greeks did it first these guys just expanded upon it
Brayden Brown
The Greeks like other civs seem to be a series of white flight from Africa (Detroit).
Landon Lopez
>Islamic Golden Age >Literally robbed the Persians, Indians, Phoenicians, Assyrians, Jews a lot of other people out of their inventions and claim to be your >Literally say to Christian monks to translate Greek textbooks to arabic while Europe used original texts >Literally killed almost all of valid scholars becouse of Koran
>GOLDEN AGE FOLKS
If this isn't a meme I do not what is.
Mason Fisher
Sort of except illiteracy isn't a massive problem like it is in the ME and those Christians don't suicide bomb people or behead their children for not being Christian
Carson Bennett
>Christians >Protestants
Pick one.
But even they are better than Muslimes.
Wyatt Butler
Yes
Thomas Wright
That's true. They might deny theory of evolution, hate gays and are always pro-life but they're still harmless compared to Muslim fundamentalists.
Jaxson Green
It was inevitable that the muslims would have made great strides in anatomy, to say the least. You know with all the beheadings and such.
Luis Ross
Islamic golden age is not a meme
Greek golden age is a meme
Greeks stole everything from Mesopotamians and they sodomized/raped millions of boys
somehow, this rape of millions of boys gets a pass in the west because western civilization is based on Greek mythology
same about the animal fucking romans who had 50% STD rates in their empire
a black american woman has less STDs than your average Roman legionnary
Jonathan Williams
Fuck you Abdul.
Algebra and trigonometry was strated before islam. Pholosophy it was 4 faggots (Al Gazali, Al Farabi, Averroes, Avicenna) who improved nothing and some even completly dissed the greeks and kept on going to their integrist "virtues". Architecture and Anatomy, what did they do over the Europeans ? The biggest and best anatomic studies were from europeans and islam has little to nothing to do with it. It started in Greece (very little), then Italy. But it basically developed again only after the 1500s, in Europe obviously.
Robert Wilson
Have you noticed that when pop scientists talk about the "Islamic Golden Age," they often use the phrase "we owe a great debt" to the medieval Muslims?
Why does the rest of the world apparently not owe a great debt to the West for all its accomplishment?
What would it mean for us to "repay this debt"?
Jordan Cooper
>>Literally robbed the Persians, Indians, Phoenicians, Assyrians, Jews a lot of other people out of their inventions and claim to be your
That is actually what the Romans and the Greeks did, they stole everything from the people they raped and enslaved.
Slavs were not even relevant, they were busy fucking each other in the ass in the forest.
Jaxson Sullivan
Yeah okay Ahmed, coming from people who fuck boys to this day your words fall pretty fucking hollow.
Josiah Price
None of this is true.
First blood circulatory system description was made by a muslim.
Italy only improved the works of the muslims.
Fibonnaci studied Arab science, not French science.
Thomas James
>his religion isn't even 2000 years old
Landon Powell
Greeks stole nothing and invented everything motherfucker. Greece is undoutedly the origin of democratic systems, and in fact mostly Athens. They consist in the first historians and whatnot else.
The Greek ancient times since the Minoans/Mycenians to the classical Greece is a true wonder and miracle. The Greeks are the center of all of this, probably because of their position, also because of the vivid history there. Whatever the case, it definitely isn't a meme.
Carter Ramirez
Islamic age of science is such a load of shit.
Newton and Darwin were christian but you never hear about "The Christian age of science" or how christianity was somehow responsible for theories of gravity and evolution.
Wyatt Ward
>Europe used the Orginal texts. >"The Recovery of Aristotle spanned about 100 years, from the middle 12th century into the 13th century, and copied or translated over 42 books (see: Corpus Aristotelicum), including Arabic texts from Arabic authors, where the previous Latin versions had only two books in general circulation: Categories and On Interpretation (De Interpretatione).[1]" >"The lack of Latin translations had been due to several factors, including limited techniques for copying books, lack of access to the Greek texts, and few people who could read ancient Greek, while the Arabic versions were more accessible."
Kek.
Islam had it's moment in the sun, no matter how much you'd hate to admit. The problem is lefties use that moment to justify the backwardness of today's Islam.
Owen Cook
because the west is multicultural
49% of western accomplishments are Jewish accomplishments
what did the cumskins invent besides child fucking and icons worship ?
Tyler Peterson
British Empire lifted Africa out of the stone-age and unified India.
Ryan Reyes
Greeks are also better than the Persian empires in every way, so much so that Persians imitated Greek architecture.
Ayden Gomez
It is a meme. Sorry to burst your bubble, Mathematics was known to the Ancient Mesopotamians and Egyptians before Greece existed.
The Chinese knew the Pythagorean theorem before Pythagore was born, etc...
Ancient Greece is nothing more than a child raping, enslaving entity idolized by Europeans.
Caleb Walker
Mesopotamia is in the Middle East, before Jewfags evil Religon and etc there was the Enûma Eliš in which they stole everything from, reversed it and became horrible people. Killing one another over fairy tails, manipulating religion for money and control, stripping freedom and fucking up the world. This is what this Meme stands for. The good they did is far out-shadowed by the Death and Pain caused by their imposed order. Look at the twin towers for fuck sake, the rapes etc. Fuck their culture, fuck their false gods, and all the offshoots of it.
Cameron Powell
Newton wasn't a Christian. He didn't even believe in Trinity.
Darwinism is the stupidest theory anyone could have concieved.
Jack Thompson
>WE
Grayson Johnson
It's moment is way exaggerated, their 'contribution' inconsequential. It's not "today's Islam" that's a problem, it's Islam in general. Islam was shit for all of its existence up to today
Hunter Anderson
Islam is militant conformism. That is what it is. For a day their divine-right absolute monarch tolerated innovation (a sin equivalent to blasphemy) and freedom, mainly because he didn't know it was happening. For the entire rest of their history they have hated those things and devoted themselves to the murder and horrifying torture of anyone who might be attempting them. This is the opposite of a system for human growth, except demographically.
ALL THINGS WHICH DID **NOT** arise in their culture until AFTER they sacked what was left of Alexandria and other Greco-Roman temples.
I'm sick of this "MUSLIMS INVENTED ALGEBRA!" meme, because it's a lie.
Al Quassad (sp?) simply made a new symbol set and tweaked rules which were in place since EGYPT and formalized by the Pythagorean and Euclidian schools of geometry.
All the arabs did was fit it into their Arabic numeral system and build off it... and not until the fucking 1400's at that with respect to what we call "modern algebra."
EVERYTHING they had was just from the smarter among them reading through stolen books of other civilizations which by some stroke of luck, were not BURNED because they were not shiny objects.
Their progress in the fields of human knowledge and understanding of certain sciences is there, I will admit.
HOWEVER.
It mostly came from "non-religious" PERSIANS who practiced forms of Islam more akin to Sufism (mysticism) and was NOTHING I cannot stress that enough NOTHING LIKE "Islam" practiced in muslim nations today.
That's like comparing Fire and Brimstone Southern Baptists to Renaissance Catholics and saying the discoveries of the enlightenment are because of Southern Baptist Christians!
Absurd.
Fuck Islam... toxic overall. It needs to go because there's NO WAY you're going to turn them all into peace-loving mystics like Rumi or purify them back to the race they were (Aryan persians) at this point.
Flush it all.
Adrian Hughes
None of what you say is true Mohammerde. The muslims only and only come into place because they pillaged so many places and stole many important manuscripts. The few that weren't burnt to the ground became useful to the few non retards there and that's literally it. Meanwhile the church was preserving all of this safely and creating new copies of everything that they could. The Islamics are a stain on the face of the earth and will never stop to be. They've been since the start and are up to now.
Go allahu akbar in Syria and leave my country alone.
>anatomy hey, I guess you're bound to learn something from cutting off so many heads
Chase Taylor
Muslim's had Jew's way longer than the west did and yet never made an atom bomb or a computer
It's rage inducing how camel fucking pedophile worshiping heathens have the nerve to move to the west and ask what we've done. You animals need be slaughtered.
Dominic Cruz
>cumskins
Joseph Stewart
Islam existed before your stupid Masonic turned Jewish social experiment of 300 million mongrels existed.
And it will outlive your empire.
Ian Hall
Said man, who believed in the World was created in 7 seven days. God, how stupid are you?
Xavier Walker
t. Ahmed
Lincoln Morris
I seriously hope you don't believe in creationism
Landon Allen
>In 1242, the Arabian physician, Ibn al-Nafis, became the first person to accurately describe the process of pulmonary circulation, for which he is sometimes considered the father of circulatory physiology.[18]
>Fibonacci was born around 1170 to Guglielmo Bonacci, a wealthy Italian merchant and, by some accounts, the consul for Pisa. Guglielmo directed a trading post in Bugia, a port in the Almohad dynasty's sultanate in North Africa. Fibonacci travelled with him as a young boy, and it was in Bugia (now Béjaïa, Algeria) that he learned about the Hindu–Arabic numeral system.
Levi Jackson
Those places would be better if you had left well enough alone. Or just exterminated the population like we did.
Gavin Reyes
>>Algebra/Trigonometry
Avicenna was a legit genius and a true heir of the Greek tradition. He was also a Persian and a heretic, who was persecuted during his lifetime.
>Physics
Nope.
>Astronomy
Nope
>Anatomy
Double nope, any such inquiry would be incredibly haram
>Architecture
Nope. Domes are a Greek invention, those prayer tower things are Persian.
>Philosophy
Debatable, but okay.
>Literature
Yeah, no. Spain publishes more new works every year than the whole Muslim world does.
Tyler Mitchell
it' because we didn't find the need to bomb innocents or to create porn in which our women are getting fucked in every orifice by every living creature
Joshua Wilson
You do realize that the Enûma Eliš predates Islam right? The Enûma Eliš is mankind's first known creation myth, Islam stole concepts just like every other Jewcifarian Gaytanist, and became evil people trying to impose order. In the Enûma Eliš God was a Female Dragon made of darkness and primordial chaos. All these prophets, sons of god/light, and order are THE FUCKING DEVIL! why the hell do you think they kill one another and are such a plague on the world. Religion is cancer. They took the Enûma Eliš, reversed it, and started worshiping Marduk. If you actually know the culture of your Elders, YOU KNOW THIS IS TRUE! People fear talking about it in the Middle east because they will kill you for blasphemy.
Eli Price
Well, ISIS has literally taken over "France" it would seem.
Jaxson Rivera
>Progress in anatomy before the sixteenth century is as mysteriously slow as its development after 1500 is startlingly rapid Now go kill yourself. Read that book I linked you although you're too retarded to read anything other than halal shit like your Koran.
Ryder Powell
Also a Persian and a heretic.
Leo Wilson
>that picture
Daniel Sanders
>Physics Haha, yeah no. Newton is the one who literally developed the basics of physics, and he did it all on his own over a couple of months.
Gavin Sullivan
Can't we call it the Arabic Golden Age or The Time Dunecoons Were Slightly Less Shit But Still Pretty Bad
Adam Adams
Islam is weak and it's adherents so intellectually retarded we needn't put a single boot on the ground to eradicate every last one of you. There is no Muslim empire, no Islam, you exist only because you're allowed at the mercy of the inheritors of Rome. Remember that, Saracen. People pity you like children incapable of caring after themselves, not fear or respect you.
Ryder Anderson
how does it feel to have this disgusting pest posting with your flag, frenchies? it would boil my blood if it was polish one.
Kevin Sanchez
Nice try retard you used explosives at Vienna and impaled children on pikes then we kicked your monkey assessment out
Justin Reyes
>sodomized/raped millions of boys
Myth. Pederastic relationships in ancient Greece were supposed to be platonic, any hanky panky was confined to beating one another off, any kind of buttsex would get you banished from any Greek polis.
Eli Smith
Read my answers to him and you'll understand.
Nice trips btw.
Adrian Campbell
>>>Algebra/Trigonometry
Al Khawarizmi, father of Algebra was an Orthodox Muslim.
Ever heard of the Al Kashi theorem ?
>Physics
Ibn Al haytham
Book of Optics Doubts Concerning Ptolemy Alhazen's problem Analysis[5] Catoptrics[6] Horopter Moon illusion and contributions to experimental science scientific methodology[7] visual perception empirical theory of perception Animal psychology[8]
>Astronomy
Did you ever wonder why these stars had Arab names ?
>Double nope, any such inquiry would be incredibly haram
see >Architecture
what is the Taj Mahal, what is the Granada Palace ?
>>Literature
useless shit
Wyatt Ramirez
The Islamic World was majority Dhimmi throughout the entire "Golden Age" (which was only brought about by massive conquest, by the way) - when they converted, the Golden Age stopped.
Besides, most of the Islamic inventions are only credited to them by us in the West, because we learned of them from Muslims. Such as the concept of "zero", which was Indian.
And the supposed "dark ages" (which is a myth, look at all Europe's grand cathedrals built during this time) were in part caused by Islam conquering the East, preventing an exchange of knowledge, and from viewing older Greek philosophy - which when reintroduced to the west created the Renaissance.
And frankly, even these misattributed achievements of Islam pale in comparison to those of the west:
Only algebra. Algoritms came with it. Pretty much every is due to one man, Al-Kwarizmi. A fucking UZBEK, you know, the ones that never cared about Islam and adopted it because the Mongol overlord told them to do so.
>Physics
No.
>Astronomy
They named stars everybody could see.
>Anatomy
Yes.
>Architecture
No. Their architecture was Byzantine.
>Philosophy
The only thing they did is preserve ancient texts. After burning Alexandria's library.
>Litterature
You cannot cite one book.
Logan Peterson
>Pederastic relationships in ancient Greece were supposed to be platonic,
>an underage child is capable of consent
sickfuck
Carter Collins
B-b-but they perfected drawing symmetrical octagons
Liam Morales
Read about the Passion sometime you sick faggots, Mohammad's underage wife was how old again?
Camden Taylor
Well, shit.
Eat your heart out Sir Tim - the World Wide Web is nothing compared to a cocky pentagon.
Kevin Parker
And I used to think Greece was cool
Jonathan Allen
>muh islam
Logan Gray
>Algebra The so-called "arabic numerals" were made by Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, who was a Persian who travelled to the House of Wisdom in Baghdad to study. He wrote a huge world atlas (first of its kinds) and created a mathematical system that made math easier to use. He used symbols he learned from the Hindus. But his writings were disregarded. The primitive arabs could not see any use in his algebra, so they just filed it in the library and moved on. This creation would have been forgotten and lost. Unappreciated by the sand primitives. But then, luckily, the crusades came. Along with the knights a number of monks travelled to the far east. And one such English monk found al-Khwarizmi's works, and saw them for the spark of genius they held. He quickly stole them from the desert wastelands and brought them to Europe, where he translated them and they quickly became popular for their ease of use and adding the concept of zero as a number, which was not available in the Roman numerals present in Europe before that.
Bentley King
I actually lol'd top kek muhahaha
Justin Lewis
Pashtun*
Muslim people are so irrelevant auto-correct thought I must have been mistaken talking about them
Carter Morales
>A fucking UZBEK, you know, the ones that never cared about Islam
In his treaty, he explicitely stated that he was a muslim.
Try harder, hand-chopping belgian monster.
Robert Lewis
Muhammedans steal accomplishements from others and call it their own.
Mason Powell
Pashtuns are not pederastic, you are confusing with the Tajik in North Afghanistan.
The Tajiks are the ones who are siding with you because they share the homosexual "indo-european" culture you have.
Jayden Parker
>what is the Taj Mahal, what is the Granada Palace
So when you say they contributed to architecture, what you mean is they used the architectural expertise of other people to build things? By that definition every society has "contributed to architecture" simply by erecting mud huts.
>Alhazen
Fair enough I forgot about him, he was a great thinker too although his "breakthrus" went nowhere since his works weren't translated into Latin until long after Europeans had discovered what he wrote about for themselves. Also another heretic, not an orthodox muslim by any means.
>description of circulation
A one-off achievement that again went nowhere and had no influence outside the muslim world (or even inside, I know of no treatments of any kind that resulted from Ibn al-Nafis' work)
Gavin Reed
There was a time when Islam was less retarded than Christianity, and during this period Europe was also still dealing with the fallout from the collapse of the Roman Empire. Its no wonder that the Middle East was better off. Then as time went on Christianity went through drastic social changes and reformations, while Islam only ever became shittier.
Joshua Nelson
Pashtun are Indo-European, retard. They're similar to Northern Indians and Iranians.
I think you mean the Hazaras, who are the ones siding with NATO - these people are believed to be descendants of the Mongols.
Brody Taylor
>head chopping Arabs lecturing Belgians on civility while living in France away from their third world Islamic shithole.
So if Islam was so great for the nothing it gave us then what are we? I want you to tell me how king the west is since it surpassed you people in every imaginable way.
Gabriel Williams
This is the problem I keep having with Catholics/Christians:
The lies. The constant unending lies.
Just like Emile Zola DID NOT convert to Catholicism in his later years (it was SALVATORE ZOLA!), the term "figuratively" that was used in this translation did not appear until the 14th century.
I wonder what WORD the original author really meant. Even if it meant the same as figuratively, it is DISHONEST to use that word because it is anachronic.
Cooper Wright
Pashtun are genetically indo-european but they are culturally NOT indo-european.
Tyler Martinez
First, they weren't "underage" by Greek terms, where girls married at 12. Second, th older man had to court the youth and it was up to the youth whether to accept or reject his advances. Thirdly, there were numerous laws in place to protect the youth from the lechery of his older admirer, and as I said sex of any kind was completely forbidden in such relationships.
Jackson Brown
You can't judge an ancient people by today's standards. Besides, the institution of pederasty was needed in a society that had no school system of any kind. The older man's role was first and foremost to educate his younger charge, not only in stuff like reading and writing but in the social mores of Greek society.
Colton Foster
What? Indo-European culture disappeared a long time ago - I accept the idea that Pashtun aren't similar culturally to the west, but are modern day Spain, Britain etc "culturally Indo-European"?
Robert Price
>So if Islam was so great for the nothing it gave us then what are we? I want you to tell me how king the west is since it surpassed you people in every imaginable way.
how is the west great ?
it is because of Jewish accomplishments you survived
if it weren't for the Manhatan project, the japanese would have enslaved you by now
the West has to thank the Jews for what is is
The only reason the west has become powerful is because of sheer numbers, there was much more Europeans than Middle Eastern people and North Africans in the past
Evan Parker
>In his treaty, he explicitely stated that he was a muslim
Maybe that had something to do with how Muslims treated non-Muslims and their ideas? If I'd been living during the Islamic "Golden Age", I'd claim to be a mulsim too.
Daniel Lee
>trying to justify sexual assault and sodomy
Colton Lopez
no plenty of drunkard and sodomites claimed freely that they were such in the caliphate
James Phillips
Get. The. Fuck. Out. Go back to peaceful and perfect Algeria you'll love it.
Really nice cherry picking in that image.
Jaxon Allen
>how is the west great ?
You're living in it so certainly it is better than the trash you ran away from.
Also Jews live in the West because we are the best, we kicked all of them out and they went to live in the countries you Muslims came from and they left again because you are barbaric subhumans - don't act as if Jews haven't spent more time living alongside Muslims than they have Christians because they did.
But accept your slavery, we are superior and we are better in every way.
Benjamin Edwards
See the latter part of
Camden Foster
see
Charles Sanchez
At least Greeks had higher standards than Mohammad. 7 years old his wife was, what a sick fuck and Muslims worship him.
