Red pill me.
Guns, are they good or bad?
Would banning guns stop crime?
Red pill me
Jackson Ross
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Ethan Rodriguez
Crime is already illegal
Ian Hall
To the first, Yes, they're good. To the second, No it wouldn't.
Charles Martinez
Neither. They're metal contraptions that go bang bang when you load them properly and pull a trigger.
No.
Colton Ross
>Would banning guns stop crime?
Ask Chicago
Asher Roberts
>Would banning guns stop crime?
Wait, you stumbled on something there...
We ban crime, checkmate criminals!
Thomas Bailey
It wouldn't stop gun crime, most guns people have are illegal to own.
Plus, Mexico would find a new market other than drugs to give Americans.
Evan Hill
But other Australians, Canadians, Europeans and some Americans tell me if all guns were banned and only police/military had them that gun crimes would lower dramatically.
They tell me to look at Australia and Germany as an example.
Evan Stewart
And DC.
Thomas Ross
>Guns, are they good or bad?
Good.
>Would banning guns stop crime?
No. It would make more crime.
Kayden Morris
Why don't you look at France, instead?
Lucas Gonzalez
>Would banning guns stop crime?
You know the answer to this.
Banning guns alone can't possibly do that.
Zachary Lewis
People have been saying on players like Twitter that if guns were banned, that singer, the girl who was shot last night would not have been killed.
True?
Connor Mitchell
Gun crimes would probably go down. To be immediately replaced by twice as much crime in the form of stabbings and clubbings and other non-firearm assaults.
Here's a fun trick to make gun crime almost non-existant in the United States. Pretend Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, D. C., etc don't exist anymore. If you get rid of those rank shitholes, you get rid of at least 90% of the gun violence. Last I checked, those few cities were not "America" at large.
Nathan Rivera
Read this
Brayden Morris
No, no. You've got it all wrong. The way to stop crime is to make it legal! I believe the left is currently working on this as we speak.
Justin Thomas
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Kevin Brown
See
Jose Baker
>Guns, are they good or bad?
Guns are good, they make it easy for me to kill dangerous and delicious animals, also helps keep the fucking golliwogs away. How the fuck did Australians of all people lose track of this?
Justin Ramirez
That's a fucking dumb argument. Look at statistics not individual cases.
Mason Rodriguez
Guns are possibly the greatest invention of all time.
Kayden Wright
See
Nicholas Young
>wow this murderer only uses X weapon to murder and says he wont murder if he cant use that weapon
>wow omg ban that weapon then!!!
That's literally one fucking example. Look at broad statistics not individual cases and how banning guns might have not got someone killed.
I don't even know what fucking girl you're talking about. Nor do I care to look at something like a one specific example with specific environments and specific people in a specific place at a specific time.
Easton Cooper
Guns are tools, they are good in the hands of good people and bad in the hands of bad people.
Ayden Davis
hnnnng
Jordan Barnes
>Guns are possibly the greatest invention of all time.
Some random cunt takes a bullet, I'm #fuckeverythingnucleardisarmthewhitemanNOW
Sebastian Price
If you want to stop crime you have to ban people. A weapon is still just an object, it does not have moral alignment.
Tyler Hall
>Would banning guns stop crime?
Yes, it worked for us.
Levi Flores
Seen. Doesn't matter. If someone's determined enough, they will find a way to do what they want. Can't kill someone with a gun? Go at them with a knife. Unless you lack a penis, then use poison. Guns illegal but still want the shock value of a shooting? It's surprisingly easy to DIY up your own gun and ammo... even easier now that 3d printing is a thing, not that you should risk shooting a 3d printed firearm.
Doesn't matter anyway. Pic related.
Adam Hall
Fpbp
Nathan Carter
We have limited gun laws and n 2015 there were:
- 600 crimes involving guns
- 35 people was shot
That's data for whole year.
So basically banning guns doesn't solve the problem. Gun crimes still occur.
Christian Collins
You sound racist. let me guess, you're a Trump guy
Michael Roberts
What's this mean?
Joseph Anderson
Red pill me. Hammers, are they good or bad? Would banning hammers stop crime?
Caleb Myers
>You sound racist.
It's bait, but I'll bite because I'm curious about your thought process. How?
Xavier Gonzalez
Niggers. They are bad. Banning niggers would stop crime
Jose Powell
>flag
Nolan Davis
Good
No
My country banned gun and everything become worse, of course we have a giant brown population, but still...
There are a law that will be voted that could make the access to guns easier too
Matthew Morales
Red pill me. Abos, are they good or bad? Would banning Abos stop crime?
Caleb Barnes
Please stop or I'll beg the queen to return and take away your hammers
Aaron Garcia
>Guns, are they good or bad?
Good.
>Would banning guns stop crime?
No.
Not that you can ban guns that is.
Only liberal faggots think you can ban guns and that doing so is a good thing.
You're not a liberal faggot, are you?
Nathaniel Anderson
They're tools. Nothing more.
That being said, they are dangerous tools. More so than most.
However, banning them does literally nothing. Take Australia for example -- The Murder rate has stayed the same. The suicide rate has stayed the same. And what's worse, criminals still have easy access to guns, this has been shown time and time again, with shootings happening every week, drive by's and gang related crime, as well as Muslim fanatics shooting up the public. And this is supposed to be a closed country. However, if you take a country like France where it is much easier to get illegal guns whether they be from the streets or from bringing them in from other countries, most of the law abiding citizens obviously won't go out of their way to get guns, but any normal criminal has easy access to them, despite the incredibly harsh laws against them. Take the increased terrorist activity in France and all the murders that have happened. Where were your Gun Bans then?
People who say banning guns will have an effect are clearly idiotic. If someone wants to murder someone else, they're going to murder someone. Whether they do it with their barehands, a knife, a gun, a car or whatever else. It's going to happen.
Sure, guns do make it easier, but like I said, it's not exactly difficult to get a gun when you're a criminal anyway. Or in China, when that gang of knife wielding psychopaths went on a murder spree, should we ban kitchen cutlery after something like that? No. (Fuck you, UK. Fucking Nanny State shithole)
Alexander Scott
You have any sources for
>The Murder rate has stayed the same
>The suicide rate has stayed the same
Landon Richardson
>It's bait, but I'll bite
Yeah complete bait. I could give not give a fuck about gun lawss here in cuckistan, I have had an old mossberg 500 and just lately I bought a mini-14 (.223). Parents around my parts make sure their kids have both their drivers licence and gun licence before they get kicked out
Jackson Diaz
This site has numbers for Chicago:
month to date
year to date
last year
locations, etc.
race
bottom line: hundreds of gun murders every year, over a thousand shootings, including wounded. nearly all in just a few black neighborhoods.
Noah Harris
Facts are stupid. it's 2016
Nathan Allen
I don't get it. Wouldn't it be easier to cut out the middleman and just ban crime?
Charles Evans
>Guns, are they good or bad?
I'd say good, but I guess it depends on whether or not you have an interest in shooting sports or having the means to protect yourself/your family in bad situations. If you don't care about either of those then you probably wouldn't like guns.
>Would banning guns stop crime?
Crime? No.
Gun crime? Maybe. I guess it would depend on where the majority of gun crime originates. If it's shifty underground shit then probably not.
Personally I enjoy shooting sports, my family has always been into them. I probably go through ~500 rounds a week casually shooting skeet, maybe another 2-300 for various rifles. Most of the firearm restrictions we have in this country are completely retarded.
Guns are great. Get some mates to take you out shooting sometime.
Julian Ramirez
so guns are bad then?
Andrew Myers
Drugs are banned, did that stop drug use and sale?
Leo Reed
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Jaxon Murphy
It's illegal to use a firearm to protect yourself in Australia, your gun license can be revoked if authorities or government figures seen or hear you say you own a gun for self defense.
David Davis
>cherrypicking
It also wouldn't have happened if her security team wasn't totally incompetant. It's pretty easy to set up metal detectors at the entrance to a concert hall/stadium. If he could get away with that, what makes you think he wouldn't just smuggle in a homemade bomb as an alternative? That is, assuming he wouldn't immediately buy another gun illegally anyway.
Cameron Walker
>People have been saying on players like Twitter that if guns were banned, that singer, the girl who was shot last night would not have been killed.
Because as we all know, criminals follow laws. Right?
Owen Hill
I think it happened outside when she was signing autographs.
Carson Lee
Why don't I see anyone arguing with any of these people then? I've yet to see one person debate anyone on this issue on twitter. It's just hundreds of people I've seen agreeing with each other on banning guns because of this issue.
Austin Smith
What is your point? Do you expect serious arguments on twitter to come up very often?
Adrian Mitchell
You would think if the other side of the argument was the correct one that you would see it being used. But its the anti-gun side of th argument you see and nobody seems to disagree with it. In fact, they get tons of replies agreeing, adding on to what they said, retweets and favourites. No one goes against it.
Caleb Lopez
>Why don't I see anyone arguing with any of these people then?
You mean the gungrabbers?
Because there is no reasoning with them.
That and twitter sucks. It's a fucking circlejerk. You don't have any thought provoking and mind changing discussions on twitter.
>I've yet to see one person debate anyone on this issue on twitter. It's just hundreds of people I've seen agreeing with each other on banning guns because of this issue.
Because its easier to circlejerk than to actually have to think.
Why do you think every single gungrabber has always been BTFO on Sup Forums? It's because we can use facts, logic and reason (which often require more than 150 characters) to BTFO of them.
Gungrabbers have never, ever convinced anyone on Sup Forums to give up their firearms. Period.
Justin Parker
Again, do you expect random teenagers and deluded millennial retards who just think guns = 600 gazillion people die to have well thought out arguments?
Juan Fisher
>person plans to murder person
>guns are illegal
>oh fug guess i cand kill berson lel :-DDDD
Banning guns could only stop impulse murders, not premeditated. They wouldn't even stop impulse murders though because then people will just carry something else or carry a gun regardless.
Hunter Sullivan
I love my guns but unfortunately EU decided today they will try to disarm all its citizens which means I need to go on a boating trip.
Henry Gomez
They're a fucking inanimate tool, if you use a fucking screwdriver to drive screws it's good, if you use it to harm without reason it's bad, fuck off Aussies
Hudson Hall
Yes, but Sup Forums isn't the majority of people. If the majority of people are pushing in one direction, it's only a matter of time before all those people gain power in corporations, politics, etc and pass laws to ban guns if no one ever bothers going out of their way, debating them on the issue. Otherwise all they see is that guns are bad and that is the only truth to them. If you are right about gun laws not being the cause of a lot of crime, but the majority are saying it is and you sit back quietly what do you think will happen?
Asher Rogers
Of course you do realize why I said it was bait, yes? My post had absolutely nothing to do with race whatsoever and yet you replied with "You sound racist." The mental gymnastics to reach that point are baffling.
Asher Collins
>Yes, but Sup Forums isn't the majority of people.
So what? Our arguments are sound enough that they've never been defeated by the gungrabbers.
>If the majority of people are pushing in one direction, it's only a matter of time before all those people gain power in corporations, politics, etc and pass laws to ban guns if no one ever bothers going out of their way, debating them on the issue
It doesn't matter if they ban guns. We still have a right to them. Our rights aren't given to us by the majority or by the government.
>therwise all they see is that guns are bad and that is the only truth to them.
That doesn't make them right.
>If you are right about gun laws not being the cause of a lot of crime, but the majority are saying it is and you sit back quietly what do you think will happen?
It doesn't matter. My rights aren't subject to gungrabber opinions nor are they subject to crime statiatics.
If they try to take my rights from me, they die. It's as simple as that.
Josiah Hall
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Zachary Evans
>t doesn't matter if they ban guns. We still have a right to them. Our rights aren't given to us by the majority or by the government.
>It doesn't matter. My rights aren't subject to gungrabber opinions nor are they subject to crime statiatics.
>If they try to take my rights from me, they die. It's as simple as that.
Doesn't this all make you just as bad as the criminals you are against by not obeying laws? Hence "Gun laws don't matter because criminals don't obey the law".
Nathaniel Jackson
mate the fucking yanks whipped the bongs so that they could be free and didnt have to put up with dumbo rules. fighting against an oppresser is aight so long as hes a cunt
Dominic Wood
Thank you, this is really interesting. Where did you find it? Do you have more like it?
Connor Gutierrez
>Doesn't this all make you just as bad as the criminals you are against by not obeying laws?
No. Because I'm not infringing upon anyone's rights by not following their laws.
A criminal is one that takes rights away from another.
By owning firearms and refusing to give them up because some faggy gungrabber says I have to, I am not the criminal. In fact, the gungrabber is the criminal because they're trying to take my rights away from me.
Benjamin Rogers
> Guns, are they good or bad?
Guns are neutral. They're tools. They can be used for good and for evil.
Here in the US, we have an unsolvable problem:
On one hand we have a Montana rancher who keeps a rifle by his back door because he knows that if he calls the police, they will have a 30-minute drive to his ranch, so protecting his family from criminals is de-facto his own responsibility. Such an person is trustworthy, and there's no reason to put any additional burdens on his gun ownership.
On the other hand, we have a predominantly black, poor, decayed inner city ghetto in a large eastern city. There, we have roving gangs of black thugs who commit armed robberies, shoot people indiscriminately, and terrorize their communities. They cannot be trusted to use guns responsibly.
How do you develop a single nation-wide gun policy that's appropriate for both situations?
I'm sympathetic with the 2nd-amendment advocates who say that we need to focus on cracking down on the criminals. But that solution hasn't worked for the ghettos. Trying to stop ghetto gangs from terrorizing people with guns has turned out to be just like the drug war -- a total failure that has zero hope of success.
The terrorized residents of those ghettos are pleading with the authorities to start getting tougher -- and a natural consequence of getting tougher would be to start curtailing some 2nd-amendment rights and start taking guns away from people *before* they commit the crimes they are almost certain to commit in the future.
Right now, we are telling those terrorized ghetto residents that we will not lift a finger to help rid them of their roving gangs of armed niggers, because those niggers' 2nd amendment rights are just too fucking precious to take away from them. The theory here is that if we start taking guns away from inner-city niggers, we'll also """"be forced"""" to take guns away from that responsible Montana rancher too.
Dylan Wright
so
Thomas Thomas
>Would banning guns stop crime?
Ask the people in Caracas.
Nolan Miller
Shit trigger discipline
Nathaniel Phillips
You realize that those 60% suicides by gun can be prevented by restricting gun-ownership, right? Some will go to other means, but it causes an inconvenience that can save a suicidal person's life if they don't have a fatal brain-blower in their own home
Matthew Jenkins
She'd probably have acid thrown in her face instead.
Adam Baker
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Burgers, it's time for a serious thread, no shitposting.
Our ex prime minister john howard got on your tv last night to LIE to your nation that gun control worked down under.
I am here to give you the real facts and dispute every single one of his lies with cited sources. Your job is then to save all these facts and BTFO anyone who tries to lie that aussie gun control worked. You will prevent the tragedy that happened to us happening in your nation and perhaps even redpill a few of my own countrymen as to the lies we've been fed.
>John howard claimed we have not had a mass shooting since port arthur
We have had FOUR since.
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
The hunt family murders
baka.com.au
The recent sydney seige
baka.com.au
Now time for some bonus points. Last week in victoria we've had 15 shootings, source below. We also had ANOTHER seige in sydney in the last week.
9news.com.au
abc.net.au
This is the first lie they push about our country. That the violence stopped. It did not stop, it has been brutally supressed due to gag and control orders on our media.
theguardian.com
Robert Brooks
I fucking love AKs they give me a raging boner
Matthew Anderson
Is this copypasta? You are talking as if you're Australian with an American flag?
Lincoln Perez
I find it amusing that people who want to ban guns thinking it will reduce gun crime.
Especially when they point to Australia as being a "gun control success story".
Australia is having an increase in crime, and has had one since the gun ban in 1997. Gun crime HAS gone down, yet what anti-gunners will not tell you is that it was dropping BEFORE the ban.
Link: ssaa.org.au
abs.gov.au
reason.com
articles.chicagotribune.com
snopes.com
Did you know: one in ten of all guns seized by police from criminals in Australia is a DIY submachine gun?
Here are some articles showing the major failures of Australia's "tough" gun laws you won't see on TV-
I found these in less than 10 minutes:
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NEXT POST: THE CRIME STATISTICS RELATING TO HOME INVASIONS, RAPES, ASSAULTS POST BAN
Noah Peterson
I found the LDP Australia party (who are pro gun) tweeted this, in pic
Andrew Bennett
Yes. One of you roos posted it. Quite helpful to save these sorts of things in docs
As you can see here:
>Assault rose
aic.gov.au
>Sexual assault rose for 5-6 years following, before dropping off. Kidnapping also rose.
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Ryan Diaz
Or perhaps instead of banning things people kill themselves with, instead maybe it's better to find out why people are killing themselves?
Kayden Cox
yeah or not classify suicides as gun violence or gun crimes
its bullshit that libruls do to pad statistics so it looks like there are more crimes then there are.
Nicholas Myers
Anyone who don't bear a gun is a slave and deserve to die like a shit when the next purge comes
Luis Green
Banning guns to stop crime is like banning cars to stop drunken driving.
Nolan Anderson
Rich people have guards, security, and body guards with guns.
So yeah, guns are good and protect the poor, wretched, handicapped, elderly, women, babes, covergirls, presidents, kings, premiers, MPs, and Celebrities.
Jordan Ross
I've lived in Chicago for 35 years. I've been a gun owner for 19 of those years. I made a political decision to start caring five years before Moore v. Madian was decided. I lived under Chicago's handgun ban (which I ignored), under the carry ban (which I ignored), under registration (which I ignored), and under the assault weapons ban (which I continue to ignore). In the time I've lived in this city there have been tens of thousands of shootings and thousands of deaths. I'm a pretty social person, I have an enormous and fairly diverse circle of friends. In all that time, with all that violence in this city, I've know exactly one person who has been shot and they were shot while working as a bouncer in the ghetto. I don't even know anyone who knows anyone who has been shot.
The reality of "gun crime" in Chicago, as in America, is that its not an epidemic. It doesn't effect everyone equally. It isn't spread out across the population. "Gun crime" in Chicago boils down to people with felony arrest records shooting other people with felony arrest records over illegal business. If you aren't a gang member, don't hang out with gang members, and don't spend time in the hood your chances of being shot are barely nonzero.
Jordan Jackson
hsph.harvard.edu
read this before you talk again about this issue
Angel Scott
Also lets remember that in places where guns are banned, these countries have an overwhleming white or single race majority so even if guns were legal in those places, they wouldnt have niggers and illegal spics inflating firearm homicide rates. Literally almost nothing would change in places like Norway or Austrailia if guns were legal tomorrow.
There may be a couple happenings with Anders Behring Brevik type characters but I think gun manufacturers and govt regulation in the future can help stop firearms from falling into these hands by fingerprint triggers and wireless electronic police overrides that essentially lock the gun if its being fired in public.
Or just high tech laser recognition technology that wont let you pull the trigger on children
Aaron Harris
>if people couldnt easily kill themselves they wouldnt kill themselves
wow holy shit my perspective on life has changed im now #bendingover4Hillary
Dylan Gomez
So do the UK and France have such desperate standards of living that their suicide rates are similar to the US despite strict gun laws?
Andrew Edwards
I wonder if this is how Aussie shitposters live long enough to make it to the internet
Kevin Gutierrez
What're you implying?
Jaxon Johnson
Hmmmm
Jace Miller
our shitters usually get themselves shot
Dominic Smith
banning hammers would stop any and all crime
without hammers there would be no other possible way to build assault weapons and other dangerous objects intended for killing people
violent crime would seize in its entirety
the war on drugs would also be won because without hammers, there would be no other possible way to break up bricks of cocaine -- the only drug in existence
drug users would become community service workers increasing the welfare of the society and eventually crippling all economic crisis
never again would a nail have to live in fear of going hungry
Evan Wright
Guns are banned in Mexico.. enough said
Hudson Nguyen
Fat poster best poster. It's something you post when an american makes a good post.