Does the average American benefit from illegal Hispanic immigration in any way whatsoever...

Does the average American benefit from illegal Hispanic immigration in any way whatsoever? It seems like ultra elite billionaires are the only ones who benefit from having them here.

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no and they don't benefit from legal "hispanic" immigration either.

infact, legal immigration is worse than illegal immigration. either way, their use of benefits well exceeds any economic gain they give, they are low IQ, they increase the crime rate and they provide a mass of cheap labor to undermine wages.

Vegans benefit too, since the lettuce pickers keep them fed.

A single unemployed or homeless American is enough to put a moratorium on immigration.

Only in food prices being lower than they might be.

Other than that, no, we do not benefit from them -- and, in fact, they hurt themselves by coming here illegally AND working below-poverty-level wages.

No, it's just an excuse for slave labor.

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Prices would be higher without illegals doing shitwork that has to be paid under the table and isn't worth minimum wage. That said, their net benefit to the economy is up in the air given they also get to leech off of certain welfare programs and drive up medical and insurance costs.

Minimum wagetards already? Sweden says hi.

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I guess theoretically if a very intelligent illegal immigrant stays and becomes a nurse or a successful scientist? That must be extremely rare though, so not a good enough argument.

No. There's no evidence correlating illegal immigration with GDP, unemployment rate, or economic stability.

>Minimum wagetards already?
It has nothing to do with that. Less labor = higher wages. Americans aren't going to go bankrupt because they have to pay like $10 more on food every year.

You're an ignorant pleb aren't you. So kawaii

Cheap housekeepers and construction workers and general laborers.

They get paid more than someone who won't accept money under the table, due to tax and liability avoidance.

Really, illegals don't provide a lot of benefit that we don't get from people who are LEGALLY here, such as migrant agricultural workers and actual immigrants going through naturalization.

'Course, I haven't SEEN any illegals in ages. I'm assuming they either went home, or went to other states.

I don't in anyway whatsoever. In fact, they make my life more difficult. I can't understand them, they don't like me, and I have to now press one for English.

Where is this HUGE working below poverty wages from ? I hear it everywhere and it's straight up bullshit.

I live in Washington State.

There are way over 100,000 picker, washer, packer jobs in the Apple, Pear and Cherry industry.

Any illegal can arrive here and on day 1 get free housing, $12.50 an hour, free medical, free food and within a week they can get a driver's license.

They then can get a tax id with that driver's license and claim on their taxes EVERY single relative (including uncles, aunts, nieces, nephews, grandmothers, grandfathers etc etc) and get tax returns in the $10,000 plus area.

At the end of the season they get a bonus in the multiple $1000's area.. then they drive their cars down to El Paso, cross over and then onto Jalisco for a well need vacation in Puerto Vallarta. That is fucking reality.

NO ONE is working for sub minimum wage.. NO ONE ZERO ZIP NADA.

Good for them. Must be nice to not live in a shit hole for once, and experience the good life. So many Americans take so much of life for granted. People are so stingy when it comes to the art of appreciation

It's cheaper because you don't have to follow labor laws, give workman's comp, or pay taxes or insurance, and they will gobble up hours, man.

Also are you sure they're illegal?

The federal government does have a temporary agricultural worker program(H2A) that is easy to get in on.

I don't doubt that some are illegal, but some probably aren't, and others may have primary residence in the USA but do seasonal migrant work.

>Less labor = higher wages
And higher wages mean higher prices. Congratulations on your excellent non-argument.

No and
> tfw no gf

>legal immigrants worse than illegals
Not all of us, nigger

Though I must admit a good majority of my people are trash. I would still opt in "betraying" them by helping to deport illegals.

I live in Vermont, so I'm not sure, apparently we have some of them here and conveniently they're SJWs.

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Nigger food prices aren't going to skyrocket without illegal laborers.

>Does the average American benefit from illegal Hispanic immigration in any way whatsoever?

When you can hire them directly, yes. Keep in mind that the factor you won't pay taxes for their services alone makes them so useful.
Most businesses started today are being started by immigrants. I don't know if its Hispanics though but its still telling that more people coming to country are starting businesses rather than the residents. HP literally started in a garage and now take into account what resources we have available today. We should have space rockets being build in every second neighborhood!

They might, depending on how unscrupulous certain farms are.

Some guys avoid legit migrant workers because then they'd have to follow the law.

All the day laborers here in CA make at least $15/hour.

>Get better tacos?
learn to cook fagot!

Hispanic business startup rates are through the roof.

Though that's mostly because actual LEGAL communities of hispanics in Texas and California developed to the point where they weren't poverty communities, and whenever a town hits a certain level of wealth and population, people naturally start businesses.

Same in Texas. General day labor, if you do it under the table, gets the same rate. A lot of the guys that do it are white.

Ok I have ALOT of experience with this.

So the majority of illegals come around the city of Puebla in Mexico.

If you go down there, which I have, there are small cities all a round Puebla where there are no men.

The men send their money back to the wives.
The wives have HUGE HUGE HUGE houses. I mean like 4000 sq/ft homes.. they are not living in poverty in Mexico.
I know I have stayed and eaten in their homes. I have been to their fiestas when the workers come back from the US. I have taught their children English.

They would poor be without the US wages.

Now ask yourself how many American you know living in 4.000 sq foot homes ?

they pad the crime statistics so it looks like more white people are going to prison than reality.

I guess that's a bonus, unless you want the "white" inmate count to be lower to make us look better. The wya it is now makes the system look less racist.

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>Puebla, Mexico
>State capital
>4th largest city in the country
>2nd wealthiest city in the country

>Near the southern tip

Nigger, you're retarded, most illegals are Norteños, who are rural and poor, generally.

I have talked to both legals and illegals.
I speak almost perfect Spanish.
I was talking to a women the other day. She has been in the US for 12 years. She became legal after a few years from her childern born in the US.

She went to Jalisco and brought back 3 of her family including her mother. They are 100% illegal and are here and earning.

Even the Washington State Workforce office will tell you in Spanish about jobs that don't require documentation.

I know this because I was there with my wife talking to them in Spanish about it. They straight up told us that some jobs pay more if you work under the table... so.. make of that what you will.

do you hvae an HD pic of her?

Mmmmm i used to spam this qt nonfucking stop for 2 years and just lately I'm seeing her posted often
Feels good mang

I am talking about Washington State. You didn't read my previous message.. yes you are right. I am talking about the ones in my area of Washington State

Stop with this model she's too qt

Oi gimme a min
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Have this other spic qt

Sounds like Washington has an enforcement problem, then.

It's really annoying that they would bring their family members here and not even start the citizenship process for them, since it is trivial if you have a citizen family member, to begin Naturalization.

My family was heavily involved in the formation of LULAC and its parent organizations back in the day, and a major part of LULAC was helping people who would otherwise be in the country illegally start the naturalization process so they could be legitimate US citizens.

I feel that by dialing back operations because of the success of hispanics in assimilating in the 90's backfired, and now we have this huge asshole population of people who don't want to assimilate because Latino leaders dropped the ball in educating them.

I love how Sup Forums uses those broad simplifications for everything.

I have a cousin managing a drone factory in California

Is he an illegal?

Also, is he going to sell his drones to scan the border so that other people can't join him?

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Our agricultural industry has become dependent on $5/hour off the books workers. It would literally disappear without them.

Tfw no chilean gf

It's trivial to begin naturalization for a family member ?

You are talking to a person who's wife just arrived last week after a year of the naturalization process and $5000. My wife has two master degrees. It is not trivial if you do it properly.

Maybe it was easier before but now it's a nightmare. My wife told me that at the embassy that around 90% of the people got a "No" from immigration and were literally having full meltdowns in the Embassy.

ok

I believed you agricultural industry is helped by massive government subsidies

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Deport em
This

It's both.

I'm against the wall because I want a mestiza gf

Not really, no.

Mostly they take all the jobs that American high schoolers used to do.

Actually wonder what high schoolers do these days. Do they not work at all? I see them doing host jobs at restaurants (need to speak English) but that's about it.

Grocery stores are all immigrants. Kitchens are all immigrants. Waitress jobs are usually women in their 20s either working through college or deciding what to do with their degree in Women's Studies. Cleaning jobs are the immigrants that speak zero English.

Seems rare to spot an actual American high schooler, at least around here (D.C. area, immigration central).

>Living in a major city in the Southern US
>All the good cajun and Southern comfort restaurants have shut down
>They have all been replaced by Mexican restaurants
>There is literally a Mexican restaurant on almost ever street now
>It's all the same Tex-Mex garbage

The dispossession has already begun.

This p much

So on top of massive subsidies they need workers accepting abnormally low wages to be competitive?

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if you live in the southwest, you benefit from cheap groceries at your local market

california bro here, get fruits and veggies for super cheap even when they're not in 'season'. but with all that being said, I wouldn't mind paying more if the farming jobs went to legal americans

Here come the feels again

Beneficial or not, illegal is illegal, deport that bitch.

Elite billionaires don't benefit from them much, except that they want pro-immigration sentiment to be positive in general so they can bring in skilled workers to replace American professional at lower pay.

oh fug

Rude :c

You like what you see Canada-kun?

It hurts me deeply

>has a head
I don't think that's a real Mexican senpai.

i love how some people can't understand averages and exceptions

you simplify and use generalizations because those are what matter when talking about society as a whole (300 million+ people) not individual examples

even high IQ immigrants dont stay that way because their children regress to the mean of their racial population. this is well known with blacks for example, because the children of blacks in the highest income ranges score lower on IQ tests and earn less than the White children of Manual shit workers. This is regression to the mean. It's the same for "hispanics" but to a lesser degree.

Very rude meme, pls remove
You're generally fine in Mexico so long as you dont join a cartel

race traitor

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If illegals are making as much as you guys say they are, then why would businesses take the risk of being fined for more expensive employees?

the idea behind legal immigration, at least at current, is that it keeps out unskilled dregs and imports geniuses like the Russian google guy.

If Latinos who jump the border were trying to legally immigrate, they would never get in and that's the way it should be.

We should go back to quotas desu

Eh I'll get a lot of flak for it, but I dont really see what's so great about being white in the current day. If I could choose skin color I'd be light brown of some sort. Anyways if it makes you feel better, mexicans like the one pictured are probably like 60% european admixture

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Goddamn it.

Why would Sup Forums want to wall this off.

>user, what skin color would you like?

"just shit my shit up f4m"

>whenever a town hits a certain level of wealth and population, people naturally start businesses

From Tom Woods and Robert Murphy I got the impression it's exactly the other way. It seems we are all getting pretty comfortable with time and nobody growing up thinks seriously about the hassle to start their own business. It's the social climbing and adventuring that drives the immigrants on simply because they don't have much already.

Yep.

What people should really be calling for is an updating of American immigration law. I do think there's a lot of room for a lot of good, smart, (English speaking) people to be given a path to citizenship that they don't currently have.

But Republicans mostly talk about enforcing the current law and Democrats mostly talk about ignoring the current law and nobody is talking about just making better laws.

Democrats had 8 years to do something about it, and 2 years where they had total control to pass anything they wanted even if 100% of Republicans voted against it (which is how we got Obamacare).

Democrats did nothing. And here we are.

You can order Russians and Asians, why not Mestizoes?

Nah I have much more garbage skin than the girls being posted
Pale/pink is not attractive and sunburns aren't fun
I want my children to be at least a little darker than me

>Chileans

Honorary Aryans.

They're turbo cucks is my guess
There is literally nothing wrong with unrestricted tfw no international harem

Because they peak at 12, and are grandmas at 25. What good is that?

tons of people white and non-white i know have businesses

the idea that its extremely hard to start a business in america is a libertarian talking point that isn't really true

This is a lie perpetuated by white women in an effort to cucking white men into being loyal to them while they take Tyrone's dick from all sides
They do the same sort of thing with Asian girls

lol

You just can't get a white gf because you're ugly and the only ones that will take you are the spics and niggers.

Not from what I've seen in CA. They are either a qt under 22 or a fat troll.

I hope youre aware that white women are renowned world wide for being literally the easiest women on the planet. They're not exactly high prize partner material and are just easy all around.

> Asian grills peak early and age fast
Said nobody ever, Pedro

They are not saying it's hard to start a business. With all the technology today it's fairly easy to them but it's a hassle nevertheless. The interesting point is that newcomers are the ones doing all the business starting.

Not that exact insult dumb ass. white women normally go for the "hurr real women have curves and asian women look like 12 year old boy so youre a pedo" card

Yet they still don't want you

lol

You're not white. You sound like some 12 year old spic faggot.

That one has a litter of ninos in daycare.

Who is this semen demon? I always see her posted here, but I've never heard her name.

Legal immigration became a bad thing after you cucks signed a bill to not exclusively import Europeans and work in quotas.

Tell me more about my nonwhiteness
Eh no one wants me, so I can be pretty objective with rating women
No idea. She was a meme on hispachan when I went there to try learning spanish and I just saved all her pics and spammed them to hell and back all over Sup Forums and Sup Forums for years
Good to see she's finally catching on :)

Yea I saw those pics. Hurts my heart