What the fuck were they thinking?

What the fuck were they thinking?

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Playing "hard to get" with Fritz's dick.

Good question m8.

No fucking clue.

Thinking they were going to fight another WW1 style trench warfare, blitzkrieg proved that wrong.

Didn't you know that Luxenbourg has a superior defense system?

:^*)

The French aren't known for their thinkers so they just drew up some Cartesian boundaries.

1) they didn't expect an attack from Belgium because this takes more effort / time / manpower, which makes it easier to defend against such an attack
2) a large section of the French-Belgian border was thought to be impenetrable by tanks
3)Belgium opposed building strong fortifications at their southern border

So basically the French relied on memes?

Yeah well, France isn't particularly known for its military masterminds

the belgiums held off the germans in the first world war, france thought they could do it again

Putting some faith in the glogwogs. Way too much faith.

Stretching the maginot line across the Belgium borders was thought to be too expensive as well as damaging to foreign relations.

Clog.

Or drinkable water.

was it really over after germans took Paris?

Napoleon? Charlemagne? Vercingetorix?

They thought Belgium wouldn't get invaded, and that they would put some resistance if this was the case

bad choice since the belgians got steamrolled in a couple of hours

Lel the Krauts literally just repeated what they did in WW1 but managed to take Paris this time. They say "generals are always preparing for the last war", but the French couldn't do even that. (not that we did somehow splendidly in WW2, but the French were a global superpower at the time ffs)

None of them was French

>Vercingetorix
>French

WW1
>Germany beats Russia, loses to UK, France, and US
WW2
>Germany beats France, chases UK back to their island, loses to Russia and US

they could never catch a break

The French weren't accustomed to tank warfare aside from limited use in ww1 with primitive tanks.They had thought the forests and extended territory on the northern edge would deter tank movement in that area.

To be fair most of you foreign fuckers were subhuman savages living on dirty water and wallowing in your own shit while the bastion of human greatness was inventing clean water sources and flush toilets.

Exactly
>Muh Ardennes
>Tanks are unable to go through forrest
>Lets divise ous tanks between armies and don't go full armored

The Maginot Line cost so much, for merely nothing. Fucking hate French Ecole de Guerre

Napoleon was Italian. Shocking actually.

They were thinking lets do the German border first but we can't finish it because we're in economic stress.

>best french military commander was a fucking woman
Wew lads thats some 10/10 history there

They were thinking "Fuck the Ardennes lol, ain't no Germans coming through there."

Technically he was Corsican

There was no such thing as a united Italy at the time, and even to this day Italians like to define themselves regionally just as they have for the last thousand or so years.

You also got beat by a bunch of farmers with outdated weapons and a few French.

Saying they can't catch a break is like saying they dindu nuffin when they held up a store twice in 1 year and got shot both times by heroic bystanders.

If it didn't happen on the British Isles then it was merely a setback.

>Germany started WWI

British education.

>clean water lines
>toilets with sewage lines
that was the romans, not the french you dirty fucking anglo

there were also thinking that no one would send troops through the Ardennes

>Napoleon was Italian
Corsican. Which had transferred to French sovereignty 3 years (I think) before his birth. And Corsica is still part of France. Not even to mention that Corsicans consider themselves neither French nor Italian, but Corsicans.

Pick up a book about our history.

>The French aren't known for their thinkers.
What is the Age of Enlightenment?

>get called on by old treaty
>invade neutral country to get to the country you want
>bring even more world powers into the fight
>dey dindu nuffin how else dey suppozed to pay for dem prograhms for dem soldeers

Lol we almost lost ww2 because the french let the belgians boss them around

Fucking belgium doesnt have any decent right to even exist

Philip II Augustus?
Louis IX of France?
Bertrand du Guesclin?
Jean Bureau?
Chevalier de Bayard?
Henry III of France during his youth?
Turenne?
The Great Condé?
François de Créquy?
Jean Armand de Maillé-Brézé?
Anne Hilarion de Tourville?
Anne Jules de Noailles?
Claude Louis Hector de Villars?
Louis Joseph, Duke of Vendôme?
Pierre Le Moyne d'Iberville?
Louis-Joseph de Montcalm-Gozon? He was badass until his death at the end of the French and Indians war.
Comte de Grasse, halted the British naval reinforcements at Chesapeake.
Comte de Rochambeau, the orchestrator of the Yorktown campaign
Latouche Tréville, won several times against Nelson
Lafayette?
André Masséna?
Thomas-Alexandre Dumas?
Jean-Baptiste Jules Bernadotte?
Moreau?
Murat?

The principal difference in both wars was the determination and will of leadership, in first world war military authority held superior position of power over political opposite and even then both were willing to fight, second relocating south when germans were upon the paris and continued struggle.

In second world war, military was much less of what it used to be, germans forced through belgium and bypassed extremely sophisticated lines of defence on maginot, there was next to no time to organize defences of paris and way beyond that with introduction of blitzkrieg, political leadership surrendered, while even if military wanted to continue, say, charles de gaulle, political part of leadership denied entire affair.
France lacked someone like petain as the head in WWII.

So it technically continued, on massively smaller scale.

He said "France isn't known for its military masterminds." Napoleon was a military mastermind for France, not Italy. And Charlemagne was the king of the fucking Franks, retard.

Yeah, he was a Gerard Depardeux-lookin-motherfucker

Worked for france.

The British invented flush toilets and clean water in the post-Roman era.
I was saying that the French are no worse than the rest of you savages outside of Britain.

Who gives a shit about Luxembourg? They don't even have a right to exist. Russia escalated Germany decision making by mobilizing their troops.

>it's fine to invade innocent countries

Literally dindu nuffins.

Fixing this mistake with my communist france in Hearts of Iron 4.
Same at the italian front, famam.

Go cry on your tumblr about it.

No need to cry because we won.

>Innocent countries.
Why are you humanizing nations?

>tfw Panzer divisions got into position in the Ardennes
>forgot to delete previous front and they moved back down along the Maginot Line when I invaded France

Wrong kid died.

>the Belgiums held off the germans in the first world war

For a few weeks. The Germans got fed up and brought in their heavy artillery.

It wouldn't have made much difference what the French military did.

The Maginot line wasn't actually as strong as many people believe, certainly not in the era of ww2 combined arms warfare.

The Germans actually attacked the Maginot defenses towards end of the campaign and had little difficulty breaking through it. With just infantry and very few tanks.

What many people don't know is the fact that is was the superiority of the German infantry training and doctrine, that was so much more decisive. Yes the German panzer divisions helped, they sped up the defeat, but the German infantry were, one on one, far more than a match for the French.

We have run this through simulations many times and every time the Germans win. Regardless of what the French do. The French can avoid the mistake of advancing into Belgium with the Brits. They can reinforce the weak spots in their defenses. It makes no difference other than delaying the end. Even if there is no Dunkirk.

We have even run through the simulations where the Germans have no tanks. Yup, no tanks at all. They still win.Sure, it takes them longer, right up until September-October, but they still knock France out.

This is spooky because some guy was posting these coordinates in random threads earlier and it brings you to this exact location.

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They wont possssibly cross another country's borders to get to ussss that against the lawww

They put their best formations up by the Belgium border. Ignorant shithead.

He still wasn't french.

Who?

>all these idiots saying the French didn't expect an attack through Belgium
I can't believe so many people continue to regurgitate this meme history. The whole point of the Maginot line was to channel any future German invasion through Belgium so the French could fight them there instead of in France itself.

Ask Wilson, he's the one who backed the good old British balance of power policy so Germany would remain strong and France vulnerable after WW1.

Somehow despite having it's back broken France was still a threat to its interests more than Germany, so both Britain and the US did all they could to stop France from annexing the Rhineland.

The Maginot line wasn't a bad idea, except it was a huge drain on France's economy and France couldn't very well build a wall between her and her ally Belgium.

Anyway when Germany rearmed the Rhineland, France wanted to attack but doing so would have meant full mobilisation which would have drown the economy even further. Actually when asked about it the British government pushed against it, saying Germans had a right to do so.

Before Churchill the British governments had a hard on for nazism, so France was pretty much left alone dealing with this bullshit.

He's a celt leader, he fight againt caesar

>thinks he made a point because he linked military commanders from centuries ago

Yeah, no. At least try a posting somebody from last century

>What is the Age of Enlightenment?

A new kind of Cuckstian slavery.

Annexing the Rhineland was a dumb idea Pierre. You guys had a decent defense plan against a resurgent Germany with your eastern allies until Munich.

The lesson is you should have fought regardless of the ''huge'' strain. The damage would have been less than what you actually got and I'm sure the brits and kike bankers in the US would have given you some loans.

They imagined that they could hold us on their right flank (Maginot line) while press us dynamically on the left (weak line). There was also a lot of politics involved as French invasion plans of Germany involved moving through Belgium and joining up with the Belgium army.

>what's the Renault FT

Just stop America...

Which is why France has the most impressive military records of all European nations.

Yeah well France took 6 million casualties during the first war for a population of 20 million males.

Somehow twenty years later people weren't looking forward another German invasion.

Anyway France is the only reason you fucks get to wear your own flag. So you're welcome.

She was as much a military commander as James Montgomery was.

They sure as hell invaded two neutral countries, raped Belgium and then invaded France. First to use poisonus gas, flamethrowers, sinked countless civilian ships, bombed Paris and London ect...

Germany can suck a dick.

we?

>Which is why France has the most impressive military records of all European nations.

See. At least refer to a person from last century. Who the fuck cares if your medieval commanders were somewhat decent. You suck at modern warfare

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>Yeah, no. At least try a posting somebody from last century

Like single handely stopping the German advance in France?

Foch was commander in chief of the allies during WWI. Also David Galula.

>Galula has been considered an important theorist by contemporary defence experts.[12][13] Notably, the United States military used his experiences as examples in the context of the Iraq War[14][15][16][17] and he is often quoted in the US Army's Counterinsurgency Manual.[18] Galula's Counterinsurgency Warfare: Theory and Practice is highly suggested reading for students of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College.[19]

>Foch

>spoke French
>educated in France
>officer in the French army
>emperor of France

>not French

So to you anyone leaving outside Paris at the time wasn't French?

I don't even like Napoleon, he fucked us deep in the ass by failing to secure our holdings along the Rhine and had a million French men killed because of his huge ego. Casualties per capita for France were actually higher at the end of the Napoleonic Wars than WW1. We even lost our demographic edge over Britain and German states after those wars.

He also sold the better part of your country for peanutts...

>living not leaving, fuck english sly

They sure as hell weren't thinking about how cucked their countries would become in less than 100 years.

Neither were the Germans. Or the Brits.

Think of all those decent men who died. For nothing other than to give their homelands over to third world immigrants,

>US
>ripping UK for being beat by farmers and outdated weapons
>forgetting vietnam

What has Britain even done in recent history which didn't imply other nation fighting for her? I mean you fled like coward in 1940 while France was taking casualties on the level of WW1. You then sank a French fleet which was cold blooded murder as well as a dirty backstab btw. You barely old ur ground in the Battle of Britain against an enemy whose planes could barely carry the fuel to cross the Channel and back. And then it's pretty much Russia, and then American doing all the heavy lifting.

The French and British got outflanked, that's really all there is to it.

They sure as hell don't win if the BEF and ArFr don't spearhead into Belgium and have their rear completely destroyed.

Had the British and French just held the damn line and left a few divisions near Sedan the Germans would have been completely, utterly fucked.

The Germans infantry was also better equiped and trained during the first world war. It didn't make a difference then... You're just talking out of your ass.

Military analysis. For training and textbooks. We run large scale computer simulations with human input from staff officers.

> Casualties per capita for France were actually higher at the end of the Napoleonic Wars than WW1

You sure about that ? Verdun was a bloody nightmare.

>left alone dealing with this bullshit.
well the french were the ones that pushed all the bullshit into the versailes treaty that made germany go full nazi.

Did you run a simulation where the French blow all of the Meuse crossings and actually have a large defense force in Sedan, the chokepoint for the blitzkrieg?

In my city we had a place that was called "Fochplein" (Foch Square). The name was changed recently because of... well not like actual war crimes or anything but apparently he sent massive waves of soldiers to their deaths on the battlefield, which as far as I'm aware was standard practice during WW1 but people look down on that now or something?

Anyway I used to mess with the international university students here that Fochplein was pronounced like fuck but with an "o" (it's not).

Bullshit.

You didn't pay shit and broke the rules as soon as you signed the damn paper.

You guys would have gone full nazi even if we didn't ask anything.

>French intellectuals

>m-muh Versailles
>m-muh has to pay everything
Fuck you, that's exactly what you did to us in 1871, except we DID pay without bitching about it for all eternity, eventhough it was even more lenient toward you because it was tied to your capacity to pay, whereas you just pillaged us.
Fuck you and your revisionism.

>The name was changed recently because of... well not like actual war crimes or anything but apparently he sent massive waves of soldiers to their deaths on the battlefield
Historical self-flagellating at its finest. Blaming the guy who kept it all together because he had the audacity to not give up and had to make tough calls, with the power of hindsight.

That's not the point..The Germans could have launched a full frontal assault on a wide front, with only infantry, and would still have won. The attack through the Ardennes simply made the fall of France far faster and far more catastrophic.

Even economic analysis, where instead of the French dedicating the resources allocated to building the Maginot line they put the resources into building up modernized mobile forces, tells us the French were still going to lose.

The fact remains, France was simply too weak to resist the Germans in 1940. No amount of "fixing the French military mistakes of 1940" would have altered the outcome, other than the length of the campaign.

Yeah, France had a population of ~30 million in 1800 and the death toll for Napoleon's campaigns are around a million for France alone. Most died starving and freezing during the retreat from Russia.

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It was a trap.

What a load of garbage.

Running toward machine gun and artillery fire sure as hell didn't work during the first world war. It sure as hell wouldn't work against tanks and planes either.

You're one dumb troll.

No, you are the one talking out of your ass.

French infantry doctrine simply stagnated after WW1. In the years after WW1 the Germans developed infantry tactics and junior officer training that put them literally decades ahead of the Allies. We are talking tactics here. The ability to execute command and control with a high degree of efficiency on a company-battalion basis.The Germans could approach a target, plan and execute an attack, regroup, and then attack again far faster than the French formations.They were able to respond to a changing battlefield environment much faster and with far more efficiency. That is what gave the basic German infantry units a huge edge over their French infantry counterparts.

>Military analysis. For training and textbooks. We run large scale computer simulations with human input from staff officers.
Where can you learn this stuff? It sounds so interesting.

Yeah. The Sedan pocket. They last four weeks.Sometimes as long as six.

No.Not a troll. Just very well informed, well educated in military history, and I work in the field of military analysis.

Your comments suggest you subscribe to a school book level of understanding. In which case there seems little point in trying to help you understand the reality of the 1940 campaign. .

IT'S ALL EXPLAINED HERE

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